Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

[franksterr]

Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emperah_dehyah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Frankster I'm sure you know bout dis, but maybe is yasuh yuh a guh wid dis anyhow.



Isaiah 45:5-7

5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

7 <span style="font-weight: bold">I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things</span>
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<span style="font-weight: bold">Isaiah 45:7</span> contrasts opposites. Darkness is the opposite of light. However, evil is not the opposite of peace. The Hebrew word translated &quot;peace&quot; is , which has many meanings, mostly related to the well being of individuals.

Ra'ah, the Hebrew word translated &quot;evil&quot; in the KJV often refers to adversity or calamity.

There are two forms of the word.

One use most often refers to moral evil, whereas the form used here most often refers to calamity or distress. Obviously, &quot;calamity&quot; is a better antonym of &quot;peace&quot; than &quot;evil.&quot; </div></div>

So it means that God causes the calamities, that kill women and children indiscriminately.....How is that not evil????

[franksterr]

Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How would you define evil?
Is evil sin....are they the same?
Does God sin? </div></div>

&quot;And Jabez called on the God of Israel, saying, Oh that you would bless me indeed, and enlarge my coast, and that your hand might be with me, <span style="font-weight: bold">and that you would keep me from evil,</span> that it may not grieve me! <span style="font-weight: bold">And God granted him that which he requested.&quot;</span> 1 Chron. 4:10


Evil is not really a created thing. You can't see, touch, feel, smell or hear evil. It is not one of the fundamental forces of physics, nor does it consist of matter, energy, or the spatial dimensions of the universe
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I can see a tidal wave coming to destroy my home, I can feel the winds of a hurricane etc.....are these things not fundamental forces of nature????

[franksterr]

Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Franksterr, you were asking me about circumcision, the other day... why God asked Abraham to circumcise himself, weren't you?

Here's your answer:

Blood was the acceptable sign of that time for a solemn agreement/contract/covenant. That's just how it was back then. We aren't talking about modern times. These days, all parties involved just sign the paper.

The actual circumcision was the sign of the covenant between God and Abraham (and his descendants). Circumcision was the reminder to God's Chosen People of their fidelity to God.

Christians say that they have no need to circumcise themselves because they carry that mark in their hearts, when we are marked as God's Own at our baptism, and that we have no need of an external sign, </div></div>

In this thread we were talking about the forceful mutilation of male babies, order by God....You earlier stated that forceful mutilations are evil - do you still think so?

[evanovitch]

Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How would you define evil?
Is evil sin....are they the same?
Does God sin? </div></div>

&quot;And Jabez called on the God of Israel, saying, Oh that you would bless me indeed, and enlarge my coast, and that your hand might be with me, <span style="font-weight: bold">and that you would keep me from evil,</span> that it may not grieve me! <span style="font-weight: bold">And God granted him that which he requested.&quot;</span> 1 Chron. 4:10


Evil is not really a created thing. You can't see, touch, feel, smell or hear evil. It is not one of the fundamental forces of physics, nor does it consist of matter, energy, or the spatial dimensions of the universe
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I can see a tidal wave coming to destroy my home, I can feel the winds of a hurricane etc.....are these things not fundamental forces of nature???? </div></div>

but is a tidal wave evil...is a hurricane evil..it is nature at work...the clouds, tides, etc...

does a tidal wave wake up one day an seh , mmmm, wich island should i wipe out toda

[Emperah]

Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
but is a tidal wave evil...is a hurricane evil..it is nature at work...the clouds, tides, etc...

does a tidal wave wake up one day an seh , mmmm, wich island should i wipe out toda </div></div>

so God doesn't control nature then?
When they had the ten plagues that was just nature too (not waking up one day and saying I'm going to terrorize Pharaoh today?)

Aye sah de defence given by christians still amaze de I sometime enuh

[Emperah]

Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emperah_dehyah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Frankster I'm sure you know bout dis, but maybe is yasuh yuh a guh wid dis anyhow.



Isaiah 45:5-7

5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

7 <span style="font-weight: bold">I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things</span>
</div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">Isaiah 45:7</span> contrasts opposites. Darkness is the opposite of light. However, evil is not the opposite of peace. The Hebrew word translated &quot;peace&quot; is , which has many meanings, mostly related to the well being of individuals.

Ra'ah, the Hebrew word translated &quot;evil&quot; in the KJV often refers to adversity or calamity.

There are two forms of the word.

One use most often refers to moral evil, whereas the form used here most often refers to calamity or distress. Obviously, &quot;calamity&quot; is a better antonym of &quot;peace&quot; than &quot;evil.&quot; </div></div>

What a ting ppl believe dis is de word of God yet when de word of God come an seh sumting dat nuh agree wid christian beLIEf dem always find a way around it fi mek dem feel comfortable

[franksterr]

Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How would you define evil?
Is evil sin....are they the same?
Does God sin? </div></div>

&quot;And Jabez called on the God of Israel, saying, Oh that you would bless me indeed, and enlarge my coast, and that your hand might be with me, <span style="font-weight: bold">and that you would keep me from evil,</span> that it may not grieve me! <span style="font-weight: bold">And God granted him that which he requested.&quot;</span> 1 Chron. 4:10


Evil is not really a created thing. You can't see, touch, feel, smell or hear evil. It is not one of the fundamental forces of physics, nor does it consist of matter, energy, or the spatial dimensions of the universe
</div></div>

I can see a tidal wave coming to destroy my home, I can feel the winds of a hurricane etc.....are these things not fundamental forces of nature???? </div></div>

but is a tidal wave evil...is a hurricane evil..it is nature at work...the clouds, tides, etc...

does a tidal wave wake up one day an seh , mmmm, wich island should i wipe out toda </div></div>

When Isaiah said &quot;God create evil&quot; you when to pains to show where the evil he was referring to could have been calamity, commonsense would dictate that if that is the case then it should read &quot;God create calamity&quot;. Now you are trying to <span style="font-weight: bold">imply</span> that calamities are natural occurance and God has nothing to do with them....in short making Isaiah a liar.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ra'ah, the Hebrew word translated &quot;evil&quot; in the KJV often refers to adversity or calamity.
One use most often refers to moral evil, whereas the form used here most often refers to calamity or distress. Obviously, &quot;calamity&quot; is a better antonym of &quot;peace&quot; than &quot;evil.&quot;</div></div>

Why deny what the prophets say is so....
you have heard from Isaiah now hear from Amos
Amos 3:6
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If a trumpet is blown in a city, will not the people be afraid?
<span style="font-weight: bold">If there is <span style="color: #FF0000">calamity </span>in a city, will not the LORD have done it?</span></div></div>

Some translations use the word calamity instead of evil....the point is God is responsible or better yet the cause of calamities.

[franksterr]

Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emperah_dehyah</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emperah_dehyah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Frankster I'm sure you know bout dis, but maybe is yasuh yuh a guh wid dis anyhow.



Isaiah 45:5-7

5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

7 <span style="font-weight: bold">I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things</span>
</div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">Isaiah 45:7</span> contrasts opposites. Darkness is the opposite of light. However, evil is not the opposite of peace. The Hebrew word translated &quot;peace&quot; is , which has many meanings, mostly related to the well being of individuals.

Ra'ah, the Hebrew word translated &quot;evil&quot; in the KJV often refers to adversity or calamity.

There are two forms of the word.

One use most often refers to moral evil, whereas the form used here most often refers to calamity or distress. Obviously, &quot;calamity&quot; is a better antonym of &quot;peace&quot; than &quot;evil.&quot; </div></div>

What a ting ppl believe dis is de word of God yet when de word of God come an seh sumting dat nuh agree wid christian beLIEf dem always find a way around it fi mek dem feel comfortable </div></div>

Wait dem nuh draw out the big gun yet the final refuge of one who does not want to be free from Western mental slavery......FAITH.

[jah_yout]

Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How would you define evil?</div></div>

the other side of good...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is evil sin....are they the same?</div></div>

they can be the same....or totally different; it's all about context

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does God sin?</div></div>

i always say it depends on who/what one is defining as 'god'...

'god' can sin or do evil depending on one's perspective

[franksterr]

Re: Is God All-Good? What then is Evil? does it exist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[How would you define evil?

the other side of good..</div></div>

Give an example?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is evil sin....are they the same?

they can be the same....or totally different; it's all about context</div></div>

Please elaborate with an examples?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does God sin?


i always say it depends on who/what one is defining as 'god'...

'god' can sin or do evil depending on one's perspective
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based on your definition and perspective?
and is your definition and perspective bible based ?