Guadeloupe

[rufian]

This one is spiritual
Depending on which view I have heard quite a few other islanders refer to Guadeloupeans as pro-colonial. This view I never understood because Guadeloupe was the place to be feared in Obeah and Voodoo terms. If somebody said that they were going to Guadeloupe everybody paid attention.

Interestingly, those place that seem to have some strong colonial(non-African) presence have maintained a high degree of African culture, like Cuba, Dominican Republic.

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Nothing in African can top this.
Retention and modernization altogether, when I first saw this mas, the steps were fused with zouk, now I see the Jamaican spin.

[Peasie]

Re: Guadeloupe

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Depending on which view I have heard quite a few other islanders refer to Guadeloupeans as pro-colonial. This view I never understood because Guadeloupe was the place to be feared in Obeah and Voodoo terms.</div></div>

Interesting. Do you think that the 'pro-colonials' might actually <span style="font-style: italic">encourage</span> obeah and voodoo as means to suppress people and keep them ignorant?

[rufian]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Peasie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Depending on which view I have heard quite a few other islanders refer to Guadeloupeans as pro-colonial. This view I never understood because Guadeloupe was the place to be feared in Obeah and Voodoo terms.</div></div>

Interesting. Do you think that the 'pro-colonials' might actually <span style="font-style: italic">encourage</span> obeah and voodoo as means to suppress people and keep them ignorant? </div></div>

A thought along that line occurred to me when I made my first observation.

HOWEVER, that would imply racism It would imply that those who practice obeah and voodoo are being kept ignorant as they were in Africa

This encouragement is not colonial in the sense that they tell them to remain that way
The people must keep their traditions as a means of rebellion and ease of tension. It is also a means of identity and pride.

Now where I come close to your statement is that the different methods (in Carnival) do pacify the people, it is because they have these methods why they can withstand the oppression(remain ignorant as you would say). It is like therapy.
Unfortunately, it looks to me as though the whole region resorted to the culture for protection. It seems as though it was only Haiti that really went the hard way to freedom. \ö/
So I gone dance and remain ignorant

[Peasie]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now where I come close to your statement </div></div>

To be clear, it wasn't a statement. I was asking a question.

[rufian]

Re: Guadeloupe

well the statement behind your question

[Blackstar*]

Re: Guadeloupe

Actually people from Martinique have the reputation for being more pro-France than Guadeloupe is.

On another note, Haiti is a bit of a counter-example to D.R. and Cuba though.

[Blackstar*]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Peasie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">Interesting. Do you think that the 'pro-colonials' might actually encourage</span> obeah and voodoo as means to suppress people and keep them ignorant? </div></div><span style="font-style: italic">
A thought along that line occurred to me when I made my first observation.</span> </div></div>
You don't think history is contrary to that though? The British did everything they could to ban obeah and other non-Christian belief systms.

[rufian]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually people from Martinique have the reputation for being more pro-France than Guadeloupe is.

On another note, Haiti is a bit of a counter-example to D.R. and Cuba though. </div></div>
Still doesn't shift for Martinique.
How do you mean with Haiti?

[rufian]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Peasie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">Interesting. Do you think that the 'pro-colonials' might actually encourage</span> obeah and voodoo as means to suppress people and keep them ignorant? </div></div><span style="font-style: italic">
A thought along that line occurred to me when I made my first observation.</span> </div></div>
You don't think history is contrary to that though? The British did everything they could to ban obeah and other non-Christian belief systms. </div></div>

Mind the cobwebs None of them did anything to foster the Africaness of the slaves. Christianity was thought to be too good for them during slavery at the same time drums and Obeah were forbidden. So to Peasies 'question, they didnt say to the slave keep your culture to keep them stupid.

[Blackstar*]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
How do you mean with Haiti? </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Interestingly, those place that seem to have some strong colonial(non-African) presence have maintained a high degree of African culture, like Cuba, Dominican Republic. </div></div>
Haiti is the opposite of strong colonial presence *and* has a high degree of African culture.

[Blackstar*]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">So to Peasies 'question, they didnt say to the slave keep your culture to keep them stupid.</span> </div></div>Agreed!

[rufian]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
How do you mean with Haiti? </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Interestingly, those place that seem to have some strong colonial(non-African) presence have maintained a high degree of African culture, like Cuba, Dominican Republic. </div></div>
Haiti is the opposite of strong colonial presence *and* has a high degree of African culture. </div></div>

Hence my initial

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It seems as though it was only Haiti that really went the hard way to freedom. </div></div>

[rufian]

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