Is God Married?

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Is God Married?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Patience is a virtue, I am told.

At this point I am thinking if God is not married, as you stated above then Jesus is his illegitimate son? and God has probable committed adultery or fornication?
what say ye - yea or nay? </div></div>
A virtue which I - sadly enough - do not possess.

No. Once again, you are wrong. You are wrong because you keep trying to ascribe purely human attributes and actions to God, who is not human at all. God didn't produce a son the same way we humans do it. Jesus is not illegitimate and God has not had sexual relations.

Please pay attention, because I don't wish to have to say this a third time. Here's the sum of my beliefs regarding these issues ---
(I highlighted in red the most pertinent parts.)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-weight: bold">I believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

<span style="color: #CC0000">I believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, light from light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father; </span>
through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
<span style="color: #CC0000">he came down from heaven,
was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary
and became truly human. </span>
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
I acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
I look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.</span> </div></div>

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Is God Married?

You may or may not have heard, franksterr, but the week after next, the English-speaking world begins using a new translation of the Mass. Among other prayer and response wording changes, the Nicene Creed has been retranslated to better reflect in English what it says in the original. Perhaps it will help you to understand my viewpoint better if you rad the new Missal's translation.....


<span style="font-weight: bold">I believe in one God, the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial
with the Father;
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate
of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.

For our sake he was crucified
under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son
is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic,
and apostolic Church.
I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection
of the dead and the life of the world to come.
Amen.</span>


The key part about Jesus as th Son of God being ---

<span style="color: #CC0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial
with the Father;
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate
of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.</span></span>

[franksterr]

Re: Is God Married?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


A virtue which I - sadly enough - do not possess.

No. Once again, you are wrong. You are wrong because you keep trying to ascribe purely human attributes and actions to God, who is not human at all. God didn't produce a son the same way we humans do it. Jesus is not illegitimate and God has not had sexual relations.

Please pay attention, because I don't wish to have to say this a third time. Here's the sum of my beliefs regarding these issues ---
(I highlighted in red the most pertinent parts.)</div></div>

Many of Gods actions throughout the bible are very human and sometimes they border on the depraved.....this is just a plain observation

God in siring a child with a woman is acting very human, as it is known that his Sons once in the distance past also did he same.

If perchance I artificial impregnate a woman, whose I am not married to is that child not considered illegitimate?
Especially if that woman is bethroth to another?


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You may or may not have heard, franksterr, but the week after next, the English-speaking world begins using a new translation of the Mass. Among other prayer and response wording changes, the Nicene Creed has been retranslated to better reflect in English what it says in the original. Perhaps it will help you to understand my viewpoint better if you rad the new Missal's translation.....</div></div>

No I did not know.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">I believe in one God, the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial
with the Father;
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate
of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.

For our sake he was crucified
under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son
is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic,
and apostolic Church.
I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection
of the dead and the life of the world to come.
Amen.</span></div></div>

There is much questions that I have of the above but will leave it alone for now.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The key part about Jesus as th Son of God being ---

<span style="color: #CC0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial
with the Father;
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate
of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.</span></span> </div></div>

Could you explain the difference between &quot;begotten&quot; and &quot;made&quot;?

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Is God Married?

<span style="font-weight: bold">From Catchism of the Catholic Church, Chapter Two, Article 2, III The Only Son of God ---
</span>
II The Incarnation

461 Taking up St. John's expression, &quot;The Word became flesh&quot;,82 The Church calls &quot;Incarnation&quot; the fact that the Son of God assumed a human nature in order to accomplish our salvation in it. In a hymn cited by St. Paul, the Church sings the mystery of the Incarnation:

Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. and being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross.83

462 The Letter to the Hebrews refers to the same mystery:

Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said, &quot;Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired, but a body have you prepared for me; in burnt offerings and sin offerings you have taken no pleasure. Then I said, Lo, I have come to do your will, O God.&quot;84

463 Belief in the true Incarnation of the Son of God is the distinctive sign of Christian faith: &quot;By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit which confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God.&quot;85 Such is the joyous conviction of the Church from her beginning whenever she sings &quot;the mystery of our religion&quot;: &quot;He was manifested in the flesh.&quot;86

III True God and True Man

464 The unique and altogether singular event of the Incarnation of the Son of God does not mean that Jesus Christ is part God and part man, nor does it imply that he is the result of a confused mixture of the divine and the human. He became truly man while remaining truly God. Jesus Christ is true God and true man.
During the first centuries, the Church had to defend and clarify this truth of faith against the heresies that falsified it.

465 The first heresies denied not so much Christ's divinity as his true humanity (Gnostic Docetism). From apostolic times the Christian faith has insisted on the true incarnation of God's Son &quot;come in the flesh&quot;.87 But already in the third century, the Church in a council at Antioch had to affirm against Paul of Samosata that Jesus Christ is Son of God by nature and not by adoption. the first ecumenical council of Nicaea in 325 confessed in its Creed that the Son of God is &quot;begotten, not made, of the same substance (homoousios) as the Father&quot;, and condemned Arius, who had affirmed that the Son of God &quot;came to be from things that were not&quot; and that he was &quot;from another substance&quot; than that of the Father.88

466 The Nestorian heresy regarded Christ as a human person joined to the divine person of God's Son. Opposing this heresy, St. Cyril of Alexandria and the third ecumenical council, at Ephesus in 431, confessed &quot;that the Word, uniting to himself in his person the flesh animated by a rational soul, became man.&quot;89 Christ's humanity has no other subject than the divine person of the Son of God, who assumed it and made it his own, from his conception. For this reason the Council of Ephesus proclaimed in 431 that Mary truly became the Mother of God by the human conception of the Son of God in her womb: &quot;Mother of God, not that the nature of the Word or his divinity received the beginning of its existence from the holy Virgin, but that, since the holy body, animated by a rational soul, which the Word of God united to himself according to the hypostasis, was born from her, the Word is said to be born according to the flesh.&quot;90

467 The Monophysites affirmed that the human nature had ceased to exist as such in Christ when the divine person of God's Son assumed it. Faced with this heresy, the fourth ecumenical council, at Chalcedon in 451, confessed:
Following the holy Fathers, we unanimously teach and confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ: the same perfect in divinity and perfect in humanity, the same truly God and truly man, composed of rational soul and body; consubstantial with the Father as to his divinity and consubstantial with us as to his humanity; &quot;like us in all things but sin&quot;. He was begotten from the Father before all ages as to his divinity and in these last days, for us and for our salvation, was born as to his humanity of the virgin Mary, the Mother of God.91

We confess that one and the same Christ, Lord, and only-begotten Son, is to be acknowledged in two natures without confusion, change, division or separation. the distinction between the natures was never abolished by their union, but rather the character proper to each of the two natures was preserved as they came together in one person (prosopon) and one hypostasis.92

468 After the Council of Chalcedon, some made of Christ's human nature a kind of personal subject. Against them, the fifth ecumenical council, at Constantinople in 553, confessed that &quot;there is but one hypostasis [or person], which is our Lord Jesus Christ, one of the Trinity.&quot;93 Thus everything in Christ's human nature is to be attributed to his divine person as its proper subject, not only his miracles but also his sufferings and even his death: &quot;He who was crucified in the flesh, our Lord Jesus Christ, is true God, Lord of glory, and one of the Holy Trinity.&quot;94

469 The Church thus confesses that Jesus is inseparably true God and true man. He is truly the Son of God who, without ceasing to be God and Lord, became a man and our brother: &quot;What he was, he remained and what he was not, he assumed&quot;, sings the Roman Liturgy.95 and the liturgy of St. John Chrysostom proclaims and sings: &quot;O only-begotten Son and Word of God, immortal being, you who deigned for our salvation to become incarnate of the holy Mother of God and ever-virgin Mary, you who without change became man and were crucified, O Christ our God, you who by your death have crushed death, you who are one of the Holy Trinity, glorified with the Father and the Holy Spirit, save us!&quot;96


This ^ explains <span style="font-weight: bold">in depth</span> - since you keep refusing to accept my simple answer - how Jesus is both man/human and God/divine, His nature, and what the words of the Nicene Creed prtaining to Jesus actually mean. The answer of &quot;begotten&quot; versus &quot;made&quot; is in there. Okay?

[franksterr]

Re: Is God Married?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">From Catchism of the Catholic Church, Chapter Two, Article 2, III The Only Son of God ---
</span>
II The Incarnation

461 Taking up St. John's expression, &quot;The Word became flesh&quot;,82 The Church calls &quot;Incarnation&quot; the fact that the Son of God assumed a human nature in order to accomplish our salvation in it. In a hymn cited by St. Paul, the Church sings the mystery of the Incarnation:

Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. and being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross.83</div></div>

Like all man he is born of a woman, hence begotten. There is only Two Human beings who were made according to orthodox Christianity and those are Adam &amp; Eve.
So being begotten is common.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">462 The Letter to the Hebrews refers to the same mystery:

Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said, &quot;Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired, but a body have you prepared for me; in burnt offerings and sin offerings you have taken no pleasure. Then I said, Lo, I have come to do your will, O God.&quot;84

463 Belief in the true Incarnation of the Son of God is the distinctive sign of Christian faith: &quot;By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit which confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God.&quot;85 Such is the joyous conviction of the Church from her beginning whenever she sings &quot;the mystery of our religion&quot;: &quot;He was manifested in the flesh.&quot;86</div></div>

This sounds like Transmigration a practice coming out of Egypt.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">III True God and True Man

464 The unique and altogether singular event of the Incarnation of the Son of God does not mean that Jesus Christ is part God and part man, nor does it imply that he is the result of a confused mixture of the divine and the human. He became truly man while remaining truly God. Jesus Christ is true God and true man.
During the first centuries, the Church had to defend and clarify this truth of faith against the heresies that falsified it.

465 The first heresies denied not so much Christ's divinity as his true humanity (Gnostic Docetism). From apostolic times the Christian faith has insisted on the true incarnation of God's Son &quot;come in the flesh&quot;.87 But already in the third century, the Church in a council at Antioch had to affirm against Paul of Samosata that Jesus Christ is Son of God by nature and not by adoption. the first ecumenical council of Nicaea in 325 confessed in its Creed that the Son of God is &quot;begotten, not made, of the same substance (homoousios) as the Father&quot;, and condemned Arius, who had affirmed that the Son of God &quot;came to be from things that were not&quot; and that he was &quot;from another substance&quot; than that of the Father.88

466 The Nestorian heresy regarded Christ as a human person joined to the divine person of God's Son. Opposing this heresy, St. Cyril of Alexandria and the third ecumenical council, at Ephesus in 431, confessed &quot;that the Word, uniting to himself in his person the flesh animated by a rational soul, became man.&quot;89 Christ's humanity has no other subject than the divine person of the Son of God, who assumed it and made it his own, from his conception. For this reason the Council of Ephesus proclaimed in 431 that Mary truly became the Mother of God by the human conception of the Son of God in her womb: &quot;Mother of God, not that the nature of the Word or his divinity received the beginning of its existence from the holy Virgin, but that, since the holy body, animated by a rational soul, which the Word of God united to himself according to the hypostasis, was born from her, the Word is said to be born according to the flesh.&quot;90

467 The Monophysites affirmed that the human nature had ceased to exist as such in Christ when the divine person of God's Son assumed it. Faced with this heresy, the fourth ecumenical council, at Chalcedon in 451, confessed:
Following the holy Fathers, we unanimously teach and confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ: the same perfect in divinity and perfect in humanity, the same truly God and truly man, composed of rational soul and body; consubstantial with the Father as to his divinity and consubstantial with us as to his humanity; &quot;like us in all things but sin&quot;. He was begotten from the Father before all ages as to his divinity and in these last days, for us and for our salvation, was born as to his humanity of the virgin Mary, the Mother of God.91

We confess that one and the same Christ, Lord, and only-begotten Son, is to be acknowledged in two natures without confusion, change, division or separation. the distinction between the natures was never abolished by their union, but rather the character proper to each of the two natures was preserved as they came together in one person (prosopon) and one hypostasis.92

468 After the Council of Chalcedon, some made of Christ's human nature a kind of personal subject. Against them, the fifth ecumenical council, at Constantinople in 553, confessed that &quot;there is but one hypostasis [or person], which is our Lord Jesus Christ, one of the Trinity.&quot;93 Thus everything in Christ's human nature is to be attributed to his divine person as its proper subject, not only his miracles but also his sufferings and even his death: &quot;He who was crucified in the flesh, our Lord Jesus Christ, is true God, Lord of glory, and one of the Holy Trinity.&quot;94

469 The Church thus confesses that Jesus is inseparably true God and true man. He is truly the Son of God who, without ceasing to be God and Lord, became a man and our brother: &quot;What he was, he remained and what he was not, he assumed&quot;, sings the Roman Liturgy.95 and the liturgy of St. John Chrysostom proclaims and sings: &quot;O only-begotten Son and Word of God, immortal being, you who deigned for our salvation to become incarnate of the holy Mother of God and ever-virgin Mary, you who without change became man and were crucified, O Christ our God, you who by your death have crushed death, you who are one of the Holy Trinity, glorified with the Father and the Holy Spirit, save us!&quot;96</div></div>

This is pure dogma based on faith.....reason logic or rationality has no place here.
My reading of the bible makes Jesus human and God in the sense that we are all (sons and daughters of ) God


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This ^ explains <span style="font-weight: bold">in depth</span> - since you keep refusing to accept my simple answer - how Jesus is both man/human and God/divine, His nature, and what the words of the Nicene Creed prtaining to Jesus actually mean. The answer of &quot;begotten&quot; versus &quot;made&quot; is in there. Okay? </div></div>

As are we all

Did not find the meaning of made in there could you highlight it?

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Is God Married?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This sounds like Transmigration a practice coming out of Egypt.</div></div>
No. It's not transmigration. Re-read it again.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This is pure dogma based on faith.....reason logic or rationality has no place here. </div></div>
No, not <span style="font-style: italic">dogma</span>. <span style="font-weight: bold">Catechism</span>.
Two similar, but different, definitions.

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Is God Married?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Did not find the meaning of made in there could you highlight it? </div></div>
You understand both of the words - &quot;begotten&quot; and &quot;made&quot;. You said it already!
Adam and Eve were <span style="font-style: italic">made</span>. The rest of us - including Jesus - were <span style="font-style: italic">begotten</span>.
<span style="font-style: italic">BUT</span>, Jesus - unlike you and I and the rest of us - was <span style="font-weight: bold">begotten of the Holy Spirit</span>. We were begotten of our fathers' seed.

[jah_yout]

Re: Is God Married?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Did not find the meaning of made in there could you highlight it? </div></div>
You understand both of the words - &quot;begotten&quot; and &quot;made&quot;. You said it already!
Adam and Eve were <span style="font-style: italic">made</span>. The rest of us - including Jesus - were <span style="font-style: italic">begotten</span>.
<span style="font-style: italic">BUT</span>, Jesus - unlike you and I and the rest of us - was <span style="font-weight: bold">begotten of the Holy Spirit</span>. We were begotten of our fathers' seed. </div></div>

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Is God Married?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Did not find the meaning of made in there could you highlight it? </div></div>
You understand both of the words - &quot;begotten&quot; and &quot;made&quot;. You said it already!
Adam and Eve were <span style="font-style: italic">made</span>. The rest of us - including Jesus - were <span style="font-style: italic">begotten</span>.
<span style="font-style: italic">BUT</span>, Jesus - unlike you and I and the rest of us - was <span style="font-weight: bold">begotten of the Holy Spirit</span>. We were begotten of our fathers' seed. </div></div>
</div></div>
Like I said before (taken directly from the newly re-translated Nicene Creed):

<span style="font-weight: bold">I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial
with the Father;
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate
of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.</span>

[franksterr]

Re: Is God Married?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This sounds like Transmigration a practice coming out of Egypt.</div></div>
No. It's not transmigration. Re-read it again.[/quote]

A body was prepared for him, that was later imbued with him......Avatar a Hindu/Egyptian concept


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This is pure dogma based on faith.....reason logic or rationality has no place here.
No, not <span style="font-style: italic">dogma</span>. <span style="font-weight: bold">Catechism</span>.
Two similar, but different, definitions. </div></div>

Similar is good enough.
The answers to the catechism is based in dogma.....the question are ask form rote memory.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You understand both of the words - &quot;begotten&quot; and &quot;made&quot;. You said it already!
Adam and Eve were made. The rest of us - including Jesus - were begotten.
BUT, Jesus - unlike you and I and the rest of us - was begotten of the Holy Spirit. We were begotten of our fathers' seed</div></div>

NO! Jesus was begotten of the Father of us all
Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Like I said before (taken directly from the newly re-translated Nicene Creed):

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial
with the Father;
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate
of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.</div></div>

But Jesus is not the only begotten as per scripture.....Sons of Gods are being made mention of in Genesis.
Genesis 6
That the <span style="font-weight: bold">sons of God</span> saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Is God Married?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This sounds like Transmigration a practice coming out of Egypt.</div></div>
No. It's not transmigration. Re-read it again.</div></div>

A body was prepared for him, that was later imbued with him......Avatar a Hindu/Egyptian concept </div></div>

Have you suddenly lost your reading skills, franksterr?
I <span style="font-style: italic">know</span> you are capable of reading comprehension!

The was no pre-prepared body; there was no later imbuing of a body with Jesus' spirit. I asked you to re-read it, but you obviously did not... unless you suffered a brain burp?

It says &quot;and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man.&quot; Jesus took on humanity by becoming fully human Himself. He was born of the Virgin Mary, just as you were born of your mother and me of mine, although neither your mother nor mine were virgins at the time of our births. Jesus was born as a human baby, with His soul, just as we all are - he didn't receive his soul at a point later after His birth. It's not anything like transmigration.

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Is God Married?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This sounds like Transmigration a practice coming out of Egypt.</div></div>
No. It's not transmigration. Re-read it again.</div></div>

A body was prepared for him, that was later imbued with him......Avatar a Hindu/Egyptian concept </div></div>
And now you want to discuss avatar. Avatar and transmigration are two different things entirely.

Jesus was born as fully human, not as an avatar - an appearance of human. Nor was he transmigrated - he was born as fully human an fully God at the same time, all at once. His soul was intact in His body when he was born, What you, franksterr, are suggesting is the Docetic Heresy, circa 70AD. Did you know that?



Additionally, franksterr, Mr Witchy says that you appear to misunderstand transmigration. You keep talking about talking about a spirit or an entity entering a prepared body at a later date. And you keep saying it's Egyptian.

Egyptian belief was that the soul would return to it's original body; that's why they mummified. They believed that the soul an the body could separate, but they expected the would to return to it's original body. Transmigration is not Egyptian.

The peoples who do believe in transmigration were some Greeks, Hindus, some Jews, some Buddhists, and others. BUT, while the Hindus were and are the biggest believers in transmigration, they believe that a soul is born into a new body, not going into a prepared body.

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Is God Married?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Similar is good enough.
The answers to the catechism is based in dogma.....the question are ask form rote memory. </div></div>
I'm not too sure what you're trying to say here???

<span style="font-weight: bold">Dogma</span> is defined as <span style="font-weight: bold">a belief or a code of beliefs</span>.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Catechism</span> is defined as <span style="font-weight: bold">a summary of beliefs of Christianity in the form of questions and answers, and is used for teaching</span>.

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Is God Married?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
NO! Jesus was begotten of the Father of us all
Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. </div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold">Absolutely NOT!!!</span>

Jesus was <span style="font-weight: bold">conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit</span>, and born of he Virgin Mary, and born man. (human - fully human, as well as fully deity)

Catechism of the Catholic Church
-- PART ONE: THE PROFESSION OF FAITH
-- SECTION TWO I. THE CREEDS
-- CHAPTER TWO I BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, THE ONLY SON OF GOD
-- Article 3 &quot;HE WAS CONCEIVED BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND WAS BORN OF THE VIRGIN MARY&quot;
-- Paragraph 2. &quot;CONCEIVED BY THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AND BORN OF THE VIRGIN MARY&quot;

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Is God Married?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
But Jesus is not the only begotten as per scripture.....Sons of Gods are being made mention of in Genesis.
Genesis 6
That the <span style="font-weight: bold">sons of God</span> saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose </div></div>
You yourself quoted it. It does NOT say &quot;Begotten sons of God&quot;.

Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.

<span style="font-weight: bold">I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,</span>
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial
with the Father;
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate
of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.


How many times must I post the same thing before you read it and retain what it says?
I'm not asking you to believe it... only just to remember what it says and that that's what I believe.