mzungu oomen sellouts tredd

[blugiant]

The data shows the Black men are ignoring emails from Black women and reaching out to White women.



How do you know that?


I am not drawing conclusions. I am sharing data and asking questions.



No this is not what I am doing.

wat da data showed iss dat sellout men pon dose sites ar lookinn fe mzungu oomen so dem ignore emails fram blakk oomen. iff da site date tell yuh dat sellout pon dose site lookinn fe mzungu oomen, y wood blakk oomen be sendinn out email to sellouts? ar dem lookinn fe rejections ar fe be ignored?

oww do i know? iff moas blakk men marry blakk oomen, den moas blakk men lookinn blakk oomen. da data fram dose sites represent too small aff percentage aff blakk men fe draw canclusion bout awl blakk men.

yuh ar drawinn faultee canclusions usinn flawed dat ann dat more dat juss sharinn bad data. same ting lonwolf was guiltee aff ann itt took imm a lang thyme fe ovatand mii arguments butt wen imm didd ovatand imm got better att usinn bad stats fe mekk imm pints more sound

[Tropicana]

wat da data showed iss dat sellout men pon dose sites ar lookinn fe mzungu oomen so dem ignore emails fram blakk oomen. iff da site date tell yuh dat sellout pon dose site lookinn fe mzungu oomen, y wood blakk oomen be sendinn out email to sellouts? ar dem lookinn fe rejections ar fe be ignored?

I repeat. It is only relatively recently that the sites have released this data confirming what I and others have suspected for a long time. Women including Black women truly thought dating sites would be helpful.

oww do i know? iff moas blakk men marry blakk oomen, den moas blakk men lookinn blakk oomen. da data fram dose sites represent too small aff percentage aff blakk men fe draw canclusion bout awl blakk men.

No one is drawing conclusions. I am simply pointing to data from a number of sources (dating sites, behaviour of successful Black executives, athletes and entertainers), speed dating events, singles events, and Christian singles events and raising questions. I suspect that some of the men who marry Black women would prefer to be with White women but the women won't even fawt pon dem because dem noh ave no money. White women tend to prefer White men but when dem cyaan ketch a White man dem will settle fe a Black man if im ave money and power. Not all but NUFF.

yuh ar drawinn faultee canclusions usinn flawed dat ann dat more dat juss sharinn bad data. same ting lonwolf was guiltee aff ann itt took imm a lang thyme fe ovatand mii arguments butt wen imm didd ovatand imm got better att usinn bad stats fe mekk imm pints more sound

I repeat I am not drawing conclusions. I am sharing data and information and asking questions.

[blugiant]

I repeat. It is only relatively recently that the sites have released this data confirming what I and others have suspected for a long time. Women including Black women truly thought dating sites would be helpful.



No one is drawing conclusions. I am simply pointing to data from a number of sources (dating sites, behaviour of successful Black executives, athletes and entertainers), speed dating events, singles events, and Christian singles events and raising questions. I suspect that some of the men who marry Black women would prefer to be with White women but the women won't even fawt pon dem because dem noh ave no money. White women tend to prefer White men but when dem cyaan ketch a White man dem will settle fe a Black man if im ave money and power. Not all but NUFF.




I repeat I am not drawing conclusions. I am sharing data and information and asking questions.

again tropi da data fram dose datinn sites do natt canfirm wat yu ann addar oomen suspected bout da dating behaviors aff blakk men cah itt flawed. usinn dat fram moaslee sellouts fe draw bad canclusion bout blakk men iss flawed

tropi pon yah yu see ann ear fram mzungu oomen woo marry poor jamaican men. plus mii see a latt aff mzungu oomen avinn mixxed race babies fe poor blakk mem: mixxed race man faddar fe xxample. sum mzungu oomen prefer da upgrade ova money.

yuh kno yuh still admittinn dat yuh usinn flawed data to mekk yuh pint so yuh argument is invalid ann unsound

[freedom-man]

[Tropicana]

again tropi da data fram dose datinn sites do natt canfirm wat yu ann addar oomen suspected bout da dating behaviors aff blakk men cah itt flawed. usinn dat fram moaslee sellouts fe draw bad canclusion bout blakk men iss flawed

The data is not flawed. It confirms what I and others have suspected about the behaviour of men on dating sites...not just Black men either...men period. How much this generalizes to the population as a whole is up for debate. I suspect it DOES generalize as I have seen similar behaviour from men at singles events. Now I am not speaking about Black men at singles events as there are rarely any Black men there.

tropi pon yah yu see ann ear fram mzungu oomen woo marry poor jamaican men. plus mii see a latt aff mzungu oomen avinn mixxed race babies fe poor blakk mem: mixxed race man faddar fe xxample. sum mzungu oomen prefer da upgrade ova money.

Ah have you seen some of the women..... No way a White man would want some of them.

yuh kno yuh still admittinn dat yuh usinn flawed data to mekk yuh pint so yuh argument is invalid ann unsound

No the data I am using is not flawed. It is accurate in terms of how men behave on dating sites and at singles events. The only issue up for debate is how much this behaviour generalizes to the population as a whole. I suspect it does.

[Tropicana]

This is the most recent study hot off the press and it confirms what data from the other sites has shown. It's based on Facebook's dating app.

A recent post by Jenny Davis over at the Pacific Standard suggests that “Online dating shows us the cold, hard facts about race in America“. In her article, Jenny discusses some data released from a Facebook-based dating app that figures out which people are interested in which other people on some sexual or romantic level. The data is labeled “unfortunate” in some respects, because there appear to be winners and losers, and those winners and losers seem to break down along racial lines. When it comes to mating, it seems that everyone doesn’t get to join hands and cross the finish line at the same time so that we all end up with equally-high self-esteem (I know; I was shocked too). To give you a sense for the data (and so you don’t have to click back and forth between links), here’s the breakdown of the response rates for people who are interested.

As anyone can clearly see, there are favorites. When it comes to the highest positive response rate, most women, regardless of their race, appear to favor white men, whereas most men, again, regardless of their race, tend to favor Asian women. In terms of the lowest response rate, women appeared to shun black men, whereas men tended to shun black women. Ouch. Jenny, using what I can only assume is that same “high-powered sociological lens” I’ve encountered before, concludes that this clearly demonstrates that race matters, and serves to counter accusations that we are living in a color-blind, post-racial world. As Jenny puts it we “fetishize Asian women while devaluing blacks”. Now tone doesn’t come across well through text-based communications at time, but neither “fetishize” nor “devalue” sound as if they have a particularly positive connotation to me. It sounds as if she’s condemning other people for their sexual preferences in that respect.
There are many comments to make about this, but let’s start with this one: apparently, there’s something of a no-win situation being erected from the get go. When one group is preferred, it’s a “fetish”, whereas when they’re not preferred, they’re “devalued”. Well, sort of, anyway; if she were being consistent (and who is?) Jenny would also say that women “fetishize” white males. Strangely, she does not. One can only guess as to why she does not, because Jenny makes no apparent attempt to understand the data in question. By that, I mean that Jenny offers no potential alternative explanations through which we might understand the data. In fact, she doesn’t seem to offer any explanation whatsoever for these patterns of responses. If I had to, I would guess that her explanation, if simplified somewhat, would reduce to “racism did it”, but it’s hard to tell.

I would like to try and pick up some of that explanatory slack. Despite initial appearances, it is possible that this data has very little, if anything, to do with race per se. Now I happen to think that race likely does matter to some extent when it comes to dating preferences, but the degree of that extent is anyone’s guess. To see why I would say this only requires that one understands a very basic statistical concept: correlation does not equal causation. This is something that I imagine Jenny understands, but it likely slipped her mind in the midst of trying to make a point. There are few examples to consider, but the first is by far the simplest. Most men, if you polled them, would overwhelming respond to women on dating websites, and not other men; women would likely do the reserve. This does not mean, however, that men (or women) “devalue” other men (or women). Similarly, just because people on these dating sites might respond to black people at the lowest rates, it does not mean they “devalue” black people more generally.But maybe we do devalue certain racial groups, at least when it comes to dating them. This brings us to the second issue: mating decisions are often complex. There are dozens of potential variables that people assess when choosing a mate—such as how much money they have, how much they weigh, how tall they are, their age, their relatedness to us, etc.—and the importance of these qualities also varies somewhat depending on the nature of the relationship (whether it is more short- or long-term, for instance). The important point here is that even if people are picking mates on the basis of these other characteristics alone and not race, we might still see racial differences in outcomes. Let’s say, for instance, that men tend to prefer women shorter than themselves as dating partners (the reasons for this preference or it’s actual existence need not necessarily concern us). If that were the case, provided there are any average differences in height among the races, we would still see different response rates to and from each racial group, even though no one was selecting on the basis of race.
Rather than just considering the direction the preferences in the data above, then, let’s consider some of the actual numbers: When it came to response rates, regardless of whether we were considering men or women, and regardless of whether we’re considering the highest or lowest response rates, black individuals seem to respond more often than any other group; sometimes around twice as often. This could be indicative of a number of different factors, though I won’t speculate as to which ones on the basis of the numbers alone. The only point is that those factors might show up in user’s profiles in some way. If other people pick up on those factors primarily, then race itself might not be the primary, or even a, factor driving these decisions. In fact, in terms of response rates, there was a consistent overall pattern: from lowest to highest, it tended to be Latinos, Whites, Asians, and Blacks, regardless of sex (with only a single exception). Whatever the reasons for this, I would guess that it shows up in other ways in the profiles of these senders and responders.

As I said, I don’t think that race per se is entirely unrelated to mating choices. However, to determine the extent to which it uniquely predicts anything, you need to control for other relevant factors. Does obesity play a role in these decisions? Probably. Is obesity equally common across racial groups?Nope. How about income; does income matter? In some cases it sure seems to. Is income the same across racial groups? Nope. We would likely find the same for many, many other factors.
In addition to determining the extent of how much race matters, one might also wish to explain whyrace might matter. Simply noting that there appear to be some racial differences doesn’t tell us a whole lot; the same goes for correlations of match percentages and response rates over at OkCupid,which find a similar pattern with respect to race. In the instance of OkCupid, a match percentage of 10% between two people corresponds to about a 25% reply rate; a 90% match percentage gets you all the way up to… a 37% reply rate. Even at around 100% match, the response rate still only lingers at around 50%. There appears to be a lot more that goes into mating decisions than people typically appreciate or even recognize. For what it’s worth, I would rather work to understand those complexities than pat myself on the back for how bad I think racism is.

A recent post by Jenny Davis over at the Pacific Standard suggests that “Online dating shows us the cold, hard facts about race in America“. In her article, Jenny discusses some data released from a Facebook-based dating app that figures out which people are interested in which other people on some sexual or romantic level. The data is labeled “unfortunate” in some respects, because there appear to be winners and losers, and those winners and losers seem to break down along racial lines. When it comes to mating, it seems that everyone doesn’t get to join hands and cross the finish line at the same time so that we all end up with equally-high self-esteem (I know; I was shocked too). To give you a sense for the data (and so you don’t have to click back and forth between links), here’s the breakdown of the response rates for people who are interested.

[Tropicana]

Online Dating Shows Us the Cold, Hard Facts About Race in America

People can say whatever they want, but when the selection criteria for partners are formalized through profiles and response decisions, we can no longer hide from ourselves.

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Quartz, a business website from The Atlantic Media Company, recently released data on the Facebook dating app Are You Interested, which connects single people with others within the confines of their Facebook networks. Quartz’s data are based on a series of yes-or-no questions about who users are interested in, as well as response rates between users, once notified of a potential suitor. The data show that white men and Asian women receive the most interest, whereas black men and black women receive the least amount of interest. The writers at Quartz summarize the findings as follows:

Unfortunately the data reveal winners and losers. All men except Asians preferred Asian women, while all except black women preferred white men. And both black men and black women got the lowest response rates for their respective genders.

As a sociologist, I am entirely unsurprised that race matters, especially in such a personal process like dating/mating. However, these findings may come as a surprise to the (quite significant) segments of the population who identify as color-blind; those who label contemporary society post-racial.And this is why dating sites are so cool. Social psychologists know thatwhat people say and what they do have little empirical connection. Dating sites capture what we do, and play it back for us. They expose who we are, who we want, and, of course, who we don’t want. As shown by Quartz, “we” fetishize Asian women while devaluing blacks.
With a schism between what people say and what they do—between what they say and what they unconsciously think—surveys of racial attitudes are always already quite limited. People can say whatever they want—that race doesn’t matter, that they don’t see color—but when it comes to selecting a partner, and the selection criteria are formalized through profiles and response decisions, we, as individuals and a society, can no longer hide from ourselves. The numbers blare back at us, forcing us to prosume uncomfortable cultural and identity meanings both personally and collectively.
Indeed, before anyone has answered anything, the architecture of online dating sites say a lot. Namely, by defining what can be preferences at all, they tell us which characteristics are the ones about which we are likely to care, and about which we should care.
Both the user data and the presence of racial identification and preference in the first place are revealing, demolishing arguments about colorblindness and post-racial culture.

http://www.psmag.com/culture/online-dating-shows-us-cold-hard-facts-race-america-71552/

[freedom-man]

She can't afford another child, but she can afford a lace front hair hat. A clear statement about her priorities...

[Tropicana]

Read my keystrokes...this is not the bun fiyah pon wigs and weaves thread. I have started a couple of these in the hair section and so have others. You are welcome to join in there and add to the fiyah I have already burned.

http://www.jamaicans.com/forums/showthread.php?71894-A-Weave-Is-Not-A-Protective-Style-It%92s-Just-A-Weave-See-more-at-http-madamenoir

Curious, were you abused by your mother or something...is that why you and some of the other sellouts hate Black women so much?

[freedom-man]

Read my keystrokes...this is not the bun fiyah pon wigs and weaves thread. I have started a couple of these in the hair section and so have others. You are welcome to join in there and add to the fiyah I have already burned.

http://www.jamaicans.com/forums/showthread.php?71894-A-Weave-Is-Not-A-Protective-Style-It%92s-Just-A-Weave-See-more-at-http-madamenoir

Curious, were you abused by your mother or something...is that why you and some of the other sellouts hate Black women so much?

typical bring up a black man's mother when he criticize the behavior of black women( i mentioned this in another thread). this is from the same woman who in the last month trashing black men for marrying/dating non-black women. whining about black men on dating websites choosing non-black women,. jumping for joy when black men having relationship problems with white women, etc as if she had any chance of dating/marrying them.

[blugiant]

She can't afford another child, but she can afford a lace front hair hat. A clear statement about her priorities...

diss annada tapic dat mii will bun fiyah pon cah mii doan like oww oyinbo kulcha stereotype blakk oomen

[Tropicana]

typical bring up a black man's mother when he criticize the behavior of black women( i mentioned this in another thread). this is from the same woman who in the last month trashing black men for marrying/dating non-black women. whining about black men on dating websites choosing non-black women,. jumping for joy when black men having relationship problems with white women, etc as if she had any chance of dating/marrying them.

Notice you dodged the question. Sorry you had a bad childhood. Don't judge all Black women by your unfortunate experience.

[freedom-man]

Notice you dodged the question. Sorry you had a bad childhood. Don't judge all Black women by your unfortunate experience.

i am not going to answer your question because my mother and my childhood has nothing to do with criticizing black women and their hypocrisy and insecurities on interracial dating. and i find it ironic that you telling me to stop judging black women when you constantly spamming the board trashing black men calling them sellouts because they are not dating black women.

[blugiant]

Read my keystrokes...this is not the bun fiyah pon wigs and weaves thread. I have started a couple of these in the hair section and so have others. You are welcome to join in there and add to the fiyah I have already burned.

http://www.jamaicans.com/forums/showthread.php?71894-A-Weave-Is-Not-A-Protective-Style-It%92s-Just-A-Weave-See-more-at-http-madamenoir

Curious, were you abused by your mother or something...is that why you and some of the other sellouts hate Black women so much?

wow tropi chattinn bout sumwan mom

yuh wrang

[blugiant]

This is the most recent study hot off the press and it confirms what data from the other sites has shown. It's based on Facebook's dating app.

tropi mii natt disputinn da data fram dose sites wat mii disputinn iss peeps tryinn fe applies itt to awl blakk men cah itt applicable to onlee da men woo use dose sites. da data show peeps aff da same rate usuallee stick tiggithar ann dose woo lookinn fe date interraciallee more likelee fe engaged inn online datinn fe meet peeps woo ar more hesitant to date peeps aff addar race.

da realitee iss diss dat sellouts ann mzungu playting usuallee interact ann dat wear dem relationship develop. peeps aff addar races fear rejection dat y dem more hesitant to approach ann date peeps aff addar races. doan reallee care bout sellout dating

diss tredd was basicallee ann attempt to look at da historical diffarances between sellouts ann mzungu playtings ann y mii bunn more fiyah pon mzungu playting/oyinbo men couplinn dan sellout/mzungu oomen