Married Popes

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Popes who were married

St. Peter, Apostle
St. Felix III 483-492 (2 children)
St. Hormidas 514-523 (1 son)
St. Silverus (Antonia) 536-537
Hadrian II 867-872 (1 daughter)
Clement IV 1265-1268 (2 daughters)

Felix V 1439-1449 (1 son)

Is this a good thing?

http://futurechurch.org/brief-history-of-celibacy-in-catholic-church

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A Brief History of Celibacy in the
Catholic Church

First Century
Peter, the first pope, and the apostles that Jesus chose were, for the most part, married men. The New Testament implies that women presided at eucharistic meals in the early church.
Second and Third Century
Age of Gnosticism: light and spirit are good, darkness and material things are evil. A person cannot be married and be perfect. However, most priests were married.
Fourth Century
306-Council of Elvira, Spain, decree #43: a priest who sleeps with his wife the night before Mass will lose his job.
325-Council of Nicea: decreed that after ordination a priest could not marry. Proclaimed the Nicene Creed.

Yes this is why I though marriage for priests was banned quite early.

385-Pope Siricius left his wife in order to become pope. Decreed that priests may no longer sleep with their wives.

Fifth Century
401-St. Augustine wrote, Nothing is so powerful in drawing the spirit of a man downwards as the caresses of a woman.
Sixth Century
567-2nd Council of Tours: any cleric found in bed with his wife would be excommunicated for a year and reduced to the lay state.
580-Pope Pelagius II: his policy was not to bother married priests as long as they did not hand over church property to wives or children.
590-604-Pope Gregory the Great said that all sexual desire is sinful in itself (meaning that sexual desire is intrinsically evil?).
Seventh Century
France: documents show that the majority of priest were married.
Eighth Century
St. Boniface reported to the pope that in Germany almost no bishop or priest was celibate.
Ninth Century
836-Council of Aix-la-Chapelle openly admitted that abortions and infanticide took place in convents and monasteries to cover up activities of uncelibate clerics.
St. Ulrich, a holy bishop, argued from scripture and common sense that the only way to purify the church from the worst excesses of celibacy was to permit priests to marry.
Eleventh Century
1045-
Benedict IX dispensed himself from celibacy and resigned in order to marry.
1074-Pope Gregory VII said anyone to be ordained must first pledge celibacy: priests [must] first escape from the clutches of their wives.

Twelfth Century
1123-Pope Calistus II: First Lateran Council decreed that clerical marriages were invalid.
1139-Pope Innocent II: Second Lateran Council confirmed the previous councils decree.
Fifteenth Century
Transition; 50% of priests are married and accepted by the people.
Sixteenth Century
1545-63-Council of Trent states that celibacy and virginity are superior to marriage.

Clearly there were a lot of inconsistencies.

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I think priests and popes should be allowed to marry.

[blugiant]

I think priests and popes should be allowed to marry.

so no vow aff provertee fe priest ann da katoolick church wood ave pay dem

[Reggae plus]

Hey Jesus...the REAL Jesus...was married. As it sits the vatican, because of MANY [likely close to...if not a majority who inhabit the walls] is, at the very least, a den of iniquity if not a haven for perverts and child molestors.

Whos cares what they do in regard to marriage? For many...if they weren't hiding behind their robes...they'd be trying to survive in prison where REAL justice would soon be theirs. When they hide these 'guys' and protect them...they're ALL guilty. Right on up to and including the 'Pope'.

Forgive me father...for YOU have sinned.

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Hey Jesus...the REAL Jesus...was married.

No he wasn't.

As it sits the vatican, because of MANY [likely close to...if not a majority who inhabit the walls] is, at the very least, a den of iniquity if not a haven for perverts and child molestors.

Whos cares what they do in regard to marriage? For many...if they weren't hiding behind their robes...they'd be trying to survive in prison where REAL justice would soon be theirs. When they hide these 'guys' and protect them...they're ALL guilty. Right on up to and including the 'Pope'.

Forgive me father...for YOU have sinned.

Don't you think they would be less inclined to be perverts if they were married.

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so no vow aff provertee fe priest ann da katoolick church wood ave pay dem

Don't they get paid?

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Don't they get paid?

yes dem gitt paid butt many aff dem dipp inna colletsham baskets

dem use feffii tekk vow aff pavertee

[Reggae plus]

Yes...Jesus was married. They had to lie about that or he would've appeared to be just a regular guy. How could that work for their purposes? It couldn't, wouldn't and didn't.

No ... marriage will never save a pervert...or his victims. They're not ALL that way...just MANY of them. That they collectively hide and protect them though...well...THAT is just plain 100% unacceptable. It is, in fact, criminal. And it proves uncategorically that what they profess to preach is just so much B.S. And that is only a scratch on the surface of who they are collectively. It ain't about God, Jesus or trying to live like a saint. It's all and only about the bottom line. Always was...always will be until people STOP giving them their time, respect and especially money.

Lock 'em down.