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Diplomat is very silent....what happen cat got your tongue?
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smaddy need to tell da bredda yah seh is not di sign alone mek im noh have no woman
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Originally posted by Peasie View Postsmaddy need to tell da bredda yah seh is not di sign alone mek im noh have no woman maybe a woman like on the sign is his only hope.
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What woman in her right mind would be desperate enough to want an ugly looking tub of lard like that in the first place?
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He's A True ChristianComment
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Maybe he is.Originally posted by Emperah View Post
Maybe he isn't.
*shrug*
i won't judge based on an unfortunate photo.Comment
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O' Stop dat kinda tawk bout won't judge, look pan de man him shut seh him a real christian
and de bible does diss ooman a whole heap suh him juss a follow (suh him seh) wah it seh.
King James hated woem why yuh tink all dem eedyat reference to ooman eendeh?
Dats why mi laff at god inspired a whole heap a tricknology eendehComment
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Read my keystrokesOriginally posted by Emperah View PostO' Stop dat kinda tawk bout won't judge, look pan de man him shut seh him a real christian
and de bible does diss ooman a whole heap suh him juss a follow (suh him seh) wah it seh.
King James hated woem why yuh tink all dem eedyat reference to ooman eendeh?
Dats why mi laff at god inspired a whole heap a tricknology eendeh
.....King James did not make any changes to the Bible. The Bible does not diss women. 
Last edited by Tropicana; 09-14-2013, 03:20 PM.Comment
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The Bible says "Not all that sayeth unto me Lord Lord will enter." What do you think the parable about the sheep and the goats was all about? Not everyone who says he is a Christian.....is a Christian.Originally posted by Emperah View PostComment
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Soun like yuh nuh kno de bible nar de history of de mans name pan it.Originally posted by Tropicana View PostRead my keystrokes.....King James did not make any changes to the Bible. The Bible does not diss women.
You do know you are to be silent in the church and say nothing till yuh reach home and if you have any questions yuh fi ahx yuh husband.Comment
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Originally posted by Emperah View Post
I know the Bible AND the history of it and I base what I say on that knowledge
and not on the misconceptions and misinformation that you have swallowed hook, line and sinker.
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it is not I who have swallowed de bag a sour fruit
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Yes it is.Originally posted by Emperah View Postit is not I who have swallowed de bag a sour fruitComment
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Emperah... slogans and posters don't win discussions. To understand what the Bible has to say about any topics one does have to understand the historical and cultural context. Go to a mosque today and you will see that men and women are not seated together. It was like this in the early church too. Women were getting up and going to ask their husbands questions in the middle of the service at the Church in Corinth and this was disruptive....for this reason the instructions were given.
- s" in the city of Delphi just north of Corinth. People from all over the world came to Delphi to hear babbling that was supposed to be from a "god"!
Women or Wives?We must also bear in mind that the Greeks had only one word for both woman and wife-- the word "gune[iv]". The same word that Paul uses in 1 Cor 14:34 is translated "wives" in many passages such as Matthew 19:8, "Jesus replied, 'Moses permitted you to divorce your wives...'" and many others including Ephesians 5:25 and 1 Peter 3:1. So when Paul writes, "Let the women keep silent" he uses a word with two meanings! He may well be referring to "wives" who are unconverted and untaught-- the very one that "prophesied" that "Jesus was accursed" as recorded in 1 Cor 12:3. The church at Corinth would know exactly which wife or wives he meant! For us today, we must rely on context clues to reveal whether Paul was talking of women in general or specific wives.
Corinth and a woman ministerCorinth was a large seacoast city on the Gulf of Corinth, and its eastern port was called Cenchrea.[v] This port area of Corinth was the home of Phoebe, mentioned in Romans 16:1 as a "diakonon" which is translated "servant" in this passage. This same exact word is translated "minister" in "is Christ then the minister of sin?" Galatians 2:17. Paul refers to himself in Ephesian 3:7, "I became a minister" and in Col. 1:25, "I am made aminister" using the same exact word. Also see 1 Cor. 3:5, "ministers by whom ye believed", as well as 2 Cor. 3:6, "ministers of the new covenant". [vi] This woman minister traveled to Rome carrying the book of Romans, and is highly praised by Paul. See the paper "Traveling through Time" for more information about her. Since Phoebe was a minister from the eastern port of Corinth, it is a major proof that Paul but did not restrict Phoebe and others from playing a major role in churches of that area.
Critical background information: The Oracle of DelphiJust across the bay from Corinth was a major attraction of the ancient world, the Oracle of Delphi. On the southern slope of Mt. Parnassus, female priestesses presided over a stone temple and delivered answers for those seeking guidance from the "god" Apollo on everything from romance to whether to wage war. A prophetess about fifty-five years old would receive a question written on a lead tablet and would descend to the basement of the temple where she breathed fumes of ethelyne, a sweet-smelling gas that produces feelings of euphoria. The gas drifted up from a fault line under the temple. Modern researchers have verified the presence of this gas and it can still be detected today.[vii] The priestess would utter "prophecies" while she was in a trance-like state, and these would pour out in a garbled state. Male priests "interpreted" these sounds. Interpretations were usually vague and ambiguous-- increasing their chances of being perceived as accurate.[viii]
The Oracle of Delphi existed for twelve centuries and was very famous in the ancient world. The congregation in Corinth was well aware of it and many probably witnessed the "oracle" in person. The unconverted mates of church members might still have been involved in similar pagan worship, as Delphi was only about forty miles north of Corinth across what is known today as the Gulf of Corinth.
Control yourselves!Paul writes, "For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all may be exhorted;" 1 Cor 14:31. Notice he doesn't say that all MEN may prophesy, but that ALL can prophesy if it is done "one by one". In verse 32 he adds that "the spirits of the prophets are subject to prophets"; meaning that true prophets are not out of control or in some gas-induced trance, as were the priestesses of Delphi. Prophets of God have control over their spirits and their speaking.
A God of Peace in all the churches of the saintsVerse 33 clearly illustrates that this entire issue was about confusion and disruption in the church, not Paul seeking to take away the rights of Christian women to participate.
1 Cor. 14:33 for God is not {a God} of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.[ix]
Wives/Women keeping silent1 Cor 14:34
34 Let the {or *those} women (the same word as "wives") keep silent in the churches {church}; for they are not permitted to speak, but let them subject themselves, just as the Law also says.
*The Greeks have many forms of the word "the" but this exact word is "hai" 3588. .In all the following New King James scriptures the same word in the male form --"hoi" is translated "those": John 6:14, "those men" ; John 8:29 KJV, "those things"; Romans 8:5 "For those who"; Romans 8:8, "those who are in the flesh" NKJ; 1 Cor 10:18, "those who eat"; 1 Cor. 15:18, "those who have fallen asleep"; and 1 Cor. 15:23, "those who are Christ's"; Gal. 3:9, "those who are of faith"; Gal. 5:24, "those who are Christ's"; Gal. 6:13, "those who are"; 1Thes. 5:7, "Those who sleep"; 1 Tim 3:13 "For those who have served well; 2Tim. 1:15, "all those in Asia"; 2 Tim 3:6, "those who creep".
By using the feminine form of this word, "hai", Paul is saying, "Let those wives keep silent..." Not ALL women, just those causing confusion!
Paul is urging the churches to start a policy of limiting the participation of "those" wives, unconverted wives, who must subject themselves to their converted husbands, not causing any further disruption. Paul's reference to "the Law" may be a reference to Genesis 3:16 which relates to being subject to a husband in marriage.
Wives with converted husbands1 Cor 14:35
35 And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; ..."
The phrase "if they desire to learn anything" expresses doubt whether these wives were wanting to learn. He implies they were just there to cause problems! Clearly Paul is dealing with specific wives because these being reprimanded have converted husbands they may ask at home. Wives with unconverted husbands could NOT "ask their own husbands at home, nor could unmarried women or widows.
He continues, "for it is improper for a woman (wife) to speak in church (the last two Greek words are-- en ekkleesia, which can also be translated among the true believers.)
The Greek en is translated "among" in Matt. 27:56, "among which was Mary Magdalene" and Romans 8:29, "among many brethren" and countless other scriptures.[x] Paul says that this unconverted wife may not speak among the "ekkleesia" among the converted male and female members participating in services!
The word "ekkleesia" translated "church" does not refer to a church building but to the entire congregation of Christian believers-- both men and women! Ekkleesia is defined by Thayer's Greek/Engllish Definitions as "an assembly of Christians gathered for worship." It also means "called out" ones. This disruptive wife who babbles blasphemous "prophecies" is not a part of the baptized believers (the ekkleesia), and she is not to speak among the converted Christian men and women as do the women with the true spiritual gift of prophecy. The passage should be translated as follows:
1 Cor 14:34-35
34 Let those wives keep silent among the called out ones; for they are not permitted to speak, but let them subject themselves, just as the Law also says. And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a wife to speak among the called out ones.
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- s" in the city of Delphi just north of Corinth. People from all over the world came to Delphi to hear babbling that was supposed to be from a "god"!
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