Crosses and their symbolism

[rufian]

Re: Crosses and their symbolism

Originally posted by mountaingal:
[qb]

Originally posted by sukuna:
[qb]For all I know the cross in Obeah have not a single thing to do with christianity.[/qb]

maybe it didn't. and maybe it did.

I count 16 crosses in that veve. 6 on the vertical axis, 8 on the horizontal axis, plus the two larger crosses formed by the combination of axes and the penetration of the sword on the right side of the horizontal axis.

there are probably more that I haven't counted.[/qb]

Maybe you eat, maybe you don't

And I see 1 cross. The parson of our church was an obeahman before he got converted. Never mind that make his church have a huge congregation and never mind that the former Prime Minister used to call on him for consultation. So what did he do? All the stories and hymns we sang, did he take the church song to his obeah or when he got converted, did he bring the obeah in the church?

You counted 16 crosses. I counted 1. There are many other symbols there which you apparently do not know. They might cross but I do not see them as crosses. Their main meanings are not crosses, but something else, albeit everything which is crossing a path is sacred.

If my right hand is crossing my left hand does that make it a cross? Or is my right hand still my right hand and my left hand my left hand and they are just crossed?

[mountaingal]

Re: Crosses and their symbolism

you're hung up on the word "cross", Sukuna. Let me tell you what cross means to me: two lines that intersect in their middle. No value judgment, no imbued meaning.

Now, to Celts those two lines intersecting signified one thing, to Hindus another, to Christians something else, to obeah people most likely still something else.

But as a representation on a page, it is two lines that intersect. now, if you only see two lines intersecting in that veve, well...*shrug*

[rufian]

Re: Crosses and their symbolism

yes mg! in that veve there is just one entry point, one door, one passage. everything else is crossing, and are not crosses.

[EdisonShi]

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We (the beautiful Celts) did not steal anything from you (whatever it is you claim to be).D)

[rufian]

Re: Crosses and their symbolism

Originally posted by EdisonShi:
[qb]We (the beautiful Celts) did not steal anything from you (whatever it is you claim to be).D)[/qb]

So where you got the idea to make that cross then? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Why that celtic cross have so much bowels all over it? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[mountaingal]

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okay, Sukuna, I yield to your knowledge of obeah, which is greater than mine.

I'm talking semantics, you're talking semiotics - we were bound to go round and round each other... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[EdisonShi]

Re: Crosses and their symbolism

We got our cross from the devine inspiration of Allah. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[mountaingal]

Re: Crosses and their symbolism

Interestingly enough, Edi, I didn't find any use of cruciform imagery linking to Islam...curious...

[rufian]

Re: Crosses and their symbolism

Originally posted by EdisonShi:
[qb]We got our cross from the devine inspiration of Allah. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/qb]

THE CELTICS?????????

[Wahalla]

Re: Crosses and their symbolism

The Mithraics were known to make the "Sign of the Cross" just exactly like the christians and catholics do today. Additionally, the "X" shaped cross appears directly in the center of many of the ceremonial crucifixes of the catholic church.

[Simmy]

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See a pic of some Ethiopian crosses, I have one just like the one on the right, given to me by an Ethiopian priest.



Ethiopian Hand Cross (Right)
Bronze. Hand forged and etched.

20th century.
Priests carried hand crosses to give the blessing.

[rufian]

Re: Crosses and their symbolism

Originally posted by Wahalla:
[qb]The Mithraics were known to make the "Sign of the Cross" just exactly like the pagan christians and pagan catholics do today. Additionally, the "X" shaped cross appears directly in the center of many of the ceremonial crucifixes of the catholic church. http://www.sabbatarian.com/Mithros01.html [/qb]

And that is our Obeah.

Wahalla did the Tainos have anything similar to crosses?

[Simmy]

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Here's a pic of some Ethiopian cross pendants, I bought one at a museum that looks like the one on the right, made of silver. These are ancient, does anyone know anything about Ethiopian crosses and their origins? I do know the etching in the middle of the cross means everlasting life, as in an unending cycle.



Ethiopian Cross Pendants. Silver.
Late 19th-early 20th century.
Worn as neck pendants. A 15th-century imperial decree required all Christians to wear one. These were probably hammered from Maria Theresa silver thalers like the one shown here.

[rufian]

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Simmy you know they have animists in Ethiopia right? I say all crosses originate from Africa. Full Stop.

[Simmy]

Re: Crosses and their symbolism

animist: One who believes in the doctrine that all life is produced by a spiritual force separate from matter. A belief that all natural phenomena have souls independant of their physical being and belief in the existance of spirits? Is that you are talking about Sukuna? If so, yes, I know that.