I have a friend...

**kia027** · 09-08-2009, 02:24 PM

Re: I have a friend...

yes your friend needs behavioral therapy and a psychologist will be happy to help dem

**diabolical_Tanya** · 09-08-2009, 02:40 PM

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No your friend does not need therapy, they can adress and treat the issue on their own.

I once dated someone who claimed that "I" was passive agressive

**kia027** · 09-08-2009, 02:42 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dear_DiabolicalT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No your friend does not need therapy, they can adress and treat the issue on their own.

I once dated someone who claimed that "I" was passive agressive </div></div>

dem need a therapist fi confirm dem case and show dem the 12 steps of assertion

**diabolical_Tanya** · 09-08-2009, 02:46 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dear_DiabolicalT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No your friend does not need therapy, they can adress and treat the issue on their own.

I once dated someone who claimed that "I" was passive agressive </div></div>

dem need a therapist fi confirm dem case and show dem the 12 steps of assertion </div></div>

dem noh need a therapist dem can juss google it

**kia027** · 09-08-2009, 02:47 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dear_DiabolicalT</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dear_DiabolicalT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No your friend does not need therapy, they can adress and treat the issue on their own.

I once dated someone who claimed that "I" was passive agressive </div></div>

dem need a therapist fi confirm dem case and show dem the 12 steps of assertion </div></div>

dem noh need a therapist dem can juss google it </div></div>

methinks thou art passive agressive

**diabolical_Tanya** · 09-08-2009, 02:49 PM

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I may very well be

**kia027** · 09-08-2009, 02:57 PM

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I think we all are to a certain degree.

**diabolical_Tanya** · 09-08-2009, 05:34 PM

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http://www.passive-agressive.com/

**diabolical_Tanya** · 09-08-2009, 05:40 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FROM: Kaplan, H.I. & Saddock, B.J. (1997) SYNOPSIS OF PSYCHIATRY, 8th ed. Baltimore: Williams & Wilkins

The following is an excerpt from the above:

PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE PERSONALITY DISORDER

People with PAPD are characterized by covert obstructionism, procrastination, stubbornness, and inefficiency. Such behavior is a manifestation of passively expressed underlying aggression. In the DSM-IV the disorder is also called negativistic PD.

CLINICAL FEATURES

PAPD patients characteristically procrastinate, resist demands for adequate performance, find excuses for delays, and find fault with those on whom they depend; yet they refuse to extricate themselves from the dependent relationships. They usually lack assertiveness and are not direct about their own needs and wishes. They fail to ask needed questions about what is expected of them and may become anxious when forced to succeed or when their usual defense of turning anger against themselves is removed. </div></div>

**diabolical_Tanya** · 09-08-2009, 05:45 PM

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This is the "condensed" version. For the expanded version please see Dr. Wetzler's book, pages 35-37......
*FEAR OF DEPENDENCY - Unsure of his autonomy & afraid of being alone, he fights his dependency needs - usually by trying to control you.

*FEAR OF INTIMACY - Guarded & often mistrusful, he is reluctant to show his emotional fragility. He's often out of touch with his feelings, reflexively denying feelings he thinks will "trap" or reveal him, like love. He picks fights to create distance.

*FEAR OF COMPETITION - Feeling inadequate, he is unable to compete with other men in work and love. He may operate either as a self-sabotaging wimp with a pattern of failure, or he'll be the tyrant, setting himself up as unassailable and perfect, needing to eliminate any threat to his power.

*OBSTRUCTIONISM - Just tell a p/a man what you want, no matter how small, and he may promise to get it for you. But he won't say when, and he"ll do it deliberately slowly just to frustrate you. Maybe he won't comply at all. He blocks any real progress he sees to your getting your way.

*FOSTERING CHAOS - The p/a man prefers to leave the puzzle incomplete, the job undone.

*FEELING VICTIMIZED - The p/a man protests that others unfairly accuse him rather than owning up to his own misdeeds. To remain above reporach, he sets himself up as the apparently hapless, innocent victim of your excessive demands and tirades.

*MAKING EXCUSES & LYING - The p/a man reaches as far as he can to fabricate excuses for not fulfilling promises. As a way of withholding information, affirmation or love - to have power over you - the p/a man may choose to make up a story rather than give you a straight answer.

*PROCRASTINATION - The p/a man has an odd sense of time - he believes that deadlines don't exist for him.

*CHRONIC LATENESS & FORGETFULNESS - One of the most infuriating & inconsiderate of all p/a traits is his inability to arrive on time. By keeping you waiting, he sets the ground rules of the relationship. And his selective forgetting - used only when he wants to avoid an obligation.

*AMBIGUITY - He is master of mixed messages and sitting on fences. When he tells you something, you may still walk away wondering if he actually said yes or no.

*SULKING - Feeling put upon when he is unable to live up to his promises or obligations, the p/a man retreats from pressures around him and sulks, pouts and withdraws.

A passive-aggressive man won't have every single one of these traits, but he'll have many of them. He may have other traits as well, which are not passive-aggressive

**halfwaytree** · 09-09-2009, 12:40 AM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dear_DiabolicalT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is the "condensed" version. For the expanded version please see Dr. Wetzler's book, pages 35-37......
*FEAR OF DEPENDENCY - Unsure of his autonomy & afraid of being alone, he fights his dependency needs - usually by trying to control you.

*FEAR OF INTIMACY - Guarded & often mistrusful, he is reluctant to show his emotional fragility. He's often out of touch with his feelings, reflexively denying feelings he thinks will "trap" or reveal him, like love. He picks fights to create distance.

*FEAR OF COMPETITION - Feeling inadequate, he is unable to compete with other men in work and love. He may operate either as a self-sabotaging wimp with a pattern of failure, or he'll be the tyrant, setting himself up as unassailable and perfect, needing to eliminate any threat to his power.

*OBSTRUCTIONISM - Just tell a p/a man what you want, no matter how small, and he may promise to get it for you. But he won't say when, and he"ll do it deliberately slowly just to frustrate you. Maybe he won't comply at all. He blocks any real progress he sees to your getting your way.

*FOSTERING CHAOS - The p/a man prefers to leave the puzzle incomplete, the job undone.

*FEELING VICTIMIZED - The p/a man protests that others unfairly accuse him rather than owning up to his own misdeeds. To remain above reporach, he sets himself up as the apparently hapless, innocent victim of your excessive demands and tirades.

*MAKING EXCUSES & LYING - The p/a man reaches as far as he can to fabricate excuses for not fulfilling promises. As a way of withholding information, affirmation or love - to have power over you - the p/a man may choose to make up a story rather than give you a straight answer.

*PROCRASTINATION - The p/a man has an odd sense of time - he believes that deadlines don't exist for him.

*CHRONIC LATENESS & FORGETFULNESS - One of the most infuriating & inconsiderate of all p/a traits is his inability to arrive on time. By keeping you waiting, he sets the ground rules of the relationship. And his selective forgetting - used only when he wants to avoid an obligation.

*AMBIGUITY - He is master of mixed messages and sitting on fences. When he tells you something, you may still walk away wondering if he actually said yes or no.

*SULKING - Feeling put upon when he is unable to live up to his promises or obligations, the p/a man retreats from pressures around him and sulks, pouts and withdraws.

A passive-aggressive man won't have every single one of these traits, but he'll have many of them. He may have other traits as well, which are not passive-aggressive
</div></div>

Thanks for this!

Does not look like he has any of these traits (maybe a little of #2) so I will stop worrying about him.

**Suesumba** · 09-09-2009, 10:38 AM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Curmudgeon_Milo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Is that a condition that needs addressing by a therapist, councilor, shrink (whatever) or is it just a personality type and that is just the way God made him? </div></div>

nah. boot to the head. it's a learned behaviour. it's a way of getting what you want without being direct i.e. manipulation.

**Boricua_papi** · 09-09-2009, 11:33 AM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SueSumba</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Curmudgeon_Milo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Is that a condition that needs addressing by a therapist, councilor, shrink (whatever) or is it just a personality type and that is just the way God made him? </div></div>

nah. boot to the head. it's a learned behaviour. it's a way of getting what you want without being direct i.e. manipulation. </div></div>

Perhaps but you would be more convincing if you posted a pic in scanty attire.

**Suesumba** · 09-09-2009, 12:13 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: B_P</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Perhaps but you would be more convincing if you posted a pic in scanty attire. </div></div>

what do you mean?

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