What is the Church doing to prevent AIDS in Jamaica.

[PILOT]

Re: What is the Church doing to prevent AIDS in Jamaica.

Sex tourism as a matter of raw- explicit -wild promiscious behaviour is destroying the fabric of the community....the nude beaches, nude weddings, nude musical festivals, nude lodging facilities and all out vacation packages being offered to foreigners to come have a feel good time in Jamaica transmittingh Aids to our people, need to be address by the churches in Jamaica.

They have clout and were protesting against the, fleash pot carnival and nude weddings at the beginning, but soon quit as the events were staged. Where is the sustained campaign to protect the interest of the flock and the stability of the community. A mean, I am sure these churches are more persistent when they trying to fill the assembly seats.

Infact, during slavery in Jamaica the churches did fight for our freedom as a matter of human independence and it pains mee to see them sit and watch the community disappear into revelry, orgies and licentious behaviour.

The church have a responsibility to intervene in the nation, they are a spiritual institution and not political but the social mission of building up the community should mandate them to start rallying against sex- tourism as it is very much apart of the rise in AIDS cases across the north coast and all Jamaica. We are all in this and will be affected by this plague the longer it goes on.

[Dailybread]

Re: What is the Church doing to prevent AIDS in Jamaica.

Originally posted by PILOT:
[ .The church have a responsibility to intervene in the nation, they are a spiritual institution and not political but the social mission of building up the community should mandate them to start rallying against sex- tourism as it is very much apart of the rise in AIDS cases across the north coast and all Jamaica. We are all in this and will be affected by this plague the longer it goes on.

Pilot, I'm very moved by your emotions on this matter. Every movement is started by one person's idea. I believe that if you go forth and work with this strong desire to get the Church to do something that you will have a great deal of support. Maybe a part of the solution lies within you. This may be a ministry God placed in you.

[DC]

Re: What is the Church doing to prevent AIDS in Jamaica.

So let's talk solutions.
I think you have pin pointed some in your responses Pilot. What other interventions are there that the Church as a body needs to utilize to bring about a change?

[PILOT]

Re: What is the Church doing to prevent AIDS in Jamaica.

DailyBread said "Pilot, I'm very moved by your emotions on this matter. Every movement is started by one person's idea. I believe that if you go forth and work with this strong desire to get the Church to do something that you will have a great deal of support. Maybe a part of the solution lies within you. This may be a ministry God placed in you".

Thank you daily bread for seeing that me distressed by the threat of AIDS in my community...

on the note of mission, I think its always good when we all are prepared to serve but then the church leadership and infrastructure need also to provide the mission and the vision and tools necessary for me a disciple to partake in...you see it...

Kinda hard for a servant one though fi take on the world, I deh on here a try atleast sensitize the community of the battle at hand. Actually the AIDS epidemic has claimed one of my family members already and I think that is one too much. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

[Dailybread]

Re: What is the Church doing to prevent AIDS in Jamaica.

Originally posted by PILOT:
on the note of mission, I think its always good when we all are prepared to serve but then the church leadership and infrastructure need also to provide the mission and the vision and tools necessary for me a disciple to partake in...you see it...

Kinda hard for a servant one though fi take on the world, I deh on here a try atleast sensitize the community of the battle at hand. Actually the AIDS epidemic has claimed one of my family members already and I think that is one too much. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

So sorry to hear of your loss [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] .

Pilot, remember that no matter how small one sees themselves there is greatness within. It only takes one to make a difference.

As DC said

So let's talk solutions.
I think you have pin pointed some in your responses Pilot. What other interventions are there that the Church as a body needs to utilize to bring about a change?

[ohliz]

Re: What is the Church doing to prevent AIDS in Jamaica.

Sex tourism as a matter of raw- explicit -wild promiscious behaviour is destroying the fabric of the community....the nude beaches, nude weddings, nude musical festivals, nude lodging facilities

I am not a nudist, but it's my understanding that nude beaches, resorts etc have nothing at all to do with sex, they ahve more to do with being natural and open, etc. They aren't orgies.

[PILOT]

Re: What is the Church doing to prevent AIDS in Jamaica.

Ohliz, you don't think people who meet up at these popular hedonistic nude beaches, clubs, lodging facilities, while booking packages that include local escorts, don't go off to some secluded area and have a wild orgy party.

It happens, wether in large or small numbers it is happening in Jamaica as we speak.

The next thing is the over exposure of sex, using sex to sell tourism in Jamaica is unecessary to say the least. Innocent and vulnerable persons children, unemployed youths, are being preyed upon and exploited.

The marketers are using sex to win over a certain type of the market age- demographics.

The visitors/consumers from these markets see Jamaica as a hot and wild place to have and do anything they want. Thus translating into more risque sex, more std's and HIV cases>>> AIDS epidemic.

[ohliz]

Re: What is the Church doing to prevent AIDS in Jamaica.

No, I don't think they do. Nudist resorts in the US (we have one nearby) specifically prohibit orgies or open sex, in fact... they're very concerned that they not be confused with a Hedo-type establishment.

For many people, nudity does NOT equal sex.

Here is a web page for the International Nudist Association:

http://www.clothesfree.com/Why.html

It says in part: "There is such a thing as good nudity. It is not sex. It is about body acceptance, age acceptance, freedom, breaking shame, increasing self confidence and celebrating God's greatest creation.

Nude Recreation is fun, healthy and good for the soul. It exposes the whole body to the air and sun, and gives people an added incentive to be fit. It promotes healthy naturist family values. Unwholesome curiosity about the naked body, which is often the source of lust, will be removed; fuel for fantasy will be gone. Our children will grow up with healthy attitudes toward the human body and easily understand the changes in their own bodies. Their curiosity being satisfied will have an additional reason to say "no" to sex as teenagers. "

[Rev James]

Re: What is the Church doing to prevent AIDS in Jamaica.

Junor Tucker did sing a song" Words are spoking, there is no body to hear"

What can the church do? When people are pasing gas at God. One of my patients was dying of the same thing. I went to talk to him about his soul.
He told me to save my surmon for next Sunday. The morning after i went to see him. he was not thee. He was dead.

[Dailybread]

Re: What is the Church doing to prevent AIDS in Jamaica.

Originally posted by Rev James:
[qb] Junor Tucker did sing a song" Words are spoking, there is no body to hear"

What can the church do? When people are pasing gas at God. One of my patients was dying of the same thing. I went to talk to him about his soul.
He told me to save my surmon for next Sunday. The morning after i went to see him. he was not thee. He was dead. [/qb]

James,
I believe that what Pilot is referring to is something to prevent the widespread as opposed to being there after the fact. There are I'm sure many ways to do this but where does one start is the question. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[Tropicana]

Re: What is the Church doing to prevent AIDS in Jamaica.

Jamaicans are today busily searching for an explanation for the increasing numbers of persons coming down with AIDS across its north coast and urban centres.

While some are quick to make a link between the disease and activities in the tourism industry, health officials say there may not be a connection, but still many remain unconvinced.

Aw com'n they aren't being honest. One can plainly see how de runnins go in the tourist scene. I'm surprised it's taken THIS long for AIDS to take hold. I have never been a fan of tourism as a method of a country generating a large share of its earnings. The sex trade and sexual liaisons that often accompany it is just one of my many areas of concern about it. We can get into the others in another thread at another time.

[PILOT]

Re: What is the Church doing to prevent AIDS in Jamaica.

Ohliz in quoting the Nudist association

"Nude Recreation is fun, healthy and good for the soul. It exposes the whole body to the air and sun, and gives people an added incentive to be fit. It promotes healthy naturist family values. Unwholesome curiosity about the naked body, which is often the source of lust, will be removed; fuel for fantasy will be gone. Our children will grow up with healthy attitudes toward the human body and easily understand the changes in their own bodies. Their curiosity being satisfied will have an additional reason to say "no" to sex as teenagers. "

Ohliz is a pity you bring that site into the discussion, anyhow ohliz said

Nudist resorts in the US (we have one nearby) specifically prohibit orgies or open sex, in fact... they're very concerned that they not be confused with a Hedo-type establishment.

I hear yuh on the US situation however, in Jamaica the hedo type places that exist, clubs, hotels, lodging grounds along with escort service in packages, are not so passive. Sex tourism in Jamaica takes on a raw - explicit meaning as it is practice in private areas.

Ohliz it's because all these persons have been afforded the opportunity to gather at these spots-location, having been attracted here under the Theme of SEX and wild parties. And so local and visitor together are staging risque activities behind door while transmitting the disease and bringing it into more Jamaican homes.

That cannot be right, but we all sitting and no one is doing anything, why did the church originally protest against the mass nude wedding, why did the church protest against flesh pot musical fest like carnival, and why do they today protest against casino's being built.

Because they know of its evils and yet even at this late hour as the disease pick off citizens of Jamaica one by one. Aids is being transmitted heavily in resort towns where cruise ships and tourist fly in daily we the body of christ remain lethargic, luke- warm, illprepared to help prevent a outbreak from becoming an epedemic...or for that careless about saving a life....

[Tropicana]

Re: What is the Church doing to prevent AIDS in Jamaica.

Because they know of its evils and yet even at this late hour as the disease pick off citizens of Jamaica one by one. Aids is being transmitted heavily in resort towns where cruise ships and tourist fly in daily we the body of christ remain lethargic, luke- warm, illprepared to help prevent a outbreak from becoming an epedemic...or for that careless about saving a life....

Pilot, I know that I am going to sound awfully callous so forgive me in advance. There are few Jamaicans that don't grow up in the church. We KNOW that screwing around is wrong. From the way I have seen a lot of people carry on, it is hard for me to have any sympathy for them...sorry. We have always had our own issue with respect to sexuality because of the legacy of slavery. We all know that already. However, if we are going to as it were prostitue ourselves in exchange for the almighty tourist dollar, how could we NOT expect that there would be consequences?

[PILOT]

Re: What is the Church doing to prevent AIDS in Jamaica.

You see it Tropics, she said " We have always had our own issue with respect to sexuality because of the legacy of slavery. We all know that already. However, if we are going to as it were prostitue ourselves in exchange for the almighty tourist dollar, how could we NOT expect that there would be consequences?"

Thats the problem, yet to fix it wee the community including some members of the church have not been able and seem less than prepared to do anything to help those young innocent souls. Many people especially the youth are confused and are lost in the cut and thrust of making a US dollar or two vs upholding their moral christian values.

In the long run Tropics, if the gospel message is not fulfilled in practice, Jamaican christians may find themselves being a factor in the transmittal of AIDS because they were not prepared to help their brothers and sisters see the light.

[Tropicana]

Re: What is the Church doing to prevent AIDS in Jamaica.

Pilot, please help me out here. I may be missing something because I have not lived in Jamaica in a long time. I used to visit every other year. Unfortunately, I have not had an opportunity to return since my grandmother died a few years agao.. When I did live in Jamaica the churches and church organizations like Youth for Christ and IVCF preached STRONG messages about Biblical standards w.r.t. sexuality. Now, the message often fell on deaf ears, but it was being preached. Has this changed?