Another black lynching

[dahjah]

In Cinncinatti police beat a black man tuh death, dem even had de heart to release de video a it.

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[bigbooie]

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what? den how dat did'nt mek di news? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[halfwaytree]

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I saw it on the news this morning. You could not see the victim but you could see the police pounding away at him. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[Guest]

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Here's the story from the Cincinnati Post. The video is here.

Questions raised on use of force
By Jeanne Houck
Post staff reporter

Three separate investigations have been launched into Cincinnati's first death in police custody since Roger Owensby Jr. was suffocated in 2000 -- raising questions about use of force that provide a troubling backdrop to today's swearing-in ceremonies for the new City Council.
Three groups -- the Citizen Complaint Authority established by the landmark 2002 collaborative agreement, the police department's Homicide Unit and the department's Internal Investigations Section -- will independently study the early Sunday morning death of Nathaniel Jones, 41, no address available, after a struggle with police outside a White Castle restaurant in Avondale.

Police records show a woman called 911 at 5:44 a.m. to ask that paramedics be dispatched to the White Castle at 64 W. Mitchell Ave. -- near Vine Street -- because of a man passed out in the grass outside.

Paramedics who responded asked at 5:54 a.m. for police to be dispatched to the scene, saying the man was very much awake and "becoming a nuisance to the people here.''

Police Officers James Pike, who joined the department in 1996, and Baron Osterman, who joined the department in 2002, were the first to arrive for what was dispatched as a "disorderly subject'' run.

At 6 a.m. they asked for a Mental Health Response Team (MHRT) officer and a minute later, someone with a Taser.

But, police say, the brawl with Jones was already on and although MHRT Officer Michael Schulte arrived just minutes later, it was already too late to avoid a physical confrontation. Schulte, who shot a burglary suspect to death in February after the man grabbed the officer's nightstick and started beating the officer with it, was cleared by the Citizen Complaint Authority in its first major investigation.

Per standard practice, six police officers involved in Jones' arrest have been placed on paid administrative leave as the investigations continue.

Police brass are defending the officers' actions.

Lt. Col. Richard Janke said at a press conference Sunday the officers were forced to subdue Jones with batons and a chemical irritant because Jones -- whom police estimated at 5-foot 6 and nearly 400 pounds -- was slugging officers instead of obeying orders to put his hands behind his back to be handcuffed and arrested for disorderly conduct. Jones was pronounced dead shortly after being taken to University Hospital.

Much of the encounter between police and Jones was caught on video surveillance cameras mounted in responding officers' cruisers.

Two of the officers involved, Pike and Osterman, were treated for cuts and abrasions to the head and neck. Police would not name the other four officers placed on leave.

Meanwhile, Janke said it will be the responsibility of the Hamilton County Coroner's Office to determine what caused Jones' death and that police cannot say when that answer will come. But the coroner generally takes one to three days in these kinds of cases, Janke said.

Police would not say if Jones appeared to be under the influence of drugs, but Janke said the department expects the coroner to perform toxicology reports on Jones.

Janke expressed sympathy for Jones' loved ones, saying, "The loss of human life is always heartbreaking.''

But, Janke said, "It was a violent assault by a very large man,'' and, given the circumstances, the officers' actions' were "consistent with our training procedures.''

Cincinnati City Council Member David Pepper, who today will become chairman of council's Law Committee when the new council is sworn in at City Hall, said late Sunday that he will push for a "quick, transparent disclosure" of the critical facts in the case.

"The key is to get as much of what we know out as quickly as possible,'' Pepper said. "I'd expect we'd see some of that in the next day or so, while some things obviously will take a bit longer.

"The problem we've had in some of these cases in the past is that people didn't have faith in the process of getting answers, partly because it seemed to take too long. I hope we've learned from that.

"We need a transparent, fair and balanced process that gets to the bottom of what happened, and the quicker we get it, the better it will be for everyone.''

The Rev. Damon Lynch III called Jones' death tragic and said he would like to learn more about what precipitated the struggle between officers and Jones.

He will be watching the investigation, he said.

"I'm somewhat disheartened by some of the comments from some of the top brass in the police department that everything's been done by the book,'' he said.

Their comments, he said, "make an investigation seem perfunctory.''

Police Chief Thomas Streicher Jr. was out of town and could not be reached for comment.

Roger Webster, president of the local Fraternal Order of Police, was livid about how the officers involved in Jones' arrest were treated.

After the arrest, Webster said, police administration rejected his proposal that the officers be given 48 hours to collect their thoughts with their loved ones. They insisted, instead, that they officers endure some eight hours of investigative procedures with limited contact with the outside, Webster said.

The officers were sequestered immediately after the incident, read their rights and allowed to call only attorneys and clergy, Webster said.

"What criminal acts are you investigating?'' Webster said. "What did they do wrong?

"They were in a fight for their lives.

"And you wonder why they don't want to work. They don't want to work because they're treated worse than the criminals they arrest.''

Hamilton County court records show Jones was charged in 1998 with possession of cocaine, and he was sent to a community diagnostic and treatment center for examination and later evaluated for possible drug problems.

Jones, then living in Loveland, subsequently pleaded guilty to possession of cocaine and in April 1998 was ordered to undergo three years of intensive supervision in the in-patient program at the Talbert House, which offers mental-health, community-corrections and substance-abuse services on Victory Parkway in Cincinnati.

Janke said at the press conference Sunday that officers summoned paramedics back to the scene at White Castle after subduing and handcuffing Jones.

Janke said Jones had a pulse but was showing signs of distress. Janke said he could not elaborate on that.

Janke said not every officer on the scene struck Jones, but that Jones was struck only on the torso, not his head.

No one used a Taser on him, Janke said.

During the press conference, police showed a videotape of a portion of the fight captured by a camera in one of the cruisers.

In it, Jones is seen swinging at one officer, and the pair briefly falling out of the view of the camera as a second officer races to the other's aid.

The trio tumble back into the scene, and Jones manages to rise from the ground a few times -- once catching hold of a nightstick -- while Pike and Osterman strike him with their batons, screaming for him to get down and to put his hands behind his back.

Other officers run up singly or in pairs and some of them also struggle with Jones.

Janke said police intend to study videos from every surveillance camera that recorded Jones' arrest, and that they plan to interview fire department witnesses.

[Englan Girl]

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Heard about it on the radio at work this morning. No doubt the 'officers of the law' will be congratulated and promoted eventually

[championgal262]

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[sistagirl]

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I saw the video. This one will not go too far with the NAACP. The man was about 400 lbs! they will use this fact to show that the officers were in danger. Closed case, [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[dahjah]

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a dat dem a seh now, how it was so hard to subdue de man an how dem attack im an ting.
mi mussee si bout 5 lik wid dat bat een a de man hed [img]/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

if protests a gwaan mi tink mi should di deh [img]/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

[sistagirl]

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I know KD, and the man kept getting up! he may of had some substance in im to get up so fierce like that. It's sad but this one is not one that was totally unprovoked. Rodney King was down this man was UP and fighting.

[dahjah]

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mi nuh care im nuh deserve death caz a it.
A wundah if im did yt if im would a ded.
And what are the statistics on that?
How many blk ppl ded from police brutality compared tuh yt ppl?

[sistagirl]

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I know KD...I know [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Did they say he died from suffocation? I must of forgot areddy if they subdued him and then he died.. I saw that happen once..a black man stole some cigs from the store and the store employees chased him down to where he lived up the street. They got him to the ground and laid on him and he died [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] over a pack of cigs...

A year later the trial was comin up and of course the NAACP was all over it. He left a wife and three pickneys..The wife was on the way to the trial and got in a car accident. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] killed instantly [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I'll never forget that [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] *sigh*

I agree KD the man nah fe die.

[Guest]

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The NAACP has decided to conduct their own investigation into the man's death.

In 2001, the ACLU had already filed a lawsuit against the Cincinnati police force for racial profiling.

[WorshipRaiser]

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say whaat? Mi nevva seet ina de news eeda?

King D - I think "LYNCHING" refers to decapitation -

[bandido1]

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This should not be a surprise to most of us. The life of a black man in today's society still is not worth a plugged nickel! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

[dahjah]

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Nuff times de NAACP sell we out tuh suh we cyaan depenn pan dem alone.
Mi deh up nart pan a course if anyting gwan dung deh mek mi kno cah mi wi leff ya suh.