The Most Hated Man in History: Judas Iscariot and his Gospel

[rudemonk]

In one of those stories that can only be referred to "nuts", an ancient manuscript sat in the collection of an antiquities collector/dealer, out in a safe deposit box on Long Island, NY.

Nobody really knew what they were looking at, and the document sat there, unprotected, and basically dissolving after the collector was unsuccessful in selling it.

It's pretty amazing it wasn't lost, and what did it turn out to be? An early Christian gospel account, from none other than, Judas Iscariot.

Judas occupies an interesting position- at once cursed and reviled in the Mythology, yet at the same time he is the lynchpin upon which the great sacrifice occurs...he had a part to play, that he 'had' to play.

So while that back and forth gets hashed out, let's tune in to this special about the book ascribed to be his version of how things went down.
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[foolya]

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I don't think he's hated in our time as most people no longer adhere to religious standard. Personally, it's hog wash that he wrote that book. I bet it was written by the Roman Catholic in Rome\Alexander.

[neutral]

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The gospel according to judas,...Lol !


Why not though,if one was to use the other gospels as an indication of how christianity has been sold to us down the ages,then we can see that it should make sense that judas also wrote gospels,...or there should have been gospels by him similar to the other disciples,...but because this guy supposedly betrayed jesus,HIS effort seems to have been mysteriously lost......we are to believe that the other guys wrote stuff,but he didnt because he was the bad guy,so how come he didnt wrote anything before he supposedly snitched on the boss.

[neutral]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: foolya</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personally, it's hog wash that he wrote that book. </div></div>


Personally I think it`s hogwash that any of them wrote anything,the whole jesus story myth is hogwash,it`s just a simple story of a guy who opposed collonial rule by the romans,but advocated peaceful means rather than force to evict them,the romans thought he was a bit of a trouble maker,they tried him and crucified him,along with the other troublemakers,..that should have been the end of it,and this guy Esus should not have been afforded any more importance than any of the other rabble rousers and petty thieves that the romans crucified that day.

Over the years the story has been embellished,exaggerated,manipulated,and stretched,to promote christianity to the gullible and the weak.

[Wahalla]

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If memoy seves me correctly I beleive he says he was the right hand man and he did it on the intrsuction of Jesus who wanted to start a general up rising and was delusional as to the fact that god would smite the Romans on behalf of the righetous...

[rudemonk]

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IF he were the author, it certainly makes some other gospel claims 'interesting.'

such as his suicide.

how many other documents will come to light like this.

[rudemonk]

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<span style="font-weight: bold">The Gospel of Judas is a Gnostic gospel purported to document conversations between the apostle Judas Iscariot and Jesus Christ. The document is not claimed to have been written by Judas himself, but rather by Gnostic followers of Jesus. It exists in an early fourth-century Coptic text, though it has been proposed, but not proven, that the text is a translation of an earlier Greek version. The Gospel of Judas is probably from no earlier than the second century, since it contains theology that is not represented before the second half of the second century, and since its introduction and epilogue assume the reader is familiar with the canonical Gospels. The original Coptic document has been carbon dated to AD 280, plus or minus 50 years.

According to the canonical Gospels of the New Testament, (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John), Judas betrayed Jesus to Jerusalem's Temple authorities, which handed Jesus over to the prefect Pontius Pilate, representative of the occupying Roman Empire, for crucifixion. The Gospel of Judas, on the other hand, portrays Judas in a very different perspective than do the Gospels of the New Testament, according to a preliminary translation made in early 2006 by the National Geographic Society: the Gospel of Judas appears to interpret Judas's act not as betrayal, but rather as an act of obedience to the instructions of Jesus. This assumption is taken on the basis that Jesus required a second agent to set in motion a course of events which he had planned. In that sense Judas acted as a catalyst. The action of Judas, then, was a pivotal point which interconnected a series of simultaneous pre-orchestrated events.
This portrayal seems to conform to a notion current in some forms of Gnosticism, that the human form is a spiritual prison, and that Judas thus served Christ by helping to release Christ's spirit from its physical constraints. The action of Judas allowed him to do that which he could not do directly. The Gospel of Judas does not claim that the other disciples knew gnostic teachings. On the contrary, it asserts that the disciples had not learned the true Gospel, which Jesus taught only to Judas Iscariot.</span>

[rudemonk]

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[SmoothOperator]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IF he were the author, it certainly makes some other gospel claims 'interesting.'

such as his suicide.

how many other documents will come to light like this. </div></div>


Well that depends on which account you believe. Matthew says in Matthew 27 that Judas after betraying Jesus went out and hanged himself. Luke however in Acts 1 says that Judas used the 30 pieces of silver to buy a field where he presumably tripped, fell headlong and his body burst open. Fundamentalists twist themselves into knots trying to reconcile the two accounts. So much for biblical infallibility.

[rudemonk]

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well I think the whole Judas thing certainly blows a few theological holes in things- which one would expect to see as things mythologize.

I mean, if it's all part of a grand plan and Judas was doing God's will according to that plan, how do you rub the guy out and curse him off. <span style="font-style: italic">Somebody</span> had to trigger things. The problem which is plain as day to see is when you start deifying Jesus and making it part and parcel of his mythologized salvation mission. Some gospel authors saw this and gave the poor guy an out by being able to blame it actually on Satan. But Judas still gets deaded.

[f0rTyLeGz]

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Didn't this same conundrum come into play in the Reformation with the debate over grace and predestination? ... or free will and God controls everything?

Matthew 10:29
Are not two sparrows sold for a penny ? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father.

[neutral]

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Yeah,seems like poor ole judas was the original fall guy,I mean,the guy is set up to do a job,and unknown to him he has no option but to carry out the job as he is being manipulated by the boss of boss who has magical powers,his success at the job means that all mankind will be saved,and bada bim everyone is happy.
The guy should have been a hero,but instead ends up being called a bum,a low down snitch....and no one at the top fess up that he was just a patsy in the whole thing,and should have been a made man,instead he got rid of the loot whacks himself and didnt even get an open casket.

[eloquor]

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Lost in this discussion is the fact that he was one of The Twelve. Did he have any other contributions to the understanding of the boss man, or was this just a &quot;If I Did It&quot; type book?

[rudemonk]

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pt 3

the cave which held the gospel may have been id'd.

in pt 2, we see revealed the stunner- Yashua telling Judas his mission.

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