Staying out of Church Politics

[twiney]

Re: Staying out of Church Politics

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Matthew 10:10:

Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

1 Timothy 5:18:

For the scripture saith, thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

1 Corinthians 9:14

Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.</div></div>

If the man is full-time pastor then he should be paid a living wage so he can take care of his family and have something to help those in need... When him pickney them hungry then the same church people them a chat him It annoys me when people are expected to give full service and then we think it a crime to compensate them.

Nylah at least you are doing what you need to do...

[Boopie2]

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1 Timothy 5:8 ...Certainly if anyone does not provide for those who are his own, and especially for those who are members of his household, he has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith.

So exactly what is he doing church wise for 50 to 60 hours a day, while the congregation is at work? There has to be a balance. So not only is his family starving physically but also spiritually if he's not home. The Bible gives example after example of men serving God as well as taking care of their familes.


Just take a look at all these big time so called preachers sucking up the congregation's money buying expensive cars, clothes houses trips etc. Many in the same congregation are so poor. I had a friend who was always doing this and that for her church the moment she took sick, wasn't doing well with her finances. You think anybody came by to check on her? She did get a call but it was only because her money envelope wasn't in their hands. When she went to these same ones, nobody could help her.

[twiney]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Boopie2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1 Timothy 5:8 ...Certainly if anyone does not provide for those who are his own, and especially for those who are members of his household, he has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith.

So exactly what is he doing church wise for 50 to 60 hours a day, while the congregation is at work? There has to be a balance. So not only is his family starving physically but also spiritually if he's not home. The Bible gives example after example of men serving God as well as taking care of their familes.


<span style="font-weight: bold">Just take a look at all these big time so called preachers sucking up the congregation's money buying expensive cars, clothes houses trips etc. Many in the same congregation are so poor.</span> I had a friend who was always doing this and that for her church the moment she took sick, wasn't doing well with her finances. You think anybody came by to check on her? She did get a call but it was only because her money envelope wasn't in their hands. When she went to these same ones, nobody could help her. </div></div>

Therein lies the difference of our opinion, these men were not part of the discussion here... This is his full-time job. Are you a member of church? Most churches I know with a full-time pastor have an office where they do counselling and all manner of other things ... yes a full-time job ... the people are at work and expect him to be available to them full-time visiting them and praying with them etc... If they arent willing to pay him a decent wage then they should forget about having a full-time pastor so he can work part-time.

[H_O]

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how about:
Staying out of Church-Period!

[Nylah]

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I'm not gonna get into a discussion about money cause that wasnt the point of my thread.

I sat on the board. I know how things really run and that is that.

It isnt a poor church and no one is driving a 100K car on the ministral team. And if you have to ask what he does with his time with a congregation of more than a 100 ppl then I cant say anymore.

No amount of scripture is going to change the basic facts of what I know.

[mountaingal]

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why can't he get a job at another church that pays better? seems the congregation is taking him for granted.

[Peasie]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what would you do? Would u step up, deal with any crap that might come your way, and help with the food hamper for the family's sake. Or would you tell this woman to go about her business in a polite way and stay out of it?

I want to tell her to not ask for my input but I truly feel bad for doing so.</div></div>

I would tell this woman that you are not able to help organize this for the church at this time, but you would be happy to make a donation.

If she persists in asking you why? or pleading with you to help out, I would have to tell her that you are not comfortable with this right now and she will need to accept your position.

I know you can do this, likkle sister

[Nylah]

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Thanks Big Sis

I needed a shot in the arm over this. I am waiting to see what my friend says as well. But the more I think on it I wont do anything more than what u said below.

MGee - he has considered leaving time and time again and they convince he to stay Also, he planted the church so I know there is a strong emotional attachment there. Walking away isnt easy but I dont think his wife would cry about it if he did

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Peasie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what would you do? Would u step up, deal with any crap that might come your way, and help with the food hamper for the family's sake. Or would you tell this woman to go about her business in a polite way and stay out of it?

I want to tell her to not ask for my input but I truly feel bad for doing so.</div></div>

I would tell this woman that you are not able to help organize this for the church at this time, but you would be happy to make a donation.

If she persists in asking you why? or pleading with you to help out, I would have to tell her that you are not comfortable with this right now and she will need to accept your position.

I know you can do this, likkle sister </div></div>

[Boopie2]

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ok I'm staying out of church politics.

[Emperah]

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[Nylah]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div>

ditto