Life everlasting

[f0rTyLeGz]

Re: Life everlasting

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think a very strong case can be made that concepts of the afterlife developed from man's grappling with sleep, and the manifestations of the subconscious mind- in your dreams you are not in control of what comes to the mind...

as they say, sleep is the cousin of death, and sleep is where the divine speaks. </div></div>
I can understand that... I guess I think maybe concepts of the afterlife may come from having a voice in our heads. We can imagine our bodies turning to dust, but where does this voice of me go?

[rudemonk]

Re: Life everlasting

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: f0rTyLeGz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think a very strong case can be made that concepts of the afterlife developed from man's grappling with sleep, and the manifestations of the subconscious mind- in your dreams you are not in control of what comes to the mind...

as they say, sleep is the cousin of death, and sleep is where the divine speaks. </div></div>
I can understand that... I guess I think maybe concepts of the afterlife may come from having a voice in our heads. We can imagine our bodies turning to dust, but where does this voice of me go? </div></div>

exactly- 'you' are not in control in your dream state you receive from 'beyond' so because your ego is subsumed into the unconscious and no longer in control there must be something outside of you else where does the dream message and world come from, who is it's author and steward and why does it use this medium to deliver it's revelations...on top of this the dream state is where we hash out the personal myth.

campbell famously phrased it: the myth is the public dream, the dream is the personal myth.

[f0rTyLeGz]

Re: Life everlasting

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">exactly- 'you' are not in control in your dream state you receive from 'beyond' so because your ego is subsumed into the unconscious and no longer in control there must be something outside of you else where does the dream message and world come from, who is it's author and steward and why does it use this medium to deliver it's revelations...on top of this the dream state is where we hash out the personal myth.

campbell famously phrased it: the myth is the public dream, the dream is the personal myth. </div></div>
nice... Can you imagine that there must have been a first dream, and then at some point there was language that went deep enough to share dreams? Then quickly there were folks who knew what your dreams meant... and probably had very special dreams of their own?

[rudemonk]

Re: Life everlasting

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: f0rTyLeGz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: monk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">exactly- 'you' are not in control in your dream state you receive from 'beyond' so because your ego is subsumed into the unconscious and no longer in control there must be something outside of you else where does the dream message and world come from, who is it's author and steward and why does it use this medium to deliver it's revelations...on top of this the dream state is where we hash out the personal myth.

campbell famously phrased it: the myth is the public dream, the dream is the personal myth. </div></div>
nice... Can you imagine that there must have been a first dream, and then at some point there was language that went deep enough to share dreams? Then quickly there were folks who knew what your dreams meant... and probably had very special dreams of their own?
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i don't think there can be any doubt about it- just begin by comparing what emanates from the unconscious mind- in mythologies there are only like, 5 basic themes and stories...this is why it is very easy for myths to overlap and share materials, religious systems are hardly ever unique but are mostly derivative.

then you have the really freaky stuff when actual numeric progressions begin showing up, like 432.

check this out:

“Returning to the Bible, we find that, in Genesis 5, ten antediluvian patriarchs are named from Adam to Noah; the first, of course, being Adam, who, as we read, “when he had lived 130 years became the father of a son… and named him Seth.” Continuing: “When Seth had lived 105 years, he became the father of Enosh…” And likewise: “When Enosh had lived 90 years, he became the father of Kenon…. When Kenon had lived 70 years, he became the father of Mahalalel,” and so on, to, “When Lamech had lived 182 years, he became the father of a son, and called his name Noah….” Following all of which, we learn from Gen. 7:6 that “Noah was 600 years old when the flood of waters came upon the earth.”
Berossos Genesis 5 and 7:6
Antediluvian Kings Years of reign Antediluvian Patriarchs Years to begetting of sons
1 Aloros 36,000 Adam 130
2 Alaparos 10,800 Seth 105
3 Amelon 46,800 Enosh 90
4 Ammenon 43,200 Kenon 70
5 Megalaros 64,800 Mahalalel 65
6 Daonos 36,000 Jared 162
7 Eudoraches 64,800 Enoch 65
8 Amempsinos 36,000 Methuselah 187
9 Opartes 28,800 Lamech 182
10 Xisuthros 64,800 Noah, yrs to flood 600

[=Ziusudra] 432,000 1.656
Between the totals of Berossos and the compilers of Genesis 5-7, there is apparently an irreconcilable difference… both totals contain 72 as a factor, this being the number of years required in the precessin of the equinoxes for an advance of 1 degree along the zodiac. 432,000 divided by 72 = 6,000, while 1656 divided by 72 = 23. So that the relationship is of 6,000 to 23. but in the Jewish calendar, one year is reckoned as of 365 days, which number in 23 years, plus the 5 leap-year days of that period, amounts to 8,400 days, or 1,200 seven-day weeks; which last sum, multiplied by 72, to find the number of seven-day weeks in 23 x 72 = 1,656 years, yields 1,200 x 72 = 86,400, which is twice 43,200.

“So that in the Book of Genesis two distinct theologies have been now revealed. the first is that of the usually recognized, personal Creator-god of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who saw that “the wickedness of man was great in the earth… and was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, ‘I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the ground, man and beast and creeping things and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them’” (Gen 6:5-7). Whereas the other, very different theology has been hidden all these years beneath the elaborately disguised number 86,400, which can only be a covert reference to the mathematically governed Gentile cosmology… of an unending series of cycles of world appearances anddissolutions, the latter following inevitably upon the former, not because of any god’s disappointment in his creation, but as night follows day.”



the oldest written story known:
Gilgamesh &amp; the Slaying of the Bull
the Original Superhero

The Antediluvian Kings who correspond to the Bible wereSumerian whose central myth was of the hero king Gilgamesh. Set in what is now Iraq, the Epic of Gilgamesh has its origin in the Sumerian era c.3,000 BCE. What has come down to us are various clay tablet fragments written around 1,800-1,600 BCE onwards in the Akkadian cuniform script, after the fragments of his story were excavated in 1853 at Nineveh from the library of the last great Assyrian king, Ashurbanipal, who reigned in the 7th century BC. As an epic, Gilgamesh contains both historical and mythic elements and is meant to be interpreted on several levels. The Hero's journey or monomyth described by Joseph Campbell is the basic pattern found in this epic like many central narratives from around the world as Gilgamesh experiences a call to adventure before embarking on a road of trials as he seeks to achieve the goal or &quot;boon.
Major characters are those of the prominent constellations. The Sun God appears throughout the Epic in a leading role. The sun god tells him that he will never find eternal life. Gilgamesh comes to a woman of wine who asks him why he is searching for the wind. He explains that he is afraid of death, and she suggests that he eat, drink, dance, and enjoy life. A Raven flys off from the flood ark without returning, Gilgamesh must pass a gate guarded by scorpion men, Dreams, temptations, an alter ego rival who becomes a loyal brother, civilization and the separation of the human from the divine, the importance of death to life also play a role in communicating the evolutionary unfolding of our spiritual nature. Unable to find immortality, a magical herb is offered as a consolation; but the serpent that seems able to rejuvenate itself by shedding its skin steals this away from humanity.[i]

---Joseph Campbell The Inner Reaches Of Outer Space

[f0rTyLeGz]

Re: Life everlasting

Fascinating monk. Numbers are the fixed stars in the Great Dictionary of All Words.

Before the discovery that the most distant galaxies are rushing away at even higher speeds than local galaxies... seeming to prove that there will be no Big Crunch, I figured that in an infinte number of Big Bang + Big Crunch + Big Bang we would live this exact life an infinite number of times.

[rudemonk]

Re: Life everlasting

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: f0rTyLeGz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Fascinating monk. Numbers are the fixed stars in the Great Dictionary of All Words.

Before the discovery that the most distant galaxies are rushing away at even higher speeds than local galaxies... seeming to prove that there will be no Big Crunch, I figured that in an infinte number of Big Bang + Big Crunch + Big Bang we would live this exact life an infinite number of times. </div></div>

now you are getting into physics lol.

but yeah the numbers- which are as you note based off astronomical observations, are pretty staggering in their implications since they cut through so many disparate mythological systems- they can't be explained by Golden Bough interdependent experiential development...they touch american, aboriginal, african, asian, mesopotamian, even norse myths.