What is FAITH?

[franksterr]

Re: What is FAITH?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You've already proven that you <span style="text-decoration: line-through">use</span> abuse 'poetic license' heavily (in another thread). </div></div>
I would appreciate it if you would please quit telling lies about Jews and Judaism. </div></div>

Go In peace

[WitchyOoman]

Re: What is FAITH?

I asked you - since you made the statement that those were lyrics to a Jewish song - to please post the name of that song.
I do not believe that it is a Jewish song, since those words contain thoughts/viewpoints that are contrary to what Judaism teaches.

So please kindly <span style="font-weight: bold">post the name of the song and/or its lyrics in its original language</span> OR admit that you knew that it is not a Jewish song... or, if, per chance, you were given bad information, hotlink to the source that stated that it was a Jewish song.
Basically - please prove your statement; back it up with some source(s).

I am tired of your attacks on Jews.

[WitchyOoman]

Re: What is FAITH?

Well, I did a bit of fast googling.

<span style="font-size: 14pt"><span style="font-weight: bold">Like I said - it's not the lyrics of a Jewish song at all. That's untrue.</span></span>

<span style="font-weight: bold">It's the lyrics to a Unitarian Universalist hymn.</span> Hardly Jewish.
(check Beacon Press)

<span style="font-weight: bold">Now will you please stop posting untruthful things about Judaism and Jews, frankstrr?!</span>

[franksterr]

Re: What is FAITH?

Nothing I have said is a lie.....the hymn is found in a Jewish prayer book, whether they are the original author of it I do not know, but that is where I came to know of it'

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Gates of Prayer, which we have now used since 1975 in our congregation, has a section toward the end called “Special Themes.</span>” These are readings and meditations on some 16 different themes. The themes include trust, sincereity, righteousness, justice, unity, peace, redemption. But one of the themes is doubt – yes, one of the “special themes” selected for our Movement’s Prayerbook is doubt. I share with you these words from that section. “Cherish your doubts, for doubt is the handmaiden of truth. Doubt is the key to the door of knowledge; it is the servant of discovery . . . Let none fear for the truth, that doubt may consume it; for doubt is a testing of belief.

“<span style="font-size: 14pt"><span style="font-weight: bold">Those who would silence doubt are filled with fear</span></span>; the house of their spirit is built on shifting sands. But they that fear not doubt, and know its use, are founded on a rock. They shall walk in the light of growing knowledge; the work of their hands shall endure.” (GOP, page 711) </div></div>

http://www.templetulsa.com/sermons/sermonseventdetail.php?id=117

[evanovitch]

Re: What is FAITH?

“By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible” (Heb. 11:3).
&amp;#10023;&amp;#10023;&amp;#10023;

God’s greatest truths are discovered by simple faith.
As a man or woman of faith, you have insights into life that unbelievers can’t know. You know how the physical universe began, where it is heading, and how it will end. You know Who governs the universe and how you fit into the total scheme of things. You know why you exist and how to invest your life in matters of eternal consequence.

Unbelievers can’t possibly appreciate those things because “a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised” (1 Cor. 2:14).

Some of the most basic issues of life remain a mystery to most people because they refuse God’s counsel. For example, the most brilliant thinkers have never agreed on the origin of the universe. Theirs is a futile attempt to explain what is beyond the realm of scientific investigation.

But such things aren’t beyond the realm of knowing—if a person is willing to be taught by God’s Word. The Bible clearly states that God spoke the physical universe into existence, creating visible matter from what was non-physical or invisible (Rom. 4:17). No humans observed that event. It cannot be measured or repeated. It must be taken by faith.

Any attempt to explain the origin of the universe or the nature of man apart from God’s Word is foolhardy. The unregenerate mind, no matter how brilliant it might be, cannot fathom such things.

So never feel you have to apologize for trusting God’s Word. Let the confidence of the psalmist be yours: “I have more insight than all my teachers, for Thy testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the aged, because I have observed Thy precepts” (Ps. 119:99–100).

MacArthur, John: Drawing Near. Wheaton, Ill. : Crossway Books, 1993, S. November 5

[franksterr]

Re: What is FAITH?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">“By faith we<span style="font-weight: bold"> understand </span>that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible” (Heb. 11:3).
&amp;#10023;&amp;#10023;&amp;#10023;</div></div>

If you understand something it is no longer a matter of faith???
In other words faith took you to understanding, Am I right or wrong?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">God’s greatest truths are discovered by simple faith.
As a man or woman of faith, you have<span style="font-weight: bold"> insights</span> into life that unbelievers can’t know. You know how the physical universe began, where it is heading, <span style="font-weight: bold">and how it will end. </span>You know Who governs the universe and how you fit into the total scheme of things. You know why you exist and how to invest your life in matters of eternal consequence.</div></div>

How does faith gives you this insight?
Is the future set? and we are all playing a role, in which we have no say?
In short is the future pre-ordained....if so how then are we held responsible for our actions?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Unbelievers can’t possibly appreciate those things because “a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised” (1 Cor. 2:14).</div></div>

Do not all men have spirits?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some of the most basic issues of life remain a mystery to most people because they refuse God’s counsel. For example, the most brilliant thinkers have never agreed on the origin of the universe. Theirs is a futile attempt to explain what is beyond the realm of scientific investigation.</div></div>

Can you or any one prove that God created the universe, I can say there is no such thing as a beginning, can you prove me wrong?

Many questions have been answered by science and its the nature of scientist to doubt, and then work through that doubt to understanding. Disagreement among scientist is a reflection of the process of science, you come up with an idea (insight) then you put it out there for your peers to critique. Finally you come up with an hypothesis (faith), then test your hypothesis with experimentation, draw a conclusion ( hopefully a theory) and share your process.

But such things aren’t beyond the realm of knowing—if a person is willing to be taught by God’s Word. The Bible clearly states that God spoke the physical universe into existence, creating visible matter from what was non-physical or invisible (Rom. 4:17). No humans observed that event. It cannot be measured or repeated. It must be taken by faith.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any attempt to explain the origin of the universe or the nature of man apart from God’s Word is foolhardy. The unregenerate mind, no matter how brilliant it might be, cannot fathom such things.</div></div>

My problem is not with the word of God but how it is interpreted, not long ago , men where burnt at the stake for using the telescope and reporting what they saw by Christians, because it contradicted there interpretation of the word of God.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So never feel you have to apologize for trusting God’s Word. Let the confidence of the psalmist be yours: “I have more insight than all my teachers, for Thy testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the aged, because I have <span style="font-weight: bold">observed</span> Thy precepts” (Ps. 119:99–100)</div></div>.

I agree with the psalmist, observation is a key component of science, how better to understand God work and word than by observing God's handiwork in action.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">MacArthur, John: Drawing Near. Wheaton, Ill. : Crossway Books, 1993, S. November 5 </div></div>

This is my opinion of the article, and not a condemnation of any religion.

[WitchyOoman]

Re: What is FAITH?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
http://www.templetulsa.com/sermons/s...ail.php?id=117 </div></div>
The one sentence/sentiment is found in a Reform prayerbook. The rest of the words - and the sentiments - are contrary to basic Judaism. Anything may be taken out of context.

What <span style="font-style: italic">is</span> encouraged in Judaism is asking questions... not doubt. One may doubt, but doubt is not encouraged, nor is it seen as a good thing. One is encouraged to ask questions along their way to better understanding of their faith. That is an entirely different thing than what you are suggesting.

[universalcure1]

Re: What is FAITH?

Greetings from London, Franksterr. Following on from your post on Faith, I would like to draw to your attention, the FACT THAT GOD CHOOSES US, WE DO NOT CHOOSE HIM. These things are &quot;spiritually discerned&quot;. Through the Almighty Power of the Holy Spirit. KJV St.John c15,v16 &quot; Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit,and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father,in my name, he may give it you.&quot;
v17 &quot; These things I command you,that ye love one another.&quot; SATTA MASSA GANA. hAVE A BLessED DAY !

[franksterr]

Re: What is FAITH?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: universalcure1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Greetings from London, Franksterr. Following on from your post on Faith, I would like to draw to your attention, <span style="font-weight: bold">the FACT THAT GOD CHOOSES US, WE DO NOT CHOOSE HIM</span>. These things are &quot;spiritually discerned&quot;. Through the Almighty Power of the Holy Spirit. KJV St.John c15,v16 &quot; Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit,and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father,in my name, he may give it you.&quot;
v17 &quot; These things I command you,that ye love one another.&quot; SATTA MASSA GANA. hAVE A BLessED DAY ! </div></div>

So all those people who are <span style="font-weight: bold">not Christian </span>are so, because God has not Chosen them?
Therefore they not being Christian is not their fault! Yet are they condemn for not being Christian?
Isn't it prejudicial to choose some and not all?
Do they have the free will to chose God?