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Was Jesus a virgin? If so or not, what does that imply for the Christian faith?
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Re: The 30 Year Old Virgin?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Quodlibet2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Was Jesus a virgin? If so or not, what does that imply for the Christian faith? </div></div>
Off the top of my head, I don't think it really mattered, since the four Gospels gave only an account of the latter part of His life. In other words accounts of His life from birth to age 12; and then until his ministry are missing.
The question becomes if he had a woman/women, where would he get time to devote to accomplishing what His Father sent Him to earth to fulfill? -
Re: The 30 Year Old Virgin?
no he was poking mary madiliene according to Dan Brown....Comment
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Re: The 30 Year Old Virgin?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Quodlibet2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Was Jesus a virgin? If so or not, what does that imply for the Christian faith? </div></div>
it's certainly entertaining to speculate, especially if there were kids, as we see from dan brown, as walhalla references, and many other sects and 'scholars' who took up such ideas.Comment
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Re: The 30 Year Old Virgin?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Quodlibet2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Was Jesus a virgin? If so or not, what does that imply for the Christian faith? </div></div>
Off the top of my head, I don't think it really mattered, since the four Gospels gave only an account of the latter part of His life. In other words accounts of His life from birth to age 12; and then until his ministry are missing.
The question becomes if he had a woman/women, where would he get time to devote to accomplishing what His Father sent Him to earth to fulfill? </div></div>
How about this - we are taught that he faced the common challenges of those he came to save, such as hunger, pride, fear, anger, death.
The topic would therefore query the implication that either that he did not face that challenge, or that having sex outside of marriage was not a challenge...Comment
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Re: The 30 Year Old Virgin?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Quodlibet</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Quodlibet2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Was Jesus a virgin? If so or not, what does that imply for the Christian faith? </div></div>
Off the top of my head, I don't think it really mattered, since the four Gospels gave only an account of the latter part of His life. In other words accounts of His life from birth to age 12; and then until his ministry are missing.
The question becomes if he had a woman/women, where would he get time to devote to accomplishing what His Father sent Him to earth to fulfill? </div></div>
How about this - we are taught that he faced the common challenges of those he came to save, such as hunger, pride, fear, anger, death.
The topic would therefore query the implication that either that he did not face that challenge, or that having sex outside of marriage was not a challenge... </div></div>
Of course Jesus, the Christ came to earth as man and would be expected to face common challenges of the ordinary man...but this we must remember, that in his "human state" He was still endowed with supernatural powers to overcome anything and everything that the world presented if He so chose..
I'm sure that he could "get any woman he want" if faced with that, but again, we must remember that "He was about His Father's business," that was His primary Mission for coming. Having a family is time consuming and needs in many cases undivided attention...while He could juggle both with His eyes "closed", it would take away from the real reason for his "Mission" and give the naysayers something else to holler about.Comment
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Re: The 30 Year Old Virgin?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Of course Jesus, the Christ came to earth as man and would be expected to face common challenges of the ordinary man...but this we must remember, that in his "human state" He was still endowed with supernatural powers to overcome anything and everything that the world presented if He so chose..
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That is a contradiction - <span style="font-weight: bold">facing common challenges with uncommon abilities</span> does not equate to facing those same challenges AS an ordinary man.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I'm sure that he could "get any woman he want" if faced with that, but again, we must remember that "He was about His Father's business," that was His primary Mission for coming. Having a family is time consuming and needs in many cases undivided attention...while He could juggle both with His eyes "closed", it would take away from the real reason for his "Mission" and give the naysayers something else to holler about. </div></div>
Again, there is a difference between <span style="font-weight: bold">getting any woman he wanted</span>, and actually having <span style="font-weight: bold">the urge to want</span> any woman he could get. The difference is similar to someone rich who was always able to eat any meal they wished, being contrasted to someone enduring hunger and the temptations associated with that need.Comment
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Re: The 30 Year Old Virgin?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Quodlibet</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Of course Jesus, the Christ came to earth as man and would be expected to face common challenges of the ordinary man...but this we must remember, that in his "human state" He was still endowed with supernatural powers to overcome anything and everything that the world presented if He so chose..
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That is a contradiction - <span style="font-weight: bold">facing common challenges with uncommon abilities</span> does not equate to facing those same challenges AS an ordinary man.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I'm sure that he could "get any woman he want" if faced with that, but again, we must remember that "He was about His Father's business," that was His primary Mission for coming. Having a family is time consuming and needs in many cases undivided attention...while He could juggle both with His eyes "closed", it would take away from the real reason for his "Mission" and give the naysayers something else to holler about. </div></div>
Again, there is a difference between <span style="font-weight: bold">getting any woman he wanted</span>, and actually having <span style="font-weight: bold">the urge to want</span> any woman he could get. The difference is similar to someone rich who was always able to eat any meal they wished, being contrasted to someone enduring hunger and the temptations associated with that need. </div></div>
We will have to agree to disagree on this...these are just my POV's...as far as I'm concerned, the question in and of itself is blasphemous.Comment
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Re: The 30 Year Old Virgin?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Quodlibet</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Of course Jesus, the Christ came to earth as man and would be expected to face common challenges of the ordinary man...but this we must remember, that in his "human state" He was still endowed with supernatural powers to overcome anything and everything that the world presented if He so chose..
</div></div>
That is a contradiction - <span style="font-weight: bold">facing common challenges with uncommon abilities</span> does not equate to facing those same challenges AS an ordinary man.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I'm sure that he could "get any woman he want" if faced with that, but again, we must remember that "He was about His Father's business," that was His primary Mission for coming. Having a family is time consuming and needs in many cases undivided attention...while He could juggle both with His eyes "closed", it would take away from the real reason for his "Mission" and give the naysayers something else to holler about. </div></div>
Again, there is a difference between <span style="font-weight: bold">getting any woman he wanted</span>, and actually having <span style="font-weight: bold">the urge to want</span> any woman he could get. The difference is similar to someone rich who was always able to eat any meal they wished, being contrasted to someone enduring hunger and the temptations associated with that need. </div></div>
We will have to agree to disagree on this...these are just my POV's...as far as I'm concerned, the question in and of itself is blasphemous. </div></div>
That is regrettable. I ensured that my language was neither salacious nor inflammatory.
According to my quick review, blasphemy is considered:
1. impious utterance or action concerning God or sacred things.
2. In Judaism - the act of cursing or reviling God; or the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton (YHVH) in the original, now forbidden manner instead of using a substitute pronunciation such as Adonai.
3. Theology. the crime of assuming to oneself the rights or qualities of God.
4. irreverent behavior toward anything held sacred, priceless, etc.: He uttered blasphemies against life itself.
It seems to me that if part of the proof of Jesus' divinity is attached to a virgin birth - then clearly it is neither offensive nor blasphemous to discuss it from that point of view. Why would it be offensive to discuss from this point of view?
Secondly, we spend quite a bit of time in the church discussing various aspects of sexual conduct (fornication, adultery, homosexuality) - if Jesus is our exemplar of appropriate conduct, how can it be blasphemous to enquire about his own challenges with the topic?
As you can see, not only do I believe I conducted myself in a respectful manner, I also believe it is a reasonable question, as all the major challenges faced by Jesus are used as examples for our own struggles.
In Matt 4v1-3, he faces hunger; Verses 5-6 he faces the sowing of doubt about his divinity and challenges his ego; 8-9 he faces the challenges of greed.
In Hebrews 2:18 & 4:15 we have references to Jesus being challenged with the same moral challenges of man - so how can this discussion about what we are considering a moral challenge of man be blasphemous?
Finally, if believers are unable to process and discuss questions such as these from the relative comfort of a computer screen, how can that believer hope to discuss or answer such questions when posed by the unbeliever in a live setting?
<span style="font-style: italic">"Come now, let us reason together"</span>
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I wonder if I had posted some inflammatory pictures if I would have gotten a better discussion out of this thread?Comment
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