Why is no one making a big stink about

[kia027]

this?

Michael Vick got sentenced , prison and there are people who think he should be executed

but no media stink on a poorly run kennel where they had to euthanize <span style="font-weight: bold">1200 dogs</span>?

[Nanook]

Re: Why is no one making a big stink about

While I sat in utter disgust at the past Vick escapades, I believe he has learned from his mistakes and paid what to him was a huge debt to society. I abhor his actions, but wishing death?

Now, in my dream world that I talk about in another thread, there would be no puppy mills. These people get away with murder on a regular basis and there are so many of them that they are hardly regulated partly due to the shortage of funding. That they are allowe dto exist I will never understand!

I wish there was more focus on this BEFORE THE FACT! Rescue is great we need rescue...but if people concentrated more on the puppy mills there would be less need for rescue and the numbers would go down dramatically.

Dogs from puppy mills are likely potential walking vet bills just by their nature. That any survive from birth to market is no small miracle and once they hit the market you should see the replacement policies dealing with 'dead&quot; puppies on arrival and such. It would make you hurl. There is NO SUCH THING...as a health guarantee!

Stop nonsensical breeding &amp; puppy mills. That is the answer. About 5 years ago they ALLOWED a permit to an applicant for a 500 dog kennel in western Mn. NOBODY can take care of 500 dogs! I don't care how much help you have, it is not possible!

Local animal shelters make better use of donations as well. Donating to the HSUSA is like peeing in the wind. It does basically nothing but bolster breed specific legislation. Most donations go in the coffers of the HSUSA. Little goes to actual cause people THINK they are donating towards.

Well now, you got my blood going but that's OK. I'm staying up till I know my dad is traveled from California tonight and landed in his home safe and sound. Time for those deep breathing relaxing exercises!

[kia027]

Re: Why is no one making a big stink about

sorry I did not mean to get your blood boiling but it is a sad state of affairs when someone has a kennel with 500, 1000 dogs all for sale.

Personally we do rescue but who is to say that the rescue we choose is not a puppy mill dog too

[Nanook]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">sorry I did not mean to get your blood boiling but it is a sad state of affairs when someone has a kennel with 500, 1000 dogs all for sale.

Personally we do rescue but who is to say that the rescue we choose is not a puppy mill dog too </div></div>

M blood was already simmering....I have LOTS to say about this too. Give me a few brb. Letting dogs out!

[Nanook]

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Ok, the sad reality is this. And I apologize in advance to rescue groups for the discouragement but it is the truth, plain and simple....that rescue animals are susceptible to having a boatload of maladies.

Case in point:

One thinks they want to buy a dog and goes through the right channels. They educate themselves on what breeds will work with their lifestyle... or, in fact...if a dog will fit in with their lifestyle at all.

They take the time to find a responsible breeder after doing this research they know how to go about it. Breeder/buyer will ask each other a lot of questions and genetic health screening results and medical information is presented as well as expectations for the BUYER, and CONTRACTS.

Responsible puppy buyers know to do these things and find the responsible breeders and when a contract is fulfilled, you will NOT find offspring of these transactions in a shelter hardly, if ever. In cases of an unexpected death would be one example, but these dogs are simply not &quot;surrendered&quot;. Contracts include clauses that the breeder is responsible for that dog for it's life and that the responsible breeder take it back, with or without fee, usually without.

Odds are these dogs live a long healthful life with little vet care...

Now then, you have your backyard breeders!

Person A finds person B who has the same breed dog and one is a boy and one is a girl, let's make some money!

The dogs in question have come from a long line of the same thinking. No research is even done to find out if the dogs are related! I many cases, the owners are so lax that his &quot;purebred golden retriever&quot; actually got jumped by the neighbors cockapoo one night in the middle of it's estrus and in the litter that is being sold as golden retrievers, a couple of them are actually half golden and half cockapoo. (speculation was they were &quot;runts, in other words, too small&quot

Or even stranger, they call a groomer to make an appointment to get their &quot;westie;' groomed &amp; it is obviously half lab when you actually lay eyes on it and the owners will argue with you until the cows come home that it is purebred cause they gots papers and if they wanted to, they could show it.

<span style="font-style: italic">oops, 1 year later, said dog comes down with hip dysplasia and another one bites the dust...</span>

Not knowing the back rounds of the dogs in question is one of the biggest problems of all. German Shepard A, who lives on Zenith Avenue took a liking to German Shepard B over in the next town. Neither owner bothered to register the dogs, or acquire a pedigree but since the two dogs seem to love each other they breed them together!

The dogs are brother and sister and both have severe hip dysplasia. ALL 10 puppies in the litter seemed fine but they couldn't find homes for them all so soon they were at the mall giving them away. The people that took them home had made a stupid spur of the moment decision and regret it the next day, or the next week when potty training got old. Nobody to take it, so it landed in the shelter. A year later the adopters are running to their vet with a crippled dog. It has hip dysplasia as well as bad knees.

Thousands of $$ later, must put down. Family runs to shelter for the next rescue and the cycle continues.

God bless you all, I cannot take the heartbreak...I have the skin problems with Rosebud I was lucky that is all she has had. I had a Great Dane from the shelter, I named him Turkey &amp; he was wonderful, and Lord knows many others. I've got my rescue kitteh's and yes, when I lose Rose I will go to Doberman Rescue for a companion for Paris but my involvement is basically to help STOP NONSENSICAL BREEDING.

One thing that is so very sad to me is seeing people who unknowingly bought a puppy mill dog over the internet, and finding it had the health problems it does, yet they keep the dog for it's lifetime because it was love at first sight! It is a decade or more of heartbreak for them. It is many thousands of dollars of vet bills they pour into keeping that &quot;baby&quot; alive and it is also the unfortunate souls that end up with those dogs and cannot afford the high cost of their needed constant vet care, that ultimately turn them over to shelters. You see those heart tugging stories every day on morning shows... Yes the puppy mill dogs are a huge problem.

[kia027]

Re: Why is no one making a big stink about

you have made some excellent points here nanook

one thing caught my eye.. if someone wants to adopt an older dog and is interested in a certain breed would it make sense to try to go to the breed rescue?

[Nanook]

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YES! By all means, I am also going to Doberman rescue when I lose Rose but I will have more questions for them than they will have for me. I will want to know as much as possible of where the dog came from.

You can pick and choose what to take on from breed rescue. In some cases, an owner/or a breeder may have fallen on bad times and lost their home. This happens &amp; these dogs land in shelters and on breed rescue lists. A death, other sad circumstances. If the words puppy mill run off someones lips, I'm sorry...I would run, not walk, away. Russian roulette. Just screen where the dog came from and pay attention and do not vote with your heart strings. It is hard, and why I choose the educate ladder, I cannot take the heartbreak of rescue work.