sintinn wrang widd battered oomen

[blugiant]

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I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are merely asking a question to start a dialogue on the top. Despite some of the mind-blowing stuff that you've written on this site, I will give you the benefit of the doubt that there is no way you believe that a victim (woman or man) deserves to be beaten by their partners.

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compry mii neva knoo mii blow yu mine sumtime. sooanwsa da qwestian ann stapptrii fii mekk diss bout mii. oomen dat yu kno dat gitt battared doo yu sinnting wrang widd dem

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No. However if they allow the man to do it a second time, there is definitely something wrong with them. Goes for the men who are beaten as well.

What do you think? Is something wrong with men who get a beaten by their women?

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mii friend shii consell battared oomen ann yu shood ear oww frustrated shii gitt wen mannee battared leff da mann wey use fii battar dem ann tekk upp widd annada man wey battared dem. soo da qwestian iss y soo manee woomen wey gitt battared choose annada man wey battared. fii deni dat manee battared oomen goo fram wan badd relationshipp too a nexx battarinn relationship iss fii deni dat manee aff dem oomen ave prablem

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What would you say is 'wrong' with them?

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iff a yuth gitt licks fram dem parents peeps wood ask y da parents give dem licks instead aff seyinn dat de parents ave noo reason? wen oomen gitt licks peeps automaticallee blame da man even dough dem knoo dat oomen sumtime insteegate.

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So women who are beaten to a pulp, set on fire, their bones broken, burned with acid, shot, and murdered are just like misbehaving children who deserve what's coming to them ?

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yu gawn like oomen ar natt dee wan moas likelee fii pikk upp ting fii use. a latt aff thyme dem same ting dem pikk upp fii use gitt tunn pon dem. a latt aff misbehavinn yuths cum fram battarinn houses soo like itt ar natt dear iss a link

[blugiant]

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Now as for a man disciplining his wife/girlfriend, that is a BIG NO NO. He is not her father. She is already grown. Any man who hits a woman is a weak individual who doesn’t know how to express himself other than through violence. Yes, some women can be very aggregating. But if you are not man enough to calm her down when she gets like that without raising your fist then you need to leave that woman because its obvious that you are man enough for HER. You need to find someone else that you are more compatible with.

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Yes indeed. if you can't USE WORDS (like I tell my kids) then you shouldn't be there....no excuse to get physical, none at all.

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wat a ting use wurd yu sey butt noh dem wurds wey start tings

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What would you say is 'wrong' with them?

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iff a yuth gitt licks fram dem parents peeps wood ask y da parents give dem licks instead aff seyinn dat de parents ave noo reason? wen oomen gitt licks peeps automaticallee blame da man even dough dem knoo dat oomen sumtime insteegate.

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So women who are beaten to a pulp, set on fire, their bones broken, burned with acid, shot, and murdered are just like misbehaving children who deserve what's coming to them ?

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shake me head to rhatid. yuh know say me did even generous enough fi think him might mean woman who stay with men after the first beaten to the point of being constantly abused my have low self-esteem? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

no sah! blu, yuh try noh impart dem nonsence to ppl pickney [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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diss mekk mii laff. itt wood bee intarestinn fii anwsa yu ear butt mii lipps seal cah mii cyaan chatt bout prrafessional. woo betta fii deal widd itt dan mii cyaan mii neva lick aa ooman ann mii now fii keep mii kool

[tsophra]

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like itt ar natt sintinn wong widd a latt aff oommen wey gitt battared.

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"A victim of domestic violence may act in ways that seem incomprehensible to people not aware of the dynamics of abuse. Many people believe that the victim of violence must somehow have invited it, encouraged it, or even found some kind of satisfaction from it."

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cho..post de whole ting nu man..aye sah!


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A victim of domestic violence will often lose the ability to view other people's behavior in an objective or neutral light. A victim loses the ability to trust other people. Thus, he or she often feels isolated. Many people believe that the victim of violence must somehow have invited it, encouraged it, or even found some kind of satisfaction from it. No victim likes to be abused. Victims have the same expectations of love, trust and a fulfilling relationship, as we all do.

Studies show in more than half of all battering incidents, the batterer is under the influence of alcohol or drugs. While drugs and alcohol do not cause the violence, they are often used as an excuse for the violence.


Batterers are not all the same. Some also commit other crimes; they may have a long history of disobeying the law and violent behavior. Others may respond to psycho-educational programs that help them learn about proper sex-role socialization, anger and violence management, and advance techniques that can be used to effectively eliminate violence in their relationships .


The National Institute for Criminal Justice Statistics data indicate that 70% of all reported incidents of domestic violence take place after separation from the batterer. Although, from 1976-1987, 38,648 individuals aged 16 and older were killed by their partners. More victims are killed by their male partners who previously abused them, and 39% were men killed by their female partners.


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[rufian]

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put it dis way, dem wrong fe each other

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No. However if they allow the man to do it a second time, there is definitely something wrong with them.


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[Yvonne N.]

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Right Sukuna; dats how mi seet tuh!

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No. However if they allow the man to do it a second time, there is definitely something wrong with them.


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Wrong. My sarcastic response was made only to Blugiant and you will note that in each post I have been asking Blugiant for his opinion on men being battered.

I would hope that any sensible person would know better than to blame a victim. I have seen first hand the tragic results of being abused.

[Suesumba]

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iss dear sintinn wrang widd battared oomen? doo battared oomen deserved annee aff da blame

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[julie*mango]

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Unfortunately Blu...the reality is some women need a man to beat them in order to believe that they love them. Those are the women that need help. If a woman gets hit once and leaves then nothing is wrong with her but the fact that she had a worthless man. If she stays then you know she has a problem. And alot of women are afraid to leave for reasons such as decline in economic standard of living, worse if they have children with their abusers. But please do not generalise and say that something is wrong with a battered woman. Some are just in an unfortunate predicament.

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Thank you. Thats what I was trying to say in my post last post. Why would you want to be with someone (man or woman) who would drive you to violence.

[blugiant]

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No. However if they allow the man to do it a second time, there is definitely something wrong with them.


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diss mekk mii laff

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"The term "battered woman syndrome" creates an image of pathology.


Battered woman syndrome language creates a stereotyped image of pathology. A woman characterized as suffering from battered woman syndrome may be viewed as flawed, damaged, disordered, or abnormal in some way. Although it is true that many battered victims suffer negative effects of battering, syndrome language necessarily places the emphasis on pathology, not on the whole picture that also includes the battered woman's strengths and efforts, as well as other's responses to the situation. Notably, a battered victim's normal reaction of fear or anger can be the most important issue for explaining her state of mind at the time of an alleged crime or for understanding her motivation for other behavior. Further, it may be essential to explain the apparent absence of fear, for example, by considering how cultural factors influence the manner of emotional expression. An expert witnesses' attempt to refocus attention away from pathology after having invoked the concept "battered woman syndrome" can be confusing and appears contradictory. The term "battered woman syndrome" may inadvertently communicate to the jury or judge the misguided notion of an "abuse excuse." Use of the term battered woman syndrome perpetuates stereotypic images of battered women."

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Now as for a man disciplining his wife/girlfriend, that is a BIG NO NO. He is not her father. She is already grown. Any man who hits a woman is a weak individual who doesn’t know how to express himself other than through violence. Yes, some women can be very aggregating. But if you are not man enough to calm her down when she gets like that without raising your fist then you need to leave that woman because its obvious that you are man enough for HER. You need to find someone else that you are more compatible with.

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Yes indeed. if you can't USE WORDS (like I tell my kids) then you shouldn't be there....no excuse to get physical, none at all.

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If by "start tings" you mean a woman uses words and her husband takes the argument to the physical level because the words made him lose control, then yes, if you can't argue without resorting to violence then you shouldn't be there.

That is true for husbands, wives AND parents.

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"As Domestic Violence Awareness Month nears its end, organizations like the California Coalition for Battered Women in Prison are calling loudly for the mass pardoning of "battered" women who have been convicted of first-degree murder.

PC feminists should instead take a real stand against gender violence and abandon the Battered Woman Syndrome -- a legal defense used to exonerate women who kill abusive men in the absence of imminent danger.

BWS claims that battered women are psychologically traumatized and therefore not responsible for their violent actions. Thus, a battered woman is not held responsible for murdering her abuser in his sleep, as in the much cited court case State of North Carolina v. Judy Ann Laws Norman or in the movie The Burning Bed. BWS sidesteps the long established principle that only a clear and imminent danger to life can justify murder, especially the premeditated variety.

Controversy swirls over whether BWS even exists or is a creation of feminist politics. Whatever is true, BWS is a legal defense available to women and de facto denied to men. Both women and men should be held equally accountable for their acts of violence. The courts should not bar anyone from a valid legal defense -- but is BWS valid?

BWS is more than a demand for compassion. As a woman who was severely battered, empathy is my first reaction. But compassion toward a murderer does not justify her act. BWS is being politically used to make cause celebres out of women who make the most reprehensible choice possible -- the cold-blooded killing of another human being.

Consider the case of the self-confessed serial killer Aileen Wuornos, a prostitute recently executed by the state of Florida for murdering seven men. Wuornos initially claimed that the men, all killed within a year's span, were customers against whom she was defending herself. She later recanted and told the judge: "I am guilty as can be. I want the world to know I killed these men -- as cold as ice. I've hated human beings for a long time." Wuornos' motive was also robbery.

Seven human beings who were never convicted of a crime -- indeed, who were accused of one only by a murderess, thief and liar -- received private death sentences. They were dismissed by a media which would have eagerly examined every detail of the victims had they been female.

By contrast, Wuornos has been the subject of movies, a documentary, a play, and an opera sympathetic to the murderess and dismissive or hostile to her victims. The play, entitled Self-Defense (or The Death of Some Salesmen), presents the murderess as a martyr. She is a symbolic reminder that men abuse women. Lest anyone miss that message, the policeman who arrests Jolene Palmer (the Wuornos character) states his motives, "White, middle-aged men are at risk!"

The opera, entitled Wuornos, is a self-consciously political justification of murdering men. Pointing a finger of blame at Wuornos' allegedly abusive father and distant grandfather, the opera advertises itself as "the rage of one woman" speaking "for centuries of pain." Wuornos is described as "a woman who makes the ultimate sacrifice for the love of her life -- another woman." This refers to the fact that Wuornos had been persuaded to confess her guilt by her lesbian lover.

Such presentations hit hard upon the tragic childhood of Wuornos. But the goal does not seem to be compassion or understanding of the human condition. After all, no compassion or understanding is extended to the dead men or their families. The message is clear: the men deserved to die.

In her essay, "Sexual Violence Against Women and a Woman's Right to Self-Defense: The Case of Aileen Carol Wuornos," the renowned radical feminist Phyllis Chesler provides "statistics" and theory to support this message.

Without citing sources, Chesler explains, "According to contemporary studies, 90 percent of all violent crimes are still committed by men. ... When those women who commit 10 percent of all violent crimes do kill, nearly half kill male intimates who have abused them or their children, and they invariably do so in self-defense." [Emphasis added] Chesler's statistics do not seem to apply to spousal killing. The Department of Justice's "Murder in Families" study found "among black marital partners ... 47 percent of the black spouse victims were husbands and 53 percent were wives. Among white victims ... 38 percent of the victims were husbands and 62 percent were wives." It is also difficult to understand how Chesler knows that battered women invariably murder in self-defense, not in anger or for revenge.

I keep returning to the least discussed aspect of BWS. The men who deserved a trial before being executed: Were they, in fact, guilty?

Wuornos did not endorse the opera that eulogizes the murder of men, although she was asked repeatedly to do so. Before she died, Wuornos expressed great remorse for the pain she had caused the families of her victims. What does it say about PC feminists when a serial killer who hates mankind shows more decency than they can manage?"

www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=11