"there are those who are in fact moral, just, and ethical"

[Leddih]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Leddih</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I agree. One is simply &quot;not spoiling the child&quot; while the other is the cruel process of natural selection. Many of these atrocities have been committed in the name of religion but what has stopped many of them from proceeding their final cruel resolution? Nature? Evolution? Man's natural humanity to man?
Please note that I am not one of those arguing that Intelligent Design and Evolution are mutually exclusive. </div></div>

well I think it is clear that while people may be immoral and unethical, there are those who are in fact moral, just, and ethical.

at the greatest nexus point, those who are able to transcend their localism, and achieve the great crossing over into the kind of understanding in which duality breaks down- which is actually the great journey on which myth is predicated but sometimes misses the mark- these are the people who have attained and are informed by our greatest spiritual wisdom.

a belief in a literal god is not strictly relevant to this process, and in fact, can be quite detrimental when people start, as Joseph Campbell would say, eat their menus while thinking they are dining on the fine fare there represented.

evolution certainly assists epicurus' formulation of the great logical problem of the existence of evil.

one of the strongest weapons against evil is empathy and wisdom- the discernment that comes from the disciplined mind to recognize at once that some things are evil on the micro level, and some things are 'evil' because they are. Such as the so called 'natural' evils. These can only truly be personified as evil if there is indeed a claim for an all powerful, creative deity. And if the claim states for this being to be benevolent, moral, and just. </div></div>

Moral, just, ethical, empathetic, wise. Is there a theory that these traits are genetically predetermined?

[rudemonk]

Re: &quot;there are those who are in fact moral, just, and ethica

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Leddih</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Leddih</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I agree. One is simply &quot;not spoiling the child&quot; while the other is the cruel process of natural selection. Many of these atrocities have been committed in the name of religion but what has stopped many of them from proceeding their final cruel resolution? Nature? Evolution? Man's natural humanity to man?
Please note that I am not one of those arguing that Intelligent Design and Evolution are mutually exclusive. </div></div>

well I think it is clear that while people may be immoral and unethical, there are those who are in fact moral, just, and ethical.

at the greatest nexus point, those who are able to transcend their localism, and achieve the great crossing over into the kind of understanding in which duality breaks down- which is actually the great journey on which myth is predicated but sometimes misses the mark- these are the people who have attained and are informed by our greatest spiritual wisdom.

a belief in a literal god is not strictly relevant to this process, and in fact, can be quite detrimental when people start, as Joseph Campbell would say, eat their menus while thinking they are dining on the fine fare there represented.

evolution certainly assists epicurus' formulation of the great logical problem of the existence of evil.

one of the strongest weapons against evil is empathy and wisdom- the discernment that comes from the disciplined mind to recognize at once that some things are evil on the micro level, and some things are 'evil' because they are. Such as the so called 'natural' evils. These can only truly be personified as evil if there is indeed a claim for an all powerful, creative deity. And if the claim states for this being to be benevolent, moral, and just. </div></div>

Moral, just, ethical, empathetic, wise. Is there a theory that these traits are genetically predetermined? </div></div>

Yes. Of course they can also be learned.

Study's have been done and there is evidence to suggest that animals can be altruistic in nature, which means they do 'good' things for others without thought of personal gain or reward from such action.