Is speaking patois to newcommers disrespectful

[evanovitch]

Re: Is speaking patois to newcommers disrespectful

growing up in jamaica we were told that patois had its place and its place was not in the school room...remember that the way u think is the way u speak and the way u eventually write....thank gawd wi had the distinction made that patois is a dialect while english was a language...that is why we can easily switch from one to the other with no apparent hardships...what i am saying is dat we can chat bad but if we fi write whe we jus seh fi odda non-patois understanding people, we can put it in standard english...i shudder when i help my nephew's friends with their writing assignments...they have become so immersed in ebonics that they stumble to be able to express themselves, orally and ultimately in the written form...that is the pitfall our parents wanted us to avoid...do u realise that there are people who now really believe that the word 'whore' is spelled 'ho'...not to mention the pronounciation...

[sistactry]

Re: Is speaking patois to newcommers disrespectful

Originally posted by Venn:
[QBWat mi doan like dowe is di assumption dat if yuh talk patwa, yuh is nat intelligent. [/QB]

touch me my girl.., [img]/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

exactly, dat why ms lou did suh popular, caa she did a mek it acceptable.., [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Nunya]

Re: Is speaking patois to newcommers disrespectful

Originally posted by Fern:
[qb]...
in adda words, di poster a say di whole a wi ole?? mi his nat ole, mi just well ripe

growing up in JA I wasn't allowed to speak patois to my elders either. mi neva chat such bad breed a patwa til mi buckup pan message boards and meet up wid some a di members. mi say some a dem can chat bad yu si. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] [/qb]

Ah choo! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] I remember pre Ja.com that there were a few Jamaican phrases that I held close to hi hawt - cawse das all mi couldan memba fram di lingua...

Den afta mi jine de boad, mi go drap dem eena one canvasation one time... de ol gruff dem laff affa mi... bout dem de sitn deh stale... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

And yes, I no longer spoke patois in my day to day life - until after this board.... BIG UP FI DAT!!! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[sistactry]

Re: Is speaking patois to newcommers disrespectful

Originally posted by Fern:
[qb] mi neva chat such bad breed a patwa til mi buckup pan message boards and meet up wid some a di members. mi say some a dem can chat bad yu si. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] [/qb]

a nuh lie.., [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

~~~waaiiieeee~~~ DWL [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

gwaan chooo Fern.., [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[LadyDayshah]

Re: Is speaking patois to newcommers disrespectful

I don't think you should speak patois to newcomers to the island/foreigners unless you know that they understand JA patois and they don't mind you speaking it towards them.

For those that don't understand,it wouldn't hurt to teach them a thing are two in JA patois because they need to broaden out and learn fi speak different dialect/language.They will get along even better with Jamaicans that way as long as they don't speak JA patois "catastrophically" (is dat ah real word???).

[Venn]

Re: Is speaking patois to newcommers disrespectful

2 points:

1. A ongle when we inna di WW fora dat wi should type inna English or will it be expected dat we dweet every weh...an if it's nat expected, den how wi agoh know wen fi diffrenciate? How wi agoh know when a non J'can will be reading our post fram when a J'can smaddy?

2. Most a wi know di difference between patwah an English an can undastan both.....das why it always canfuse mi wen mi hear J'ca ppl seh dem noh undastan wen 'mericans talk Standard English ....Is English wi did haffi learn an speak inna school, soh how comes some a wi noh undastan it wen wi reach a farrin?

[LadyDayshah]

Re: Is speaking patois to newcommers disrespectful

Originally posted by Venn:
[qb] das why it always canfuse mi wen mi hear J'ca ppl seh dem noh undastan wen "mericans talk Standard English ....Is English wi did haffi learn an speak inna school, soh how comes some a wi noh undastan it wen wi reach a farrin? [/qb]

a mussi real CUNTRY/BACK AH BUSH people dem whe probably neva guh ah school.

Dere wuz dis white cuntry girl inna St.Elizabeth [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] ,de type whe nuff Jamaicans cyan undahstan,and shi guh ah wun shap mi tink it wuz, and de lady ask har sumting in either Mild Patois ar Standard English.De girl neva comprehend.Suh wun bway cum by and repeat wha de store lady seh inna de RUFF,RUFF PATOIS dat de girl could ovastand.If de bway neva cum,de gyal wooda probably tan de an nuh comprehend.Merci!! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

[Fern]

Re: Is speaking patois to newcommers disrespectful

Originally posted by LadyDayshah:
[qb] I don't think you should speak patois to newcomers to the island/foreigners unless you know that they understand JA patois and they don't mind you speaking it towards them.
[/qb]

First off, wi a refer to visitor to di board not di island. If a new comer doesn't outright say I'm not Jamaican or I don't andastan reading patwa, wi naw go know. If mi know yu no andastand patwa, mi wi write/speak to yu can andastan.

If mi nat mistaking, JA folks do make an effort to greet and speak to visitor to di island so that they can understand aldoe some people accent maybe a bit strong, dem still mek di effor. seen?

[sistactry]

Re: Is speaking patois to newcommers disrespectful

Originally posted by Nunya:
[qb] - until after this board.... BIG UP FI DAT!!! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/qb]

u dun know rude girl.., [img]/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

big up ja.com..,

a dem bruk me out too enuh.., [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[LadyDayshah]

Re: Is speaking patois to newcommers disrespectful

Originally posted by Fern:
[qb]

Originally posted by LadyDayshah:
[qb] I don't think you should speak patois to newcomers to the island/foreigners unless you know that they understand JA patois and they don't mind you speaking it towards them.
[/qb]

First off, wi a refer to visitor to di board not di island. [/qb]

maybe mi word it wrong.dat's who I am referring to.
English should come first in the WW.If likkle more yuh si-seh dat patois will do just fine wid de person,den by all means speak it.

[ohliz]

Re: Is speaking patois to newcommers disrespectful

We are having class in WW, if anyone would like to help out:

http://www.jamaicans.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=004066

[evanovitch]

Re: Is speaking patois to newcommers disrespectful

Originally posted by ohliz:
[qb] We are having class in WW, if anyone would like to help out:

http://www.jamaicans.com/ubb/ultimat...c;f=3;t=004066 [/qb]

man and man use fi able fi smoke weed a dance ina brixton till cawpie learn di smell...buju did a sing bout 'bye-bye-bye ina ********* head' til smaddy translate...chinese did a smoke likkle opium till england people try force dem fi grow more....same ting a vietnam happen fi finance di war and now we have crack ghetto....get mi drift....kip we dialect to we self yah...next ting dem a go tell wi how it really fi chat [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Fern]

Re: Is speaking patois to newcommers disrespectful

Originally posted by LadyDayshah:
[qb] English should come first in the WW.If likkle more yuh si-seh dat patois will do just fine wid de person,den by all means speak it. [/qb]

What about other websites in the various languages of the world, you would ask them to change that for the sake of visitor who don't understand their language?

Like it's been said before, newcomers should state that they have difficulty reading patois.

[ohliz]

Re: Is speaking patois to newcommers disrespectful

Most a wi know di difference between patwah an English an can undastan both.....das why it always canfuse mi wen mi hear J'ca ppl seh dem noh undastan wen 'mericans talk Standard English ....Is English wi did haffi learn an speak inna school, soh how comes some a wi noh undastan it wen wi reach a farrin?

Americans don't speak "Standard English". I'm pretty sure that if you sit around with a few of my friends while we talk about Hookahville and custies in SUVs and wookies and how rolls are ruining our scene, you won't get it.

....so I found to be the case with my Jamaican friends sitting with us at the time. It would probably be the case for anyone that doesn't hang out in my circle of friends, actually. Everyone has slang and dialect. I can barely understand people from Louisiana and I've spoken mostly English since I started talking.

[Venn]

Re: Is speaking patois to newcommers disrespectful

Originally posted by ohliz:
[qb]
Americans don't speak "Standard English". I'm pretty sure that if you sit around with a few of my friends while we talk about Hookahville and custies in SUVs and wookies and how rolls are ruining our scene, you won't get it.

....so I found to be the case with my Jamaican friends sitting with us at the time. It would probably be the case for anyone that doesn't hang out in my circle of friends, actually. Everyone has slang and dialect. I can barely understand people from Louisiana and I've spoken mostly English since I started talking. [/qb]

My point in writing standard english in italics was to exclude any references to ebonics, broken english and such.