rape- some women ask for it?

[MrsBlue]

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but blue..move away from the revealing clothing bit..I don't think women ever ask for it

I question whether rape is always about power...at times it may be just that a sexual act forced on unwilling partner..but in the end really just about sex

[/ QUOTE ] <font color="blue">It's not about sex because sex is so easily gotten. It's the power of it, the "Who is this [censored] to say no to me? I'll show her."

Jah yout, I'm sure there are some idiot minded men that say things like that. Some of it is just stupidity, stupid comments made with the boys kind of thing. I doubt if these men are rapists or future rapists because they're looking at it from a sexual perspective. It takes more than sexual desire for someone to commit rape.</font>

[tsophra]

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but blue..move away from the revealing clothing bit..I don't think women ever ask for it

I question whether rape is always about power...at times it may be just that a sexual act forced on unwilling partner..but in the end really just about sex

[/ QUOTE ] <font color="blue">It's not about sex because sex is so easily gotten. It's the power of it, the "Who is this [censored] to say no to me? I'll show her."

Jah yout, I'm sure there are some idiot minded men that say things like that. Some of it is just stupidity, stupid comments made with the boys kind of thing. I doubt if these men are rapists or future rapists because they're looking at it from a sexual perspective. It takes more than sexual desire for someone to commit rape.</font>

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It may take more than sexual desire but I think its too complex to simplify it down to just one thing..power..
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The desire for a certain kind of sex can in some individuals can rise to the level of a compulsion, even if that activity is illegal, hurts others, and is self-destructive. For example, society recognizes that some pedophiles are incapable of stopping themselves. This is society's rationale for keeping them confined even after they serve their time in prison.

If someone has a craving for rape, is physically aggressive, has little respect for the law, has low moral character, low impulse control, and if the risk of getting capture slight, and the punishment for rape light, this person will likely have a greater propensity to rape.

There are also certain characteristics common to high-risk (male) perpetrators of child sex abuse such as themselves being victims of child sexual abuse, the repeated violation of their interpersonal boundaries as children, and unresolved crises in adulthood (Pryor, 1996).

One study of (male) and (female) serial rapists found that over 60 percent of them had themselves been sexually abused before the age of 10-12(?) (Lamb 1999 (pull in researcher)). These correlations, by themselves, mean nothing, but could provide possible paths for further rape research to those researchers searching for universal explanations for the causes of rape.

Some rapists assault victims in order to assert power, because the perpetrator is prone to physical aggression and wants to be able to dominate his/her partner during sex like an alpha-male or alpha-female.

Others aim to reassure themselvees of power due to social deficiency and an inability to develop romantic or even interpersonal relationships with females. This "gentleman/lady rapist" often attempts to treat his victim like a partner in a relationship.

And, a third common classification is the "anger-retaliatory" rapist who rapes because of a hatred for either women or men, an impulse control problem, and anger management problems. His/her judgment is often clouded by substance abuse.

Possible conditions which may effect a rapist

have emotional need to feel and act powerful/dominant during sex.
crave sadistic sex.
crave attention
feel unloved
take revenge against a husband or wife by raping a son or daughter
are pedophiles. See also statutory rape.
are flooded with hormones, and are overwhelmed with sexual desire. These rapists are typically teenagers who engage in acquaintance rape or date rape. [citation needed]
are sociopaths which find a "crime of opportunity," meaning a victim in a situation where chances of getting caught are slim, and/or the consequences slight.
are attempting to resolve inner conflicts with female or male archetypes
themselves were raped or sexually abused.
feel sexually inadequate. [citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_rape

[Gen]

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<font color="blue">Can we stop with threads that blame violent acts against women on something the woman has done? I said it before, I'll say it again.

A woman can NOT make a man hit her, rape her, anything her.

He ALWAYS has a choice. So a woman dresses in revealing clothes? Men are not beasts without self-control. In addition, rape is NOT about sex. I'm sure it would be easier to pay for it than to force it. It's about power, control and rage.

I refuse to even comment in that other thread. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70400-talktohand.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] </font>

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i know it sounds very bad but i've been with guys who saw a sexy female and seh dem wouldn mind rape dah ting deh...

but u r right...it begins in the sick minds of certain individuals

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and you still associate with these "men" [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70456-eyebrows.gif[/img]

[jah_yout]

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<font color="blue">Can we stop with threads that blame violent acts against women on something the woman has done? I said it before, I'll say it again.

A woman can NOT make a man hit her, rape her, anything her.

He ALWAYS has a choice. So a woman dresses in revealing clothes? Men are not beasts without self-control. In addition, rape is NOT about sex. I'm sure it would be easier to pay for it than to force it. It's about power, control and rage.

I refuse to even comment in that other thread. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70400-talktohand.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] </font>

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i know it sounds very bad but i've been with guys who saw a sexy female and seh dem wouldn mind rape dah ting deh...

but u r right...it begins in the sick minds of certain individuals

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and you still associate with these "men" [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70456-eyebrows.gif[/img]

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thankfully no one i know (that i know of [img]/forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img]) has raped...if someone i knew committed rape... i would have to bun dem out...

[MrsBlue]

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It may take more than sexual desire but I think its too complex to simplify it down to just one thing..power..
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If someone has a craving for rape, is physically aggressive, has little respect for the law, has low moral character, low impulse control, and if the risk of getting capture slight, and the punishment for rape light, this person will likely have a greater propensity to rape.


[/ QUOTE ] <font color="blue">I hear you, Arjen. But I think the highlighted part is just another variation of power. The part about moral character and impulse control may be accurate, but there are any number of things that someone like that might do and never consider rape. It takes a certain something else added to the mix. The part about a craving for rape, I don't know about, because how does one have a craving for rape unless one is a rapist or future rapist? </font>

[MeChrissy]

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~~~rape is not an act of sexual desire~~

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[/ QUOTE ]Not in every case, but it sure does happen alot.

So to answer the question of the thread.

Yes I think most times women call it on themselves the way they dress sometimes. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]

[kia027]

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~~~rape is not an act of sexual desire~~

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not even sometimes?

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No.

[neutral]

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<font color="blue">Can we stop with threads that blame violent acts against women on something the woman has done? I said it before, I'll say it again.

A woman can NOT make a man hit her, rape her, anything her.

He ALWAYS has a choice. So a woman dresses in revealing clothes? Men are not beasts without self-control. In addition, rape is NOT about sex. I'm sure it would be easier to pay for it than to force it. It's about power, control and rage.

I refuse to even comment in that other thread. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70400-talktohand.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] </font>

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i know it sounds very bad but i've been with guys who saw a sexy female and seh dem wouldn mind rape dah ting deh...

but u r right...it begins in the sick minds of certain individuals

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yu know some sick jerks [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70388-shameonyou.gif[/img]

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not me alone...everyman knows a few

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You`ve opened a big can of a-ss whooping here mate,take it like a man,..I dont know any guys like that.

[MrsBlue]

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~~~rape is not an act of sexual desire~~

sigh

[/ QUOTE ]Not in every case, but it sure does happen alot.

So to answer the question of the thread.

Yes I think most times women call it on themselves the way they dress sometimes. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]

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<font color="blue">Let me pull up "The Rape of Mr. Smith." Be back. </font>

[MrsBlue]

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"Mr. Smith, you were held up at gunpoint on the corner of 16th and Locust?"
"Yes."
"Did you struggle with the robber?"
"No."
"Why not?"
"He was armed."
"Then you made a conscious decision to comply with his demands rather than to resist?"
"Yes."
"Did you scream? Cry out?"
"No. I was afraid."
"I see. Have you ever been held up before?"
"No."
"Have you ever given money away?"
"Yes, of course--"
"And did you do so willingly?"
"What are you getting at?"
"Well, let's put it like this, Mr. Smith. You've given away money in the past--in fact,
you have quite a reputation for philanthropy. How can we be sure that you weren't
contriving to have your money taken from you by force?"
"Listen, if I wanted--"
"Never mind. What time did this holdup take place, Mr.Smith?"
"About 11 p.m."
"You were out on the streets at 11 p.m.? Doing what?"
"Just walking."
"Just walking? You know it's dangerous being out on
the street that late at night. Weren't you aware that you could have been held up?"
"I hadn't thought about it."
"What were you wearing at the time, Mr. Smith?"
"Let's see. A suit. Yes, a suit."
"An expensive suit?"
"Well--yes."
"In other words, Mr. Smith, you were walking around
the streets late at night in a suit that practically advertised the
fact that you might be a good target for some easy money,
isn't that so? I mean, if we didn't know better,
Mr. Smith, we might even think you were asking for
this to happen, mightn't we?"
"Look, can't we talk about the past history of the guy who did this to me?"
"I'm afraid not, Mr. Smith. I don't think you would want to violate his
rights, now, would you?"

[Tanesha]

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JY mi di write dis long sinting but mi cyan badda ***sigh** ...is like BigBluey seh it is not about sex

....because wi all know seh vajayjay a gi whe...buy one get one free....you wi more beg an get dat...dan fi beg an get money

[Tanesha]

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i know it sounds very bad but i've been with guys who saw a sexy female and seh dem wouldn mind rape dah ting deh...

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[img]/forums/images/graemlins/70402-thinking.gif[/img] and I'm sure his comment was met by laughter...and affirmative responses.....big pats on the back and a few bwoy nat if mi get to har fuss

Plenty a DJ have included these statements in their songs...shyte mi even jump up to a few [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70361-embarassed.gif[/img] but it makes me wonder if it is said in jest....meaning shi looks soh good mi wouldan rooks har...more than the actual brutality of rape [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70402-thinking.gif[/img]

[tsophra]

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wanda how JY would respond if dem was say dat bout im dawta, sista? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70402-thinking.gif[/img]

[MrsBlue]

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Plenty a DJ have included these statements in their songs...shyte mi even jump up to a few [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70361-embarassed.gif[/img] but it makes me wonder if it is said in jest....meaning shi looks soh good mi wouldan rooks har...more than the actual brutality of rape [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70402-thinking.gif[/img]

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<font color="blue">Which reminds me, is that what is meant here?</font> [ QUOTE ]

'serious mi haffi get yu tonight
haffi get yu body even by gunpoint'

---buju banton

[/ QUOTE ] <font color="blue">I always interpreted it to mean he would fight with the other man. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] </font>

[Tanesha]

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bwoy Arjenie yuh dun know di double standard wouldan bax im an im woulda get bex same time...perpective huh

yuh know I remeber this statement being said to me....after I brushed someone off...seh if mi noh gi im im wi juss tek ie den...by di same dutty bwoy whe tell mi seh it ago grow jhunjuh...

at the time I shrugged because I never thought he meant it...juss something dat dem cawna bwoy seh [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70402-thinking.gif[/img]