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both...had to cover African West Indian an European history in school...
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Re: Which had a greater impact on you....Slavery or Colonialism?
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Negativly or positivly and please explain why
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both...had to cover African West Indian an European history in school...
sarry mi naw mash up u tread...juss a wuk awf a silly mood [img]/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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now yu done know sey mi no mek silliness badda mi.... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] my answer would be both as well but for different reasons. I skimmed through the slavery thread..(it did kinda lang) and the thought came to mind.Comment
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Negativly or positivly and please explain why
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both...had to cover African West Indian an European history in school...
sarry mi naw mash up u tread...juss a wuk awf a silly mood [img]/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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now yu done know sey mi no mek silliness badda mi.... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] my answer would be both as well but for different reasons. I skimmed through the slavery thread..(it did kinda lang) and the thought came to mind.
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awrite,to be serious...the effect is like the triangular relationship of the trade back in the days....cyan cite one widdout di oddasComment
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Re: Which had a greater impact on you....Slavery or Colonialism?
Well what if there had not been slavery...say for example like how when the pilgrims came to USA and only had indentured servants who though like slaves after a time were freed. What if all the colonys had operated like that? what would the impact have been on us today?Comment
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Well what if there had not been slavery...say for example like how when the pilgrims came to USA and only had indentured servants who though like slaves after a time were freed. What if all the colonys had operated like that? what would the impact have been on us today?
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but u would have to suppose that they would own up to the terms of the indentureship...an rememba dat at the bottom of allllll interrelation is the race issue...Pilgrims were not wealthy people...were not necessarily at the top of the social ladder...yet , despite their fleeing to avoid such prejudices, they were quick to pattern their new society in said way....treatment of indegenous people...treatment of even other 'white'people who came after...u eva watch dem Bonanza an see how di Irish, etc were illtreated by odda white people...di Chinese were offered indentureship and stiffed at every turn...
the whole thing boils down to human nature...and the nature of things seem that once in charge, the formerly oppressed inturn oppress [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70361-embarassed.gif[/img]Comment
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Well what if there had not been slavery...say for example like how when the pilgrims came to USA and only had indentured servants who though like slaves after a time were freed. What if all the colonys had operated like that? what would the impact have been on us today?
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but u would have to suppose that they would own up to the terms of the indentureship...an rememba dat at the bottom of allllll interrelation is the race issue...Pilgrims were not wealthy people...were not necessarily at the top of the social ladder...yet , despite their fleeing to avoid such prejudices, they were quick to pattern their new society in said way....treatment of indegenous people...treatment of even other 'white'people who came after...u eva watch dem Bonanza an see how di Irish, etc were illtreated by odda white people...di Chinese were offered indentureship and stiffed at every turn...
the whole thing boils down to human nature...and the nature of things seem that once in charge, the formerly oppressed inturn oppress [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70361-embarassed.gif[/img]
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Ahhhhh...so you are saying lawd mi is having a seniors moment an can't remember is is big brother the george orwell book name???
But anyhow yes mi si yu point...but were there not some black people with the pilgrims who were not slaves? or am I mistaken?Comment
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Well what if there had not been slavery...say for example like how when the pilgrims came to USA and only had indentured servants who though like slaves after a time were freed. What if all the colonys had operated like that? what would the impact have been on us today?
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but u would have to suppose that they would own up to the terms of the indentureship...an rememba dat at the bottom of allllll interrelation is the race issue...Pilgrims were not wealthy people...were not necessarily at the top of the social ladder...yet , despite their fleeing to avoid such prejudices, they were quick to pattern their new society in said way....treatment of indegenous people...treatment of even other 'white'people who came after...u eva watch dem Bonanza an see how di Irish, etc were illtreated by odda white people...di Chinese were offered indentureship and stiffed at every turn...
the whole thing boils down to human nature...and the nature of things seem that once in charge, the formerly oppressed inturn oppress [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70361-embarassed.gif[/img]
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Ahhhhh...so you are saying lawd mi is having a seniors moment an can't remember is is big brother the george orwell book name???
But anyhow yes mi si yu point...but were there not some black people with the pilgrims who were not slaves? or am I mistaken?
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u know , i cyant recall if blacks came wid di pilgrims...apart from studying US geography, their history was not big in our curriculum bak home...good question...i muss go an see...now u have me curious ....sooon come ... ziiiiiiippppppppppppppppppComment
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Re: Which had a greater impact on you....Slavery or Colonialism?
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There were not any blacks on the Mayflower, nor were there any early black residents of Plymouth.
The first black known to have seen Plymouth was a 30-year old man named John Pedro, presumably a servant or slave.
He was a passenger on the Swan which arrived at Plymouth in the early summer of 1622 and stayed a short time before continuing on to Virginia. There John Pedro took up residence in Elizabeth City, Virginia.
There are no further records of any blacks in Plymouth until the 1643 list of men able to bear arms for the town of Plymouth. This was a list of men aged 16 to 60 who were given permission by the court to carry a musket within the city. One of the men granted this right was recorded as "the blackamore". In 1855, this list was published with a typographical error which joined this seperate entry with the previous man on the list, Abraham Pierce. This has caused some authors and historians to misread the record to say that Abraham Pierce, a passenger on the ship Fortune in 1621, was black. However, an examination of the court records, probate records and vital records of Plymouth Colony show clearly that Abraham Pierce was white.
The fact that the nameless man was simply identified as "the blackamore" in the list seems to suggest that in 1643 there was only one adult male black living in Plymouth. Researchers have been unable to identify his name, but some have suggested without much evidence that he was named Hercules Hill. The fact he was granted the right to carry a gun within the town shows he must not have been a slave.
The next mention of a black in Plymouth records seems to be a 1653 court record mentioning a "neager maide servant of John Barnes" who testified on her master's behalf in a lawsuit against John Smith. Blacks are mentioned more frequently following the 1650s, mostly named in court and probate records.
During the King Philip's War of 1676, a black named Jethro was captured by the Indians, but taken back by the colonists a few days later. In a subsequent court action, he was ordered to be a servant for two more years and then he was to be freed. Plymouth, for the most part, had servants and not slaves, meaning that their term of service was up and they were freed when they reached a certain age--usually 25.Comment
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Re: Which had a greater impact on you....Slavery or Colonialism?
blacks arrived in jamestown (virginia) in 1619 and they weren't slavesComment
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and there is this
PROJECT 2019
The "Black Mayflower"
American children are all taught the story of the Pilgrims and the ship, the Mayflower, that brought them to Plymouth Rock in late Autumn of 1620. The following year, the Governor of the Plymouth colony proclaimed a day of "Thanksgiving" to celebrate their first harvest in America.
On the other hand, little is known or taught about the blacks who arrived in the Jamestown Colony in 1619, more than a year before the arrival of the Mayflower in America. Jamestown, which was established in 1607, was the first permanent English Colony in North America. Although there were already blacks living in Jamestown prior to 1619, the arrival of approximately 20 Africans in 1619 marks the official beginning of Slavery in what would become the United States of America.
The following is the story of the "Black Mayflower:"
In April of 1619, the Governor of the Jamestown colony, Sir George Yeardley, sent an English ship named the Treasurer on a supposed "routine trading voyage." The Treasurer was accompanied by a Dutch "Man of War" ship. The Captain of the Dutch ship was named Jope. In fact, the Treasurer's true purpose was to act as a privateer and raid Spanish shipping and the Dutch ship was to cover its activities. Both ships were owned by an Englishman, Robert Rich, the Earl of Warwick.
While on their joint voyage in the West Indies, the two heavily armed vessels captured a Portuguese merchant-slaver ship named the San Juan Bautista. Included in the plunder taken from the Portuguese ship were approximately 100 Africans. The Dutch ship returned at the end of August of 1619 to Old Point Comfort (near Jamestown) with approximately 20 of the Africans. The Dutch sold most of the Africans to Governor Sir George Yeardley and the colony's wealthiest resident, a merchant named Abraham Peirsey. Smaller vessels smuggled the stolen Africans from Old Point Comfort to Jamestown.
The Portuguese had considered the Africans to be slaves. However, because slavery had been eliminated as a classification in English law, the Africans had to be legally classified as "indentured servants." Based on a census taken in March of 1619, there were already 32 blacks (15 men and 17 women) "in the service" of Jamestown planters prior to the August arrival of the Dutch ship.
There are indications that, after years of servitude, some of the 20 stolen Africans brought to Jamestown eventually obtained their freedom. However, unlike most white indentured servants who voluntarily contracted their services for a specific period of time, these Africans were not given such options and most of them probably remained in servitude for the rest of their lives. Indeed, by 1625, the Jamestown census listed ten "slaves." Over the next decades, the number of African slaves in the colonies would increase by the thousands.
Shortly after the return of the Dutch ship to America in late August of 1619, the Treasurer also returned to America and dropped off an African slave woman named Angela. She was the first African-Virginian whose name is known. The Treasurer then set sail for Bermuda with 29 of the original 100 Africans stolen from the Portuguese ship.
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(A great deal of research was required to piece together this limited information. Please make us aware of any corrections or additional information of which you are aware. Of particular interest is the name of Dutch ship that along with the Treasurer raided the Portuguese slave ship.)Comment
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Re: Which had a greater impact on you....Slavery or Colonialism?
and since i live close to st. augustine - the oldest city . . .
Usually when we consider post contact discovery and development of North America we think about the English settling at Jamestown in 1607 or perhaps Plymouth in 1620; but it was the Spaniards who established the Oldest European City of the United States, St. Augustine in 1565. In contemplating experience of Africans within the post Columbian context we again think about Jamestown, Virginia and Charles Town, Carolina. However, the first Africans to accompany Europeans in coming to the New World arrived not as slaves in Jamestown in 1619. Aboard ships with Spanish Conquistadors and Adelantados, Africans arrived as artisans, seamen, navigators and adventurers, forever establishing their presence in North America. In early 1500's Juan Garrido took part in the expeditions of Ponce de Leon in Puerto Rico and Florida as well as with Hernando Cortez in Mexico. Esteban joined Panfilo de Narvaez traveling through the Gulf Coast and the Southwest.
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and since i live close to st. augustine - the oldest city . . .
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u really mean dat dahlingComment
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some folks treated us like American Express cards - don't leave home without them - especially if work is gonna be involved [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70394-bawlout.gif[/img]
it's amazing how many Cook took to Hawaii [img]/forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]Comment
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amazing how the same history could have sooo many versions...wonder which is correct...dont u [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70402-thinking.gif[/img]Comment
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