did abraham reallee existed?

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Galatians

Chapter 4

22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

24 Which things are an Allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.


Allegory:

a poem, play, picture, etc, in which the apparent meaning of the characters and events is used to symbolize a deeper moral or spiritual meaning

the representation of spiritual, moral, or other abstract meanings through the actions of fictional characters that serve as symbols.

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Galatians

Chapter 4

22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

24 Which things are an Allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.


Allegory:

a poem, play, picture, etc, in which the apparent meaning of the characters and events is used to symbolize a deeper moral or spiritual meaning

the representation of spiritual, moral, or other abstract meanings through the actions of fictional characters that serve as symbols.

da bible sed abraham iss an allegoree. in other wurds, abraham did not existed

iff abraham didd not reallee exist, tink of da implicatsham cah iff abraham did not existed dem awl dem biblical characters fram da line aff abraham neva existed

deep deep ting

wat oonnoo tink bout diss?

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One perspective....

Are an allegory. May be regarded allegorically, or as illustrating great principles in regard to the condition of slaves and freemen; and may therefore be used to illustrate the effect of servitude to the Law of Moses compared with the freedom of the gospel. He does not mean to say that the historical record of Moses was not true, or was merely allegorical; nor does he mean to say that Moses meant this to be an allegory, or that he intended that it should be applied to the exact purpose to which Paul applied it. No such design is apparent in the narrative of Moses, and it is evident that he had no such intention. Nor can it be shown that Paul means to be understood as saying that Moses had any such design, or that his account was not a record of a plain historical fact. Paul uses it as he would any other historical fact that would illustrate the same principle, and he makes no more use of it than the Saviour did in his parables of real or fictitious narratives to illustrate an important truth, or than we always do of real history to illustrate an important principle.


The word which is used here by Paul (ἀλληγορέω allēgoreō) is derived from ἄλλος allos, another, and ἀγορεύω agoreuō, to speak, to speak openly or in public - Passow. It properly means to speak anything otherwise than it is understood (Passow); to speak allegorically; to allegorize. The word does not occur elsewhere in the New Testament, nor is it found in the Septuagint, though it occurs often in the classic writers. An allegory is a continued metaphor; see Blair’s Lectures, xv. It is a figurative sentence or discourse, in which the principal object is described by another subject resembling it in its properties and circumstances - Webster. Allegories are in words what hieroglyphics are in painting. The distinction between a parable and an allegory is said to be, that a parable is a supposed history to illustrate some important truth, as the parable of the good Samaritan, etc.; an allegory is based on real facts.

It is not probable, however, that this distinction is always carefully observed. Sometimes the allegory is based on the resemblance to some inanimate object, as in the beautiful allegory in Ps. 80. Allegories, parables, and metaphors abound in the writings of the East. Truth was more easily treasured up in this way, and could be better preserved and transmitted when it was connected with an interesting story. The lively fancy of the people of the East also led them to this mode of communicating truth; though a love for it is probably founded in human nature. The best sustained allegory of any considerable length in the world is, doubtless, Bunyan’s Pilgrim’s Progress; and yet this is among the most popular of all books. The ancient Jews were exceedingly fond of allegories, and even turned a considerable part of the Old Testament into allegory. The ancient Greek philosophers also were fond of this mode of teaching.

http://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bnb/view.cgi?bk=47&ch=4

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One perspective....

Are an allegory. May be regarded allegorically, or as illustrating great principles in regard to the condition of slaves and freemen; and may therefore be used to illustrate the effect of servitude to the Law of Moses compared with the freedom of the gospel. He does not mean to say that the historical record of Moses was not true, or was merely allegorical; nor does he mean to say that Moses meant this to be an allegory, or that he intended that it should be applied to the exact purpose to which Paul applied it. No such design is apparent in the narrative of Moses, and it is evident that he had no such intention. Nor can it be shown that Paul means to be understood as saying that Moses had any such design, or that his account was not a record of a plain historical fact. Paul uses it as he would any other historical fact that would illustrate the same principle, and he makes no more use of it than the Saviour did in his parables of real or fictitious narratives to illustrate an important truth, or than we always do of real history to illustrate an important principle.


The word which is used here by Paul (ἀλληγορέω allēgoreō) is derived from ἄλλος allos, another, and ἀγορεύω agoreuō, to speak, to speak openly or in public - Passow. It properly means to speak anything otherwise than it is understood (Passow); to speak allegorically; to allegorize. The word does not occur elsewhere in the New Testament, nor is it found in the Septuagint, though it occurs often in the classic writers. An allegory is a continued metaphor; see Blair’s Lectures, xv. It is a figurative sentence or discourse, in which the principal object is described by another subject resembling it in its properties and circumstances - Webster. Allegories are in words what hieroglyphics are in painting. The distinction between a parable and an allegory is said to be, that a parable is a supposed history to illustrate some important truth, as the parable of the good Samaritan, etc.; an allegory is based on real facts.

It is not probable, however, that this distinction is always carefully observed. Sometimes the allegory is based on the resemblance to some inanimate object, as in the beautiful allegory in Ps. 80. Allegories, parables, and metaphors abound in the writings of the East. Truth was more easily treasured up in this way, and could be better preserved and transmitted when it was connected with an interesting story. The lively fancy of the people of the East also led them to this mode of communicating truth; though a love for it is probably founded in human nature. The best sustained allegory of any considerable length in the world is, doubtless, Bunyan’s Pilgrim’s Progress; and yet this is among the most popular of all books. The ancient Jews were exceedingly fond of allegories, and even turned a considerable part of the Old Testament into allegory. The ancient Greek philosophers also were fond of this mode of teaching.



http://www.studylight.org/commentari...cgi?bk=47&ch=4

wat historical recard aff moses dem chattinn bout? wat historical recard aff abraham dem chattinn bout?

bible sed allegoree ann iff deer iss no definite historical recard den itt must be made upp. da qwestian iss y dem keep pushinn da allegoree as realitee

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Galatians

Chapter 4

22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

24 Which things are an Allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.


Allegory:

a poem, play, picture, etc, in which the apparent meaning of the characters and events is used to symbolize a deeper moral or spiritual meaning

the representation of spiritual, moral, or other abstract meanings through the actions of fictional characters that serve as symbols.

Even so it does not mean that Abraham did not exist, just that his life story can be used to teach a spiritual fact. I think what Paul was trying to say is that we are all "Sons of God" and No longer "servants of God" . In other words he was using a true life event to ILLUSTRATE a spiritual fact

The scripture in question can be read as follows;- GOD'S WORD® Translation
I'm going to use these historical events as an illustration. The women illustrate two arrangements. The one woman, Hagar, is the arrangement made on Mount Sinai. Her children are born into slavery.

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Even so it does not mean that Abraham did not exist, just that his life story can be used to teach a spiritual fact. I think what Paul was trying to say is that we are all "Sons of God" and No longer "servants of God" . In other words he was using a true life event to ILLUSTRATE a spiritual fact

The scripture in question can be read as follows;- GOD'S WORD® Translation
I'm going to use these historical events as an illustration. The women illustrate two arrangements. The one woman, Hagar, is the arrangement made on Mount Sinai. Her children are born into slavery.

allegory meaninn : the representation of spiritual, moral, or other abstract meanings through the actions of fictional characters that serve as symbols.

can yuh prove abraham existed? wat iss da basis aff yuh beleef dat abraham eva existed?

paul allegedlee sed "Which things are an Allegory?"

wen christians cyaan prove sintinn dem turn to dem interpretation aff was dem tink da person was tryinn fe sey natt wat imm actuallee sed

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allegory meaninn : the representation of spiritual, moral, or other abstract meanings through the actions of fictional characters that serve as symbols.

That is one meaning there are other meanings

allegories.a story in which the characters and events are symbols that stand for ideas about human life or for a political or historical situation
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/allegory

can yuh prove abraham existed? wat iss da basis aff yuh beleef dat abraham eva existed?

It depends on what you accept as proof.

For Starters Three major religions says he did exist.

paul allegedlee sed "Which things are an Allegory?"

I have already address that query or statement.

wen christians cyaan prove sintinn dem turn to dem interpretation aff was dem tink da person was tryinn fe sey natt wat imm actuallee sed

I am not a (Westernize) Christian.

Nor Am I twisting anything, I have given you what one bible version said and you have provided what another bible version says.

What we have are versions and interpretations that all differ slightly, to arrive at a more closer approximation of what Paul was saying we will need to look at the Greek and or Hebrew script.