Kudos to Joe Jackson...

**Fyah** · 07-11-2009, 05:51 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mrs_Ahmidis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a theory that once you reach a certain age and
stage in life, then you have to take responsibility for yourself.
Figure out who you want to be and go be that person.
Erase all that which would hold you bck.
Put garbage in the garbage can.
Get hold of yourself and make your life beautiful.
If you can't manage, get help.
Get a <span style="text-decoration: underline">relationship</span> with Father God.

Mr. Jackson had an idea of what he wanted for his family; he delivered...with the help of Father God.

They have been a tad ungrateful. </div></div>

We are living in a time of making excuses and looking for someone to blame and it will only get worse if we do not individually take responsibility.

**julie*mango** · 07-11-2009, 05:58 PM

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we have heard: your childhood may not have been perfect but it is over.

true.

but what about the psychological damages of a turbulent childhood? how can one undo those damages? memba seh tree ongle can ben wen it young ie nuh.

**Fyah** · 07-11-2009, 06:04 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _______</div><div class="ubbcode-body">we have heard: your childhood may not have been perfect but it is over.

true.

but what about the psychological damages of a turbulent childhood? how can one undo those damages? memba seh tree ongle can ben wen it young ie nuh. </div></div>

I think that anything that is broken, can be fixed...especially here in the great U S of A. There are therapists on every corner like nail salons these days, and with money and the right advisor, anyone can overcome a turbulent childhood.

I think that it is time that adults realize that being burdened by childhood incidents/accidents and mistakes will only rob them of a life that could be a fruitful one.

Michael tried to move on and have moved on in many ways, I think, but people insist on holding on to his baggage.

I believe in my heart that he wanted to live the life he wanted, and because he had the money he was able to do just that...even if it seemed "strange" to us, it was what he wanted (in terms of his fantasy land) and no one influenced it but him.

**CeaBee** · 07-11-2009, 06:10 PM

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I think Michael let Joe know how he felt about him...in life and in death. He left his estate to Kathryn.

I haven't read details of Joe's abuse, but i do remember a tv interview with Latoya, and you could see that even as an adult she still feared him.

**julie*mango** · 07-11-2009, 06:15 PM

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wats this about Joe sexually abusing the oldest girl?

**julie*mango** · 07-11-2009, 06:21 PM

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from Wikipedia<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Michael Jackson claimed that from a young age he was physically and emotionally abused by his father, enduring incessant rehearsals, whippings and name-calling, but also admitting that his father's strict discipline played a large part in his success.[3][4] In one altercation—later recalled by Marlon Jackson—Joseph held Michael upside down by one leg and "pummeled him over and over again with his hand, hitting him on his back and buttocks."[5] Joseph would also trip up or push his male children into walls. One night while Michael was asleep, Joseph climbed into his room through the bedroom window. Wearing a fright mask, he entered the room screaming and shouting. Joseph said he wanted to teach his children not to leave the window open when they went to sleep. For years afterward, Michael suffered nightmares about being kidnapped from his bedroom.[5]
Michael first spoke openly about his childhood abuse in a 1993 interview with Oprah Winfrey. He said that during his childhood he often cried from loneliness and would sometimes get sick or start to vomit upon seeing his father.[6][7][8][9] In Michael's other high profile interview, Living with Michael Jackson (2003), the singer covered his face with his hand and began crying when talking about his childhood abuse.[5] Michael recalled that Joseph sat in a chair with a belt in his hand as Michael and his siblings rehearsed and that "if you didn't do it the right way, he would tear you up, really get you."[10]</div></div>

di mask part funny nuh backside

idea!

**CeaBee** · 07-11-2009, 06:29 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _______</div><div class="ubbcode-body">wats this about Joe sexually abusing the oldest girl? </div></div>

i don't remember the details of that interview...but I remember her talking about "Joseph", (thought it was funny that they called their dad by his given name)

i vaguely remember hearing rumours about the sexual abuse of the oldest daughter.

**ILP** · 07-11-2009, 06:34 PM

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the first time i ever heard about any kind of abuse was from Janet. some reporter asked her why she called her dad Joe? It was interesting to me the fact that janet was still shaken by the very mention of her dad's name. i didnt think she was acting either.

i then watched some piece with michael (i wanna say it was that martin basher scandal piece) that the song <span style="font-style: italic">Man in the Mirror</span> was about his dad.

anyhow...adults must choose to live despite (sp?) their respective childhoods, but the flip side of that means they also cant sleep on what their childhood was about either.

**julie*mango** · 07-11-2009, 06:48 PM

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but Man in the Mirror was not written by Michael

Anyways, is latoya mi hear write bout it in her book den retract it seh it was a misunderstanding

**julie*mango** · 07-11-2009, 07:05 PM

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CREEPY DAD WAS ROOT OF ALL CLAN'S WOE, SINGER SEZ
BY MICHELLE CARUSO DAILY NEWS WEST COAST BUREAU CHIEF
Sunday, March 5th 2006, 6:56AM
JACKSON FAMILY patriarch Joe Jackson was so abusive to his children "that he'd probably be in prison" if his wife hadn't protected him, Jermaine Jackson alleges.
The outline for Jermaine's proposed book "Legacy: Surviving the Best and the Worst" suggests Joe Jackson molested his daughters Rebbie and LaToya and may have exposed young Michael to abuse at the hands of "important" businessmen.
"Joseph did some disgusting things to LaToya and Rebbie, especially. If it weren't for Mother's loyalty to him, he'd probably be in prison for what he did to our sisters," Jermaine said in the draft.
Jermaine describes their mother as a loving person, but he wonders why she allowed her husband "to do what he's done."
When LaToya, 49, detailed physical abuse and hinted at sexual abuse in her 1991 tell-all "LaToya - Growing Up in the Jackson Family," other family members denied it.
Jermaine even suggested his father may have set up Michael to be somehow victimized by older men.
He tells how his father would have Michael join in at late-night hotel room meetings with "important business people," and wondered whether "something happened" to Michael at those sessions.
He said he sensed something was wrong because Michael would be sick for days after. "What was Joseph doing?" Jermaine wrote.
In weighing the 2003 child-molestation allegations against Michael, Jermaine wondered whether his father's behavior could have made his younger brother go bad.
Joseph Jackson's children were frightened that their father's blood would eventually "contaminate" them.
Rebbie, 55, is the oldest daughter in the Jackson family. As kids growing up in Gary, Ind., before the family hit it big, she and LaToya slept in an alcove off the living room.
Rebbie moved out of the family home as a teen and went to live with a family friend "for reasons I didn't fully understand then," LaToya wrote in her book.
LaToya also described being awakened in the night by Joseph wearing a "monster mask."
[email protected]

www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2006/03/05/2006-03-05_creepy_dad_was_root_of_all_c.html

**Dr.Dudd** · 07-11-2009, 07:14 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _______</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CREEPY DAD WAS ROOT OF ALL CLAN'S WOE, SINGER SEZ
BY MICHELLE CARUSO DAILY NEWS WEST COAST BUREAU CHIEF
Sunday, March 5th 2006, 6:56AM
JACKSON FAMILY patriarch Joe Jackson was so abusive to his children "that he'd probably be in prison" if his wife hadn't protected him, Jermaine Jackson alleges.
The outline for Jermaine's proposed book "Legacy: Surviving the Best and the Worst" suggests Joe Jackson molested his daughters Rebbie and LaToya and may have exposed young Michael to abuse at the hands of "important" businessmen.
"Joseph did some disgusting things to LaToya and Rebbie, especially. If it weren't for Mother's loyalty to him, he'd probably be in prison for what he did to our sisters," Jermaine said in the draft.
Jermaine describes their mother as a loving person, but he wonders why she allowed her husband "to do what he's done."
When LaToya, 49, detailed physical abuse and hinted at sexual abuse in her 1991 tell-all "LaToya - Growing Up in the Jackson Family," other family members denied it.
Jermaine even suggested his father may have set up Michael to be somehow victimized by older men.
He tells how his father would have Michael join in at late-night hotel room meetings with "important business people," and wondered whether "something happened" to Michael at those sessions.
He said he sensed something was wrong because Michael would be sick for days after. "What was Joseph doing?" Jermaine wrote.
In weighing the 2003 child-molestation allegations against Michael, Jermaine wondered whether his father's behavior could have made his younger brother go bad.
Joseph Jackson's children were frightened that their father's blood would eventually "contaminate" them.
Rebbie, 55, is the oldest daughter in the Jackson family. As kids growing up in Gary, Ind., before the family hit it big, she and LaToya slept in an alcove off the living room.
Rebbie moved out of the family home as a teen and went to live with a family friend "for reasons I didn't fully understand then," LaToya wrote in her book.
LaToya also described being awakened in the night by Joseph wearing a "monster mask."
[email protected]

www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2006/03/05/2006-03-05_creepy_dad_was_root_of_all_c.html </div></div> <span style="font-size: 17pt"> The media is just trying to shift the blame to somewhere else instead of admitting that they are the primary source of Michael Jackson's destruction.
They can fool some of the people some of the time but will never be able to fool all of the people all of the time. </span>

**Fyah** · 07-11-2009, 07:24 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _______</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CREEPY DAD WAS ROOT OF ALL CLAN'S WOE, SINGER SEZ
BY MICHELLE CARUSO DAILY NEWS WEST COAST BUREAU CHIEF
Sunday, March 5th 2006, 6:56AM
JACKSON FAMILY patriarch Joe Jackson was so abusive to his children "that he'd probably be in prison" if his wife hadn't protected him, Jermaine Jackson alleges.
The outline for Jermaine's proposed book "Legacy: Surviving the Best and the Worst" suggests Joe Jackson molested his daughters Rebbie and LaToya and may have exposed young Michael to abuse at the hands of "important" businessmen.
"Joseph did some disgusting things to LaToya and Rebbie, especially. If it weren't for Mother's loyalty to him, he'd probably be in prison for what he did to our sisters," Jermaine said in the draft.
Jermaine describes their mother as a loving person, but he wonders why she allowed her husband "to do what he's done."
When LaToya, 49, detailed physical abuse and hinted at sexual abuse in her 1991 tell-all "LaToya - Growing Up in the Jackson Family," other family members denied it.
Jermaine even suggested his father may have set up Michael to be somehow victimized by older men.
He tells how his father would have Michael join in at late-night hotel room meetings with "important business people," and wondered whether "something happened" to Michael at those sessions.
He said he sensed something was wrong because Michael would be sick for days after. "What was Joseph doing?" Jermaine wrote.
In weighing the 2003 child-molestation allegations against Michael, Jermaine wondered whether his father's behavior could have made his younger brother go bad.
Joseph Jackson's children were frightened that their father's blood would eventually "contaminate" them.
Rebbie, 55, is the oldest daughter in the Jackson family. As kids growing up in Gary, Ind., before the family hit it big, she and LaToya slept in an alcove off the living room.
Rebbie moved out of the family home as a teen and went to live with a family friend "for reasons I didn't fully understand then," LaToya wrote in her book.
LaToya also described being awakened in the night by Joseph wearing a "monster mask."
[email protected]

www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2006/03/05/2006-03-05_creepy_dad_was_root_of_all_c.html </div></div> <span style="font-size: 17pt"> The media is just trying to shift the blame to somewhere else instead of admitting that they are the primary source of Michael Jackson's destruction.
They can fool some of the people some of the time but will never be able to fool all of the people all of the time. </span> </div></div>

Thank you!!

The media created this mess and we are lapping it up as if they have always been supportive of Michael.

Who knows why Michael left his estate to his mom? Who knows whether the agreement was for him to leave it to the person he wants to care for his kids? Men tend to gravitate to their mother as adults anyway so that should not come as a surprise.

I have yet to see the cameras zoom in on a black man who mouths "hi dad" even if there is one present. They almost ALWAYS acknowledge their MOMS.

**julie*mango** · 07-11-2009, 07:29 PM

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Customer review of La Toya's book on Amazon

By Miss DTP "upper_echelon" (San Antonio, TX USA) - See all my reviews
La Toya did what many people today wish they could: reveal, and then heal from an abusive relationship(s). She opened the gates of the Jackson's homes in Gary, Indiana and at Hayvenhurst in CA for the world to see. This very informative book shed light on the hidden, the quiet or even the most beautiful Jackson of them all. In it 'Toy, Toy' (a name she hates to be called) reveals the family struggles with abusive parents, her relationship with her siblings and their spouses, the life in captivity behind the gates of their CA mansion, her meeting of her manager and then husband Jack Gordon and...Playboy. Even a botched kidnap attempt is addressed.
Michael, the prodigal son, is portrayed in a wonderful light, as he should be. They shared very special times growing up and Toya displays each of them. Michael was ordered by the elders at the Witness to NEVER speak to Toya again because she missed (in their opinion) too many meetings. This left Michael sobbing on Janet's bed, when Toya came in, he ran into Janet's bathroom bawling! He also supported Toya against her brother's wives (wives can be so cruel) and supported her when her PLAYBOY PICTORIAL came out.

Joseph Jackson, the family patriarch, is portrayed as twisted and evil, and as an ogre who delighted in the suffering of his family. In Michael's live interview with Oprah Winfrey, he claimed that even in his late 30's he's still afraid of 'Joseph'. He confessed to Oprah that he even regurgitates when 'Joseph' comes by for a visit. La Toya gives much; much more details into the horrors they all faced. La Toya was badly beaten by the hands of her father at a very young age and was left bleeding on the bathroom floor whilst her brothers walked over her, much to afraid to offer any support. He threatened to throw her out of a window repeatedly for just asking a simple question.

Katherine Jackson, the family matriarch, is certainly... some piece of work. A devout Witness, she raised her family, especially La Toya and Michael, to be very spiritual and was Toya's very best friend. When the Jackson 5 was busy with their careers, it was Toya and baby Janet who kept Mama busy. But as you read, she too could be as, if not more wicked than Joseph. Delve into the part when EVEN Joseph confronts Kate about her treatment of Toya regarding medication Kate knows could kill her!!!...SHOCKING! There are two very different (jekyll--and-- hyde) sides to Kate, which Toya talks in detail about. Abused herself by Joseph's womanizing and keeping a second 'FAMILY' right down the road, their was little she could do to stop the abuse of her children...or could she Hmmmm...?
I praise Toya and Romanowski for bringing this book to light simply because of the courage it took. Going up against the Jackson's, even if you are one, must have been frightening. Writing this part of the book must have been so painful for her. Whilst other young girls were becoming women, Toya was still a 'little girl' beside her 'mommy'. She never went on dates because of all the publicity it would garner and never mentioned having ANY boyfriends or many friends. You truly get a sense of her innocence-how could she not be growing up to sheltered-and so shackled.

La Toya also discusses Jermaine's attitudes towards Michael's success and Jermaine's decision not the leave Motown (which was disaster for him.) She also talks about the brother who received the worst treatment from 'Joseph'--the first-born-Jackie. Toya says that Jackie would only stop bye the house if he KNOWS 'Joseph' is not there and would leave immediately if 'daddy' came back. Toya once asked Katherine why Joseph treated Jackie so terribly. Katherine replied "Joe just never liked him." Sad isn't it?

This book gives an excellent insight into the most intriguing music family around told by one of it's most intriguing members...pick it up today.

Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Toya-Growing-Up-Jackson-Family/dp/0712635335

**Fyah** · 07-11-2009, 07:36 PM

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'Toya tried. She really did, didn't she? Anything for the spotlight, I think.

My thought was why Katherine didn't do a better job at protecting her children from that "monster" and then I say the quote below.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But as you read, she too could be as, if not more wicked than Joseph. Delve into the part when EVEN Joseph confronts Kate about her treatment of Toya regarding medication Kate knows could kill her!!!...SHOCKING! There are two very different (jekyll--and-- hyde) sides to Kate, which Toya talks in detail about.</div></div>.

'Toya is simply trying too hard in my opinion. Now that Michael is out of the way, they can all have the stage.

**Dr.Dudd** · 07-11-2009, 07:38 PM

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Withh a situation wher almost a hundred if them lived in 2 bedrooms, it had to be a mess. Hiow many of these holier than thouw chattering about th epeople's business lives wer not worse than that?
They are simply acting out the old feeling of <span style="font-weight: bold">misery loves company</span>.
They are simply happy to hear it from somebody iportant abiut somebody important, to give them the feeling that even them can make it too.
Well they are fooled.

Kudos to Joe Jackson...

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