Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

[franksterr]

Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
When God order the killing of Israel's enemies was that evil?
If not why Not?
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #000099">The Bible is the Word of God; it was inspired by God, but written by men.</div></div>
God did or did not order the Killings of Israel enemies?</span>
Or where ancient scribes ascribing to God things he did not order?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing God has said is evil. Humans may or may not understand it correctly, or in proper context. You and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this point, I believe.</span></div></div>
Fine explain to me
Joshua 10:11
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, <span style="font-weight: bold">that the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died:</span> they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So killing animals for clothing is evil?
<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">No. I already told you that God gave human beings complete dominion over animals. Please don't make me repeat myself; that will become tedious very quickly.</span></span></div></div>
Does &quot;dominion over&quot; animal means anything goes, as I was under the impression that only for food was the exception meant for - Needed for you to clarified that point as you said killing for food is okay but torturing animals is not?


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did God order male children to be forcible circumcise? <span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">You can read it online if you haven't a copy of the book. Did He?</span></span>
If so is this not evil?</div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">So if God ordered the circumcision why is that not evil according to your definition of evil??</span>
Afterall circumcision is the forceful mutilation of babies???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">God made us all as we are, and in His image, but he also gave us free will. So He made us in His image - without sin - but we, of our own free will, disobeyed Him and sinned. We made ourselves sinful, by our own choice, and we must all live with the consequences of that choice.</div></div>
The consequence of that choice is God Condemning us to much pain and suffering - how then is that not evil??
How free is our will if it is bound by destiny that God fore-ordains

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What exactly do you mean by &quot;free will&quot;? <span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">Free will. The ability to make choices, not bound by constraints.</span></span></div></div>
But we are bounded by constraints, if we do not follow the dictates of God we will be punished with damnation

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is there such a thing as &quot;free Will&quot;? <span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">Yes, there is.</span></span> when you consider that there is but two choices one is given.....Obey or Perish!
It more like you have &quot;free choice&quot; but one options comes with Gods condemnation, then its no longer free but coerced. <span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">Please spare me your narrow viewpoint I am totally uninterested in debating this with you There re other choices, but people like you - that is, anti-theists - are apparently all quite short-sighted. This shortsightedness is not my problem.</span></span></div></div>

We are reasoning lets keep it civil.
What other choices are there???

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If we are made in the image of God, yet we sin then isn't it likely God may also be a sinner as we are but a copy of his original? <span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">No. And I never said were are copies of God. Do not twist my words. I said we were made in His image... I said nothing about copying. If you are going to quote me, please get it right, thank you</span></span></div></div>

I am not twisting your word &quot;image and copy&quot; have very similar meaning.
What then in our image is a reflection of God and what isn't?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In the post that I responded to earlier you said &quot; it was human nature to sin&quot; doesn't that usurp &quot;free will&quot;? <span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">No. It is human nature to sin. That does not mean that we cannot choose not to sin. It means that it's just a little more effort on our part to do the right thing and not sin, that's all. Why do all of you anti-theist see in strict black-and-white? There are a zillion shades of gray, and all of them are beautiful too.</span></span></div></div>

Name a few of those shades of grey?

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In short you rely on the judgement of others to explain and interprete the word of God for you?
<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">If you think so little of my intelligence then why would you even engage me here? Cho! You know better than that. </div></div>

please note It is a question not a statement.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do my own thinking, and I take my time about it when the thinking is important thinking. I make my own judgment for myself.

I do use the Catholic-approved Bibles, although I have enough knowledge of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek to do some of my own translating and studying also.

I rely upon the wisdom of my clergy. I also rely upon my own mind.</span></span></div></div>

Fine

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do not agree.
Do you wish to pursue this line of discussion?
<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">Feel free. But I believe we would both be wasting our time. Your mind is made up. you are not searching for answers. you want to teach answers. But I believe that you haven't got the answers. And I believe that I already know the answers, so I'm not seeking anything. So where is this going to lead us? I trust in your basic politeness - and my own - to keep it civil... but where do you see this going? I see it going nowhere. </span></span></div></div>

It is not my intent to convert or to teach but to put to test my own assumptions....as well as share them.
I will always acquiesce to greater reasoning.
With that in mind do you wish to continue with this line of questionings?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Too many people <span style="font-style: italic">think</span> they know what the Catholic Church teaches... even 'cradle Catholics' (those born and raised in the Church), but many are simply poorly catechized. I have the benefit of having been catechized as an adult, not as a child; I wanted to learn it, it wasn't forced down my throat. No one 'made me' study and learn it. There is a mighty big difference in what, and how much, one learns when learning it as I did, rather than as a child who'd rather be doing anything else.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is true about many &quot;Cradle Catholics&quot; and it is comforting to know you went willing and not under duress </div></div></div></div>
<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">I understand why the Church wishes to teach our children, but I also see that often children do not wish to be taught... and under such circumstances, children will not learn.</span></span> [/quote]

No argument here

[franksterr]

Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ChurchDude</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How would you define evil?</div></div>
Is evil is a &quot;thing&quot; or is it the result of the absence of innocence, morality, and rightness? </div></div>

It all depends on your definition of evil.
To some people Satan or the D<span style="color: #CC0000">evil</span> is evil incarnate thus making evil a thing much like how Christ is the Word of God taken on flesh - God Incarnate/goodness incarnate.

[Diplomat]

Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ChurchDude</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How would you define evil?</div></div>
Is evil is a &quot;thing&quot; or is it the result of the absence of innocence, morality, and rightness? </div></div>

It all depends on your definition of evil.
To some people Satan or the D<span style="color: #CC0000">evil</span> is evil incarnate thus making evil a thing much like how Christ is the Word of God taken on flesh - God Incarnate/goodness incarnate. </div></div>
The &quot;history&quot; of Satan refutes any argument that he is evil incarnate. In addition, the book of Job gives us a peek into Satan going back and forth between realms and having conversations with God. Hardly the kind of thing evil incarnate would be able to do.

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">Let us begin with this first. Doing so will serve us both best.</span>
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It is not my intent to convert or to teach but to put to test my own assumptions....as well as share them.
I will always acquiesce to greater reasoning.
With that in mind do you wish to continue with this line of questionings?

<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">Let us begin with the caveat: In matters of religion, many things are a matter of faith, and one cannot reason for or against them. One either believes or one does not. Period.

This ^ is one of the failings of atheists; they want to reason everything. There are some things that can't be reasoned out.

If you can't accept this going into it, then we have nothing left to say to each other, because some of my answers are going to be &quot;that's just what I/we believe&quot; or &quot;that's just how I/we believe it to be&quot;, etc.

As long as you understand and accept that - go for it. I'm usually willing to talk about my faith with others. Especially if it's a polite discussion like we're having.</span></span>


Does &quot;dominion over&quot; animal means anything goes, as I was under the impression that only for food was the exception meant for - Needed for you to clarified that point as you said killing for food is okay but torturing animals is not?
<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">I have said &quot;dominion over&quot;, and &quot;total dominion over&quot;. I can't make it any plainer than that. Man (humankind) has total dominion over animals. (Book of Genesis) God has given us the Earth and all on it, but we are expected to take care of it; we are expected to be good custodians. Obviously, we aren't (as a whole). This, too, is sinful. Animals are ours to use for food, for clothing, for whatever (no restrictions) -- but not for torturing, not for half-assed lab expriments, etc. </span></span>


I am not twisting your word &quot;image and copy&quot; have very similar meaning.
What then in our image is a reflection of God and what isn't?
<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">&quot;Similar&quot; is not the same as &quot;the same&quot;.

We are not copies. There is very little to no difference between copies.

We are all made in God's image. All of us have different appearances, different facial features, etc. You and I do not look alike. But we are both made in God's image. Each of us looks different yet is made in God's image.</span></span>


Name a few of those shades of grey?
<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">Open your eyes (and your mind).

One example: You can't see that being made prone to sinning does not preclude free will choice to work at not sinning. We may have been made one way, but we are called to strive to be better than that. Why did God make this so? Who knows? That's one of God's mysteries. You have to take this on faith. It's a shade of gray.

I'm sure other examples, probably better ones, will occur to me. I'll point them out when that happens.</span></span>

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Name a few of those shades of grey?
<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">Open your eyes (and your mind).</span></span> </div></div>
I'm not really sure how to tell you to do this. Asking me how to show you shades of gray is like a blind person asking a sighted person to help him see a sunrise. You either see it, or you don't.

[franksterr]

Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">Let us begin with this first. Doing so will serve us both best.</span>
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It is not my intent to convert or to teach but to put to test my own assumptions....as well as share them.
I will always acquiesce to greater reasoning.
With that in mind do you wish to continue with this line of questionings?

<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">Let us begin with the caveat: In matters of religion, many things are a matter of faith, and one cannot reason for or against them. One either believes or one does not. Period.

This ^ is one of the failings of atheists; they want to reason everything. There are some things that can't be reasoned out.

If you can't accept this going into it, then we have nothing left to say to each other, because some of my answers are going to be &quot;that's just what I/we believe&quot; or &quot;that's just how I/we believe it to be&quot;, etc

As long as you understand and accept that - go for it. I'm usually willing to talk about my faith with others. Especially if it's a polite discussion like we're having.</span></span></div></div>

Everything can be reasoned out....on that we will have to agree to disagree

Even in matters of &quot;faith&quot; belief are based on something that is rational if not logical, you must a least be able to say how you arrive at such a belief?
Anyways I understand your position


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does &quot;dominion over&quot; animal means anything goes, as I was under the impression that only for food was the exception meant for - Needed for you to clarified that point as you said killing for food is okay but torturing animals is not?
<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">I have said &quot;dominion over&quot;, and &quot;total dominion over&quot;. I can't make it any plainer than that. Man (humankind) has total dominion over animals.</span> (Book of Genesis) God has given us the Earth and all on it, but we are expected to take care of it; we are expected to be good custodians. Obviously, we aren't (as a whole). This, too, is sinful. Animals are ours to use for food, for clothing, for whatever (no restrictions) -- but not for torturing, not for half-assed lab expriments, etc. </span></div></div>

Basically anything goes, as I can rationalize my torturing as securing them for clothing.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am not twisting your word &quot;image and copy&quot; have very similar meaning.
What then in our image is a reflection of God and what isn't?
<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">&quot;Similar&quot; is not the same as &quot;the same&quot;.

We are not copies. There is very little to no difference between copies.

We are all made in God's image. All of us have different appearances, different facial features, etc. You and I do not look alike. But we are both made in God's image. Each of us looks different yet is made in God's image.</span></span></div></div>

We have a lot more in common than in the ways we differ.....we are 99% the same.



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Name a few of those shades of grey?
<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">Open your eyes (and your mind).

One example: You can't see that being made prone to sinning does not preclude free will choice to work at not sinning. We may have been made one way, but we are called to strive to be better than that. Why did God make this so? Who knows? That's one of God's mysteries. You have to take this on faith. It's a shade of grey

I'm sure other examples, probably better ones, will occur to me. I'll point them out when that happens.</span></span> </div></div>

Thanks That one has not help in clarifying somethings or actions that is neither a sinful or righteous.


Now to two question that have been left unanswered? I have enbolden them not to be rude but to express my interest in your response.

<span style="font-weight: bold">When God does or order the killing of Israel's enemies was that evil?
Joshua 10:11
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And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, <span style="color: #FF0000">that the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died:</span> they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword.</div></div></span>

Human nature means that it is the human thing to do....would that be akin to making walking upright sinful?
How can there be free-will when we are threaten with Gods punishment if we do what is in our nature to do?

[franksterr]

Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Name a few of those shades of grey?
<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">Open your eyes (and your mind).</span></span> </div></div>
I'm not really sure how to tell you to do this. Asking me how to show you shades of gray is like a blind person asking a sighted person to help him see a sunrise. You either see it, or you don't. </div></div>

When showing a blind person the sunrise, all you have to do is let him feel the sunrise he will get it......remember two sighted person looking at the same object will see it differently, nevertheless the idea will be conveyed.

Not being rude just honest....I think <span style="font-weight: bold">you</span> have no shades of grey between sinful actions and righteous actions.
Are there actions that are neither righteous or sinful..... sure they are, but its up to you to present them and until you do I will assume you have used as a - ploy

[franksterr]

Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ChurchDude</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ChurchDude</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How would you define evil?</div></div>
Is evil is a &quot;thing&quot; or is it the result of the absence of innocence, morality, and rightness? </div></div>

It all depends on your definition of evil.
To some people Satan or the D<span style="color: #CC0000">evil</span> is evil incarnate thus making evil a thing much like how Christ is the Word of God taken on flesh - God Incarnate/goodness incarnate. </div></div>
The &quot;history&quot; of Satan refutes any argument that he is evil incarnate. In addition, the book of Job gives us a peek into Satan going back and forth between realms and having conversations with God. Hardly the kind of thing evil incarnate would be able to do. </div></div>

Look That what some believe, that when satan or lucifer fell he became evil.
Why Good and evil do not talk, Did Jesus communicate with Satan for 40 days and nite....Was Jesus not in hell.
Personal Lucifer is a son of God like all of us

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?


Everything can be reasoned out....on that we will have to agree to disagree

Even in matters of &quot;faith&quot; belief are based on something that is rational if not logical, you must a least be able to say how you arrive at such a belief?
Anyways I understand your position

<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">Okay, so we agree to disagree on the issue that some matters are matters of faith, and on these matters my answer is &quot;it's just a matter of faith - you either believe or you don't&quot;.</span></span>


Basically anything goes, as I can rationalize my torturing as securing them <span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">[animals]</span></span> for clothing.

<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">No. I disagree. I guess we must agree to disagree on this, as well.</span></span>


Thanks That one has not help in clarifying somethings or actions that is neither a sinful or righteous.

<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">I'm afraid you've lost me. I don't follow. I've got no idea what you're saying here.</span></span>


Now to two question that have been left unanswered? I have enbolden them not to be rude but to express my interest in your response.

When God does or order the killing of Israel's enemies was that evil?

<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">No. God has His plans. We cannot understand them, nor will we fully understand them until we stand with God in Heaven. God does no evil. These are all matters of faith - you either believe or you do not.</span></span>


Human nature means that it is the human thing to do....would that be akin to making walking upright sinful?

<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">No, it means that something is what humans are prone to doing, but thy can not do it if they actively choose to act differently than their base nature prods them.

Don't be ridiculous. I'm uninterested in playing games. Nobody ever told you that walking upright was sinful. Stop the nonsense or you will find yourself talking to yourself in here.</span></span>

How can there be free-will when we are threaten with Gods punishment if we do what is in our nature to do? [/quote]<span style="font-weight: bold">[/b]

<span style="color: #000099">[b]This is the last time I'm going to say this (I've said it a few times already): Free will is the freedom to choose one's actions. The consequences of choosing certain actions have no bearing on your freedom to choose to act anyhow, It happens all th time. People sin, regardless of the consequences. People commit crimes, regardless of the consequences. And people pay for their wrong actions all the time - both with God and in jail.

You, Franksterr, can choose to steal a car that is not yours. You have free will. And plenty of people commit grand theft auto every day in this country. Regardless of the consequences, they steal cars. Many get caught and go to jail. But they had the free will to make the choice of whether or not to steal that car. So do you, frankstr, have the same free will.Your free will is not contingent upon anything else.

The point is to choose the right thing to do, even if it's not the easiest thing to do. Choose not to follow your baser instinct (human nature) and act differently. That is what we are called to do.

I will not discuss this again. I have made my point plain.</span></span>

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

Franksterr, you were asking me about circumcision, the other day... why God asked Abraham to circumcise himself, weren't you?

Here's your answer:

Blood was the acceptable sign of that time for a solemn agreement/contract/covenant. That's just how it was back then. We aren't talking about modern times. These days, all parties involved just sign the paper.

The actual circumcision was the sign of the covenant between God and Abraham (and his descendants). Circumcision was the reminder to God's Chosen People of their fidelity to God.

Christians say that they have no need to circumcise themselves because they carry that mark in their hearts, when we are marked as God's Own at our baptism, and that we have no need of an external sign,

[evanovitch]

Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How would you define evil?
Is evil sin....are they the same?
Does God sin? </div></div>

&quot;And Jabez called on the God of Israel, saying, Oh that you would bless me indeed, and enlarge my coast, and that your hand might be with me, <span style="font-weight: bold">and that you would keep me from evil,</span> that it may not grieve me! <span style="font-weight: bold">And God granted him that which he requested.&quot;</span> 1 Chron. 4:10


Evil is not really a created thing. You can't see, touch, feel, smell or hear evil. It is not one of the fundamental forces of physics, nor does it consist of matter, energy, or the spatial dimensions of the universe

[Emperah]

Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

Frankster I'm sure you know bout dis, but maybe is yasuh yuh a guh wid dis anyhow.



Isaiah 45:5-7

5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things

[evanovitch]

Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emperah_dehyah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Frankster I'm sure you know bout dis, but maybe is yasuh yuh a guh wid dis anyhow.



Isaiah 45:5-7

5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

7 <span style="font-weight: bold">I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things</span>
</div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">Isaiah 45:7</span> contrasts opposites. Darkness is the opposite of light. However, evil is not the opposite of peace. The Hebrew word translated &quot;peace&quot; is , which has many meanings, mostly related to the well being of individuals.

Ra'ah, the Hebrew word translated &quot;evil&quot; in the KJV often refers to adversity or calamity.

There are two forms of the word.

One use most often refers to moral evil, whereas the form used here most often refers to calamity or distress. Obviously, &quot;calamity&quot; is a better antonym of &quot;peace&quot; than &quot;evil.&quot;

[franksterr]

Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

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Thanks That one has not help in clarifying somethings or actions that is neither a sinful or righteous
<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">I'm afraid you've lost me. I don't follow. I've got no idea what you're saying here.</span></span>.</div></div>

You were supposed to present actions that are neither righteous or sinful - but shades of grey.


When God does or order the killing of Israel's enemies was that evil?

<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">No. God has His plans. We cannot understand them, nor will we fully understand them until we stand with God in Heaven. God does no evil. These are all matters of faith - you either believe or you do not.</span></span>

But you stated earlier that the killing of a convicted man is evil, why now when God is doing the killing its not evil?

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Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emperah_dehyah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Frankster I'm sure you know bout dis, but maybe is yasuh yuh a guh wid dis anyhow.



Isaiah 45:5-7

5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things
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True it is the foundation on which my idea that the Judeo-christian God is Evil