banning pets from flights

[Suesumba]

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ST. JOHN’S—The Canadian Medical Association wants commercial airlines to forbid passengers from bringing pets into airplane cabins in order to protect other travellers who suffer from allergies.

“While airlines argue that this is a great thing for pet owners, the practice actually exposes our patients and their passengers to significant allergens that could make the journey difficult and occasionally (make them) quite seriously ill as a result,” said Dr. Mark Shonfeld as he presented the motion at the annual general council of the CMA in St. John’s, Nfld. on Tuesday.

The motion carried, which means the professional organization representing about 75,000 doctors nationwide is now urging airlines to ban all pets—except for guide dogs and other service animals – from passenger cabins.

They said there would be no problem with transporting pets in a pressurized cargo hold.

Air Canada began allowing small pets such as cats, dogs and birds to travel with their owners in the airplane cabin in July 2009, while its competitor WestJet reportedly has pets on about one quarter of its flights.


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[Tulip]

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I understand that some people are allergic to pets, and I empathize in mind if not in heart.

I do not remember a time when I could not fly with my dog in the cabin so of course I would feel like i was being slighted. The pressurized cargo area is for larger animals to me.

If I want her to fly with me, then I'll abide by the rules of the airline, but I suggest they have a mass donation to homeless shelters of all those peanuts. I have heard of many more people with allergies to peanuts than pet dander.

[Nanook]

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Good points Tulip. Let's not forget perfume, fabric softener on your seatmates clothes and a host of other assorted things.

Nah, the airlines make big bucks off of pets, and the animals always stay crated, unless they are service animals and the day that they can't fly, will never come.

[CeaBee]

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eh tulip u saw that thing on the news with the young man whose aunt gave him a chocolate cookie and it had nuts (but she didn't know), and he died after eating it.

edit : it looks like aunt purchased cookies, the young man didn't check to see if it contained nuts and didn't have epi-pen with him

[Tulip]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nanook</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good points Tulip. Let's not forget perfume, fabric softener on your seatmates clothes and a host of other assorted things.

Nah, the airlines make big bucks off of pets, and the animals always stay crated, unless they are service animals and the day that they can't fly, will never come.

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You're right Nanook.

Perfume is definitely another thing though.

I like perfume. I wear perfume. Some people just over-do it though, and it's worse if it is a fragrance you don't care for all up in your nostrils for a whole flight. I don't know how people who are allergic to fragrance function on a daily basis.

[Tulip]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CeaBee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">eh tulip u saw that thing on the news with the young man whose aunt gave him a chocolate cookie and it had nuts (but she didn't know), and he died after eating it.

edit : it looks like aunt purchased cookies, the young man didn't check to see if it contained nuts and didn't have epi-pen with him </div></div>

CB, I remember at least one case similar to that. The little sister told the aunt he was allergic to nuts after the fact.

I think when you don't have allergies, it makes you much less sensitive to reading everything on a label.

Now you have me thinking I don't want nobody's pickney coming with me with a whole set of allergies. Lord forbid, it's the wheat thing lol. (I am not a capable caregiver in that situation.)

[Nanook]

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Well, when it comes down to it....

I would much rather sit next to a dog than a sneezing sniffling child! Serious thing..a dog needs a health certificate issued within X amount of days to fly. If the vet sees anything untoward, no certificate. I don't believe the rule applies to service dogs though.

You can buy service dog vests lots of places! They cannot question you beyond &quot;how does the dog assist your disability&quot;?

Therefore, the ban can't happen. Who has a link to how much the airlines make on flying pets in the cabin? I'm too <span style="text-decoration: line-through">lazy</span> tired to look.

I would never fly my dogs cargo.

[Tulip]

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It is around $125 on Delta now, but it used to be $150 about 10 years ago so that's the only thing I can think of in recent times that has gotten lower in cost.

I leave Butterfly at the kennel when I'm flying without her. If I am taking her with me, then she's carry on and I assume the rates have not changed.

True story, a friend of mine moved cross-country with her dog in cargo, and something went wrong with her collar. The poor doggie was so traumatized that my friend had to chase her through the airport. I still say I'm shocked that never made it to YouTube or some Homeland Security video.

[Nanook]

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I wonder if the people ever recovered the 20,000 the dog was worth! As far as I know, they never caught it.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/11374957/

[kia027]

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sorry to read about Vivi the Whippet

Maybe a few airlines should get together to create pet friendly flights and just have certain flights that pets are allowed. If they do this already then they can list the flight as a pet friendly flight and those who have allergies, doan want to be bothered, etc can choose an alternate flight?

[Nanook]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">sorry to read about Vivi the Whippet

Maybe a few airlines should get together to create pet friendly flights and just have certain flights that pets are allowed. If they do this already then they can list the flight as a pet friendly flight and those who have allergies, doan want to be bothered, etc can choose an alternate flight? </div></div>


If they did that, then what would they do about the service dogs? Also, would there be certain &quot;pet planes&quot;, such as the certain allowed hotel rooms, or smoking rooms for that matter?

Either way, there will never be a ban on service animals from any flight. The ADA will see to that. Then again..I have learned through the years to never say never. Some of the hairiest shedding dogs I have ever seen, are Golden Retrievers. They are up there in popularity with easy to train seeing eye, service animals.

What you see flying in cabins, other than service animals, have to be small dogs whose carriers fit under the seat. Mostly, they ride in the zippered tent style bags. I can't even picture dander leaking out of the mesh.

Sigh...so much more important stuff to worry about these days. The doctor in the mentioned article seems like somewhat of an attention whore, was my first observation. I was scan reading though..so I could be wrong.

I can't remember what I heard about the outcome of Vivi. For sure I remember the part about her being a sight hound suddenly on the loose and they had a hell of a time.

[Nanook]

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Sniff...

I had to go looking if they ever found Vivi.

story here

[kia027]

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Service dogs are excluded of course

[Tulip]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nanook</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder if the people ever recovered the 20,000 the dog was worth! As far as I know, they never caught it.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/11374957/ </div></div>

Wow! I have landed in JFK many times and can't imagine how the dog completely got away. Running past the automated walkway alone would cause a ruckus.

Bless their hearts though. I hope they find Vivi.

Side note: I had a neighbor a while back who had a whippet. My mother kept throwing table food his way in hopes he would gain some weight lol. She couldn't accept that any dog would be that naturally thin.

[WitchyOoman]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nanook</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You can buy service dog vests lots of places! They cannot question you beyond &quot;how does the dog assist your disability&quot;? </div></div>
Actually, within the U.S. and in accodordance with ADA, no one can ask you what the dog does for you, or how the dog assists you with your disability, because ADA forbids them asking you specifics about your disability in the first place. All they can ask is, &quot;Is that dog a service dog?&quot;

I was recently out at a training facility in southern PA, to see if a balance dog would be of help to me... they had me out with a trainer and a trainee service dog, in public, as part of the testing. This dog was a Bernese Mountain dog most of the way through it's training as a balance dog.

Somebody said to me, &quot;You're not blind, so that's not a seeing eye dog... so he can't come in [the shop].&quot;

My reply was, &quot;He is a service dog, so you must let him into your shop, by law.&quot;

The clerk refused again, and my trainer spoke up.

&quot;The dog is a service dog, and in accordance with [exact ADA statute phrases], you must let her and her service animal into your shop. And if you don't, we will call the police.&quot;

The clerk still refused, challenging, &quot;So, what dos the dog do for you, since you're not blind?&quot;

We did end up getting a cop, who did let the store clerk know that he had to permit me an my service dog access to his shop withou knowing more than the fat that the dog is a working service animal. The cop corroborated that the clerk has no right to personal knowledge about my disability(ies) and that I have absolute rights to my privacy regarding my disabililty(ies), in accordance with ADA.


They determined that I would do better with a balance dog, but I can't afford the associated costs of that right now.