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Re: Can raw milk spoil or sour?
all organic matter spoils and sours
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Re: Can raw milk spoil or sour?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
all organic matter spoils and sours </div></div>
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Re: Can raw milk spoil or sour?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">all organic matter spoils and sours
test it urself </div></div>
I have read that honey cannot spoil or sour and it is organic???
True or false.Comment
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Re: Can raw milk spoil or sour?
honey is difficult to spoil if kept air tight.. but i have seen it rot...in a hive we had..
honey is brilliant stuff at healing.. in fact combine honey with dung and stuff into into the navel of new born calves that are infected by the maggots.. these maggots are epidemic in Jamaica.. though now I beleive they have more effective preventative methond that the method I mention above...
Raw milk will spoil.. and spoil very easily....I grew up without electricity.. and we had cows... We would boil the milk as soon as we milked it from the cow...then again in the afternoon.. to preserve it..
I know that if it was left out with out boiling it would spoil before lunch...ie it would seperate into layers.... and would go sour by afternoon...
our method had the advantage of forming on cooling cream on top which we would skim off.. you could havest two or three layers of cream... after each boil... the cream would stay fresh a couple days and from two days cream we would wisk the cream to make butter which could keep for a week....if it spoilt we would boil it down and extract the fat...took about half and hour of wisking for the butter to form and the butter milk to seperate.. it was not enough to use a churn to make butter.....
I drank alot of straight fromn the cow milk... and prefered it.. it seems the world health organisation reccommends boiling the milk.... there is danger that there may be infections from mastitis an inflamation of the udder and fecal material / urine that splatttes on the teats....
the lesson from that is that it takes alot of wood to boil milk.... and to live close ot nature without electricity is hard time, consuming...and having lived it I would not want to do it again... Still i did learn the best way to castrate a number of animals....shapen a machete and labour for a living...all esotheric skills....
what do I know.... jsut a sell out who still marvels at the convienece of electricity...Comment
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Re: Can raw milk spoil or sour?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">honey is difficult to spoil if kept air tight.. but i have seen it rot...in a hive we had..
honey is brilliant stuff at healing.. in fact combine honey with dung and stuff into into the navel of new born calves that are infected by the maggots.. these maggots are epidemic in Jamaica.. though now I beleive they have more effective preventative methond that the method I mention above...
Raw milk will spoil.. and spoil very easily....I grew up without electricity.. and we had cows... We would boil the milk as soon as we milked it from the cow...then again in the afternoon.. to preserve it..
<span style="font-size: 14pt"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">I know that if it was left out with out boiling it would spoil before lunch...ie it would seperate into layers.... and would go sou</span>r by afternoon... </span>
our method had the advantage of forming on cooling cream on top which we would skim off.. you could havest two or three layers of cream... after each boil... the cream would stay fresh a couple days and from two days cream we would wisk the cream to make butter which could keep for a week....if it spoilt we would boil it down and extract the fat...took about half and hour of wisking for the butter to form and the butter milk to seperate.. it was not enough to use a churn to make butter.....
I drank alot of straight fromn the cow milk... and prefered it.. it seems the world health organisation reccommends boiling the milk.... there is danger that there may be infections from mastitis an inflamation of the udder and fecal material / urine that splatttes on the teats....
the lesson from that is that it takes alot of wood to boil milk.... and to live close ot nature without electricity is hard time, consuming...and having lived it I would not want to do it again... Still i did learn the best way to castrate a number of animals....shapen a machete and labour for a living...all esotheric skills....
what do I know.... jsut a sell out who still marvels at the convienece of electricity... </div></div>
Yes it would sour, but not go rancid would it?
When it separates in to layers, usually three what are those layers called?
whey cream and curd are they all safe to consume without making one sick?Comment
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Re: Can raw milk spoil or sour?
trust me it can make u sick especially children...and other vunerable types..note i write can.. but if u have a fridge it wont go off as I explained from my proto iron age exsistance.
in a later iteration I did research into dairy products as a scientist... and there are a hell of a lot of bugs whos name escapes me in unpastuerised milk. We sampled before cleaning and after alomng the supply chain, with disinfectants, various disinfectants, organic, but this was thirty odd years ago... and the point is that there are a lot of bugs in unpasuterised milk....
. even in the most control circumstance that is indusrtrial farming there are alot of microbiological activeity... I shuddler to think of all the nasties I swallowed. this is why there is alot of training and care into how milk is processed and cared for....there are bugs left in milk however how clean the circumstances are, but without pasturisation the bugs increase exponentially....reason milk has a slight acidic from the lactose / lactic acid and bacteria loves it in a milk enviroment...
but my science is out dated....
. in the uk till the mid 90's u could get yellow top pints of unpasutised milk...the self life was always shorter....Comment
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Re: Can raw milk spoil or sour?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">honey is difficult to spoil if kept air tight.. but i have seen it rot...in a hive we had..
honey is brilliant stuff at healing.. in fact combine honey with dung and stuff into into the navel of new born calves that are infected by the maggots.. these maggots are epidemic in Jamaica.. though now I beleive they have more effective preventative methond that the method I mention above...</div></div>
Honey is also used to heal skin wounds, but older honey is less potent/good at healing, even if not rotted/spoiled.
I just wrote an article for a journal on healing skin wounds with honey.
Sugar is also good at healing skin wounds... but I've never heard of sugar rotting or spoiling.Comment
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Re: Can raw milk spoil or sour?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">trust me it can make u sick especially children...and other vunerable types..note i write can.. but if u have a fridge it wont go off as I explained from my proto iron age exsistance.
in a later iteration I did research into dairy products as a scientist... and there are a hell of a lot of bugs whos name escapes me in unpastuerised milk. We sampled before cleaning and after alomng the supply chain, with disinfectants, various disinfectants, organic, but this was thirty odd years ago... and the point is that there are a lot of bugs in unpasuterised milk....
. even in the most control circumstance that is indusrtrial farming there are alot of microbiological activeity... I shuddler to think of all the nasties I swallowed. this is why there is alot of training and care into how milk is processed and cared for....there are bugs left in milk however how clean the circumstances are, but without pasturisation the bugs increase exponentially....reason milk has a slight acidic from the lactose / lactic acid and bacteria loves it in a milk enviroment...
but my science is out dated....
. in the uk till the mid 90's u could get yellow top pints of unpasutised milk...the self life was always shorter....
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But since the dawn of man, have mankind not been drinking unpasteurized milk?
You yourself admits to having done so, with no ill effects....could it be a propaganda against raw milk?Comment
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Re: Can raw milk spoil or sour?
and until the end of the 19th centuary average human mortality was what ????
also milk was traditionally consumed within 24 hours of being produced....
as I indicated we milked once a day boiled the milk twice a day.... i should add we simmered it for 10 minutes.. if we did not consume it we fed it to the pigs and or the dogs we had.. the next day we milked again... we never kept the milk over night though we could I suppose.. but we milked again next morning... in tempeate climate this care may not have been nessesary.... We also added some salt.. that seemed to help
Again i reiterate there are bugs in milk that multiplies at an exponetial rate at room temperature ... cooling it will delay.. paustueration and or boiling will kill some but not all.. i would also sugggest you look the traditional restrictions of african scoieties on the use of milk.... i beleive there may be some stuff on it it liviticus....
your stomach diestive process has a high pH enviroment which kills alot of bugs but not all.. (thats why u can eat a banana but if u injected the extract of 1 banana you die...)....
again i reiterate milk unpastuerised has some inherent dangers....feel free to ignore...Comment
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Re: Can raw milk spoil or sour?
whichy moisture will hurt every thing....including sugar...Comment
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Re: Can raw milk spoil or sour?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">whichy moisture will hurt every thing....including sugar... </div></div>
I'm sure you're right.
Trust me - if you ever have an open skin wound, pack it with the darkest honey you can get (Manuka honey is best) and/or with sugar (unprocessed is best), and the honey and/or sugar will draw out the toxins and the liquid from the wound, enhancing the healing process, speeding the healing process by several times normal without sugar or honey.Comment
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Re: Can raw milk spoil or sour?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and until the end of the 19th centuary average human mortality was what ????</div></div>
In Europe 35 was consider old, not true for the far east where 60 was consider old.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">also milk was traditionally consumed within 24 hours of being produced....</div></div>
True
But whey curd and cream was used to make other products when left out for longer than 24hr.
Can they be eaten raw individually without
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">as I indicated we milked once a day boiled the milk twice a day.... i should add we simmered it for 10 minutes.. if we did not consume it we fed it to the pigs and or the dogs we had.. the next day we milked again... we never kept the milk over night though we could I suppose.. but we milked again next morning... in tempeate climate this care may not have been nessesary.... We also added some salt.. that seemed to help</div></div>
Yes once boiled, some believe it has lost all its long life potency?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Again i reiterate there are bugs in milk that multiplies at an exponetial rate at room temperature ... cooling it will delay.. paustueration and or boiling will kill some but not all.. i would also sugggest you look the traditional restrictions of african scoieties on the use of milk.... i beleive there may be some stuff on it it liviticus....</div></div>
Most of the bugs are said to be good for you?
The Maasai mix it with blood
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">your stomach diestive process has a high pH enviroment which kills alot of bugs but not all.. (thats why u can eat a banana but if u injected the extract of 1 banana you die...)....</div></div>
I have nor am I recommending or asking about injecting milk into the blood....same is true if you inject air into the blood.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">again i reiterate milk unpastuerised has some inherent dangers....feel free to ignore... </div></div>
Thanks for the warning
Did you get sick from drinking raw milk ?
or no anyone who has?Comment
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Re: Can raw milk spoil or sour?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">trust me it can make u sick especially children...and other vunerable types..note i write can.. but if u have a fridge it wont go off as I explained from my proto iron age exsistance.
in a later iteration I did research into dairy products as a scientist... and there are a hell of a lot of bugs whos name escapes me in unpastuerised milk. We sampled before cleaning and after alomng the supply chain, with disinfectants, various disinfectants, organic, but this was thirty odd years ago... and the point is that there are a lot of bugs in unpasuterised milk....
. even in the most control circumstance that is indusrtrial farming there are alot of microbiological activeity... I shuddler to think of all the nasties I swallowed. this is why there is alot of training and care into how milk is processed and cared for....there are bugs left in milk however how clean the circumstances are, but without pasturisation the bugs increase exponentially....reason milk has a slight acidic from the lactose / lactic acid and bacteria loves it in a milk enviroment...
but my science is out dated....
. in the uk till the mid 90's u could get yellow top pints of unpasutised milk...the self life was always shorter....
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Thanks
So my earlier question has been answered you suffered no ill effects which you attributed to your hardy constitution.
Did Your friends also consume this raw milk...do you remember anyone of them getting sick as a result?Comment
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Re: Can raw milk spoil or sour?
i drank raw milk 20 sec after it came from the cow....not stored....I was not allowed to drink it until I was 6
.... at which stage I would have been tolerant to the nasties that were in the background....bit like a innoculation.. and since I had no friends no one outside my family had the raw milk...
We never were given the first milk.. nor was the first milk collected.. first three squeezes went to the ground from each teat....... the milk teat and the udder was washed.. the udder was then milked dry. . the calf would suck.. then we would repeat the milk.. we were only allowed to have the third milk.. this actually was very effective way to minimise any nasties as if u milk that was stored in the lower part of the udder.... as this is the most likely to be contaminated by mastitis....
note we never drank it outside the pen where we milked the cow.... my old man told us this was the method that his grandfather... note they came out of the black leg kill offs in the early part of the last centuary and the anthrax related deaths at the end of the 18th centuary....
Again I given the microbiology I would not feed untreated milk to children, pregant women or the elderly.. nor would I drink raw milk from any cow I did not know or care for.. nor would I trust any unknown hand to do the milking...
Given the potential nasties I know that are in milk I would not reccommnd drinking untreated milk that has been stored for more than a minute...
but if u think it is a grand conspiracy then that is up to you....Comment
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