Christianity and Masturbation

**evanovitch** · 12-31-2003, 09:13 PM

Re: Christianity and Masturbation

Originally posted by britisha:
[qb] LOL at thisyah thread. I've certainly heard it all! [/qb]

an some u wish u hadn't...don't [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

**Fledgist** · 12-31-2003, 10:46 PM

Re: Christianity and Masturbation

Originally posted by Pepper:
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Originally posted by CEW:
[qb] There is a school of thought that suggests that because of the mental imagery required to carry out the act, i.e. most people engage someone else in their minds, that makes it 'wrong'. Some have argued mental imagery is not required, and in such instances, it is alright. [/qb]

IMHO, this is the only valid argument that I have heard against this subject. One pastor I know believes that the act of masturbation is not sinful, but the thoughts one thinks while engaging will most probably be sinful.

So, my take is, if you can do while while keeping your mind focused on godly things, then it should be ok. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/qb]

This gives new meaning to the phrase 'come to Jesus'.

**Guest** · 12-31-2003, 10:54 PM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fledgist:
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This gives new meaning to the phrase 'come to Jesus'. [/qb]

OK Fledgist, that made me smile but I didn't laugh.

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**Dailybread** · 12-31-2003, 11:12 PM

Re: Christianity and Masturbation

Originally posted by CEW:
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Originally posted by Dailybread:

I agree and not to get off track I will not focus on Onan. What is the 'Christian' thought on masturbation?

It really depends on who you ask! I do not mean to sound trite, but there has been all kinds of opinions and I have read material in which some Pastors encourage the practice. There is a school of thought that suggests that because of the mental imagery required to carry out the act, i.e. most people engage someone else in their minds, that makes it 'wrong'. Some have argued mental imagery is not required, and in such instances, it is alright. Another school of thought is that if a person do not know themselves sexually, and what pleases them, how can they expect another person to know, or communicate those things to their spouse (within marriage, of course).

It cannot be denied however that we are sexual beings, and for some - single and married, male and female - the practice seem to have its place for multiple reasons. On issues where the scriptures are 'silent', what is the guiding principle? I do think this is where each person has to decide for themselves the path they will choose, while being aware that as with everything else, they are personally accountable for whatever decision they make. There are some who would/could never do it for one reason or another. In some instances, some who have tried it cannot handle the resulting guilt, or have found it lacking, and choose to stop, while others seem to not have a problem. [/qb]

Point taken. Thanks, that helps a great deal!

**WitchyOoman** · 01-01-2004, 12:38 AM

Re: Christianity and Masturbation

Daily, the upshot is this: There IS NO Sricptural reference that deals with masterbation - pro or con. Period.

Therefore, do as you wilt... if it harm none.

How's that? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

(CEW, please don't kill me. I couldn't help myself. I think the Devil made me type that. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] )

**dahjah** · 01-01-2004, 02:50 AM

Re: Christianity and Masturbation

but didn't God kill him for wasting his seed pan de ground.
Mi a use memory right now mek mi look a mawnin.

But if a suh, den anyone who waste dem seed is wirdy a deat.

**Mutty** · 01-01-2004, 10:42 AM

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I know the subject is about masturbation, but the story historically used or often used to justify its prohibition is a world of silliness all unto itself. Dude (Onan) probably died of some natural cause during the act (which can and does happen, by the way) but the death fit neatly into the writer's storyline, a writer who lived in a society where carrying on the family name through the man was practically the will of God. While building his case to show the lineage of the Jewish Messiah, it seemed nice to toss this in because Onan's act was deemed as something of an attempt to screw (no punintended) up the whole tracing of the lineage and it also appeared to have given the writer a nice excuse to slip Judah into the story as father (architect) of the "promised line" to the Messiah. I also find it very interesting that it was Judah who commanded his son to go sleep with his sister-in-law, not God, but God is the one who ends up in the picture all angry and bumps off the offender despite NO previous precedent. The story just sounds downright bogus to me.

**Tropicana** · 01-01-2004, 12:05 PM

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Well CEW, it's interesting some Christians, like James Dobson at Focus on the Family, feel that the Bible is silent on this subject but others like the folks over a the Institute for Basic Life Principles disagree. They feel that words like uncleaness and concupiensce (hope I spelled it correctly) refer to masturbation in some passages. I would have to dig up their material.

Every Man's Battle and Every Young Man's Battle: Strategies for Victory in the Real World of Sexual Temptation, by Stephen Arterburn and Fred Stoeker, also come out strongly against the practice:

"Masturbation is progressive.... This is bondage, and God hates bondage in His sons." In the chapter that discusses marriage ending the masturbation cycle, the authors state, "You see, before marriage, Satan does everything he can to get you to have sex with your girlfriend; after marriage, he does everything he can to keep you from having sex with your wife. Do we need to repeat this point? If so, please read the above paragraph again." When exploring the idea of stopping all sexual thoughts, looks, and actions, they say, "Hopefully, EDIT will kick in quickly to take the edge off while the river dries up... but those banks may never get filled because of 'overuse.' Some guys have never had a EDIT simply because their regular masturbation and promiscuity keeps the banks from filling up." The primary theme of the book is expelling all "lustful" and "sinful" thoughts and walking with God, allowing nothing to distract a young man from his faith.

I agree with this viewpoint and I have purchased a copy of this book for my son.

Here is information from the back cover:

trategies for Victory in the Real World of Sexual Temptation

In this world you’re surrounded by sexual images that open the door to temptation. They’re everywhere–on TV, billboards, magazines, music, the internet–and so easy to access that it sometimes feels impossible to escape their clutches. Yet God expects his children to be sexually pure. So how can you survive the relentless battle against temptation? Here’s powerful ammunition.

Steve Arterburn and Fred Stoeker, the authors of the hard-hitting best-seller Every Man’s Battle, now focus on the temptations young single Christian men like you face every day–and they offer workable, biblical strategies for achieving sexual purity.

The authors examine the standard of Ephesians 5:3–“there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality”–in a positive and sensitive light. And they explain how an authentic, vibrant relationship with Jesus Christ is the key to victory over temptation. Every Young Man’s Battle will show you how to train your eyes and your mind, how to clean up your thought life, and how to develop a realistic battle plan for remaining pure in today’s sexually soaked culture. As a result, you’ll experience hope–real hope–for living a strong, pure life God’s way.

I have been leading a small group of about ten guys on my floor through this book. Not one of us have gone through our teenage or college years untouched by the trappings of pornography, masturbation, or other sexual temptations. It is time for the church to stop pretending that sin struggles do not exist in the lives of its young men and women and begin to address these issues on the head. Otherwise, our young people are left to find the answers in the world because no one else will talk about it with them in specific terms they can understand and relate to.

This book is a candid peer-mentor discussion between the author and, in a sense, the reader. Steve and Fred hold nothing back from their own lives and, while many of their experiences were difficult, they do a great job of refraining from too graphic while not shying back from the specifics of their struggles. This makes the reader feel as he can relate with the author--dealing in generalities is not an option when it comes to this topic, even if it is often uncomfortable to discuss. The book also brings in a lot of humor which is quite helpful at breaking the tension.

Arterburn and Stoeker ask tough questions, fill their readers with the Word of God, and most importantly, leave the young man with the knowledge that he is not alone in his struggle. The ten guys in my small group have really opened up with one another and are determined to see a change in thier own life as well as the lives of their peers.

Parents and youth workers: buy this book for your young men and get some dialogue going with them, you may be surprised at what you find out (then again, I hope you're not as you may have also struggled with these very issues). More importantly, talk to your young men about sex--where else would you want them to be learn about it? This book is a great follow-up and will address a whole assortment of issues that you may not feel comfortable covering or may not realize are there.

Young men...it's time to make a change in your life and step into the fullness that God has for you in the area of your sexuality. It is a gift from God that we must valiantly protect and uphold--our integrity is on the line. Join the thousands of young men across the country and around the world in the battle to uphold your sexual purity. Starve the sumo!

**Tropicana** · 01-01-2004, 12:20 PM

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Here is a (LONG) article for men that gives a viewpoint that some Christians have:

Overcoming Masturbation

SOME FACTS
Archibald Hart wrote a book entitled The Sexual Man (Waco, Texas: Word, 1994). His book contains surveys he conducted on the subject of masturbation. When asked how married men feel about their masturbation, "almost all (97 percent) said they did not feel guilty. Only 2 percent said that it was shameful, and 8 percent that it was abnormal. But on the other hand, only 13 percent said they felt normal about masturbation. So what does this mean? Either they genuinely don't know how they feel or they have a lot of ambivalence about their feelings. On the one hand, 97 percent said they don't feel guilty, but only 13 percent said it felt normal."
I think these results show that a rationalization has taken place in our society. In spite of what society and books and "sex experts" tell us -- in spite of what men say they believe -- men still don't feel right about masturbation. Many of the married and unmarried men I have spoken with agonize over their practice of masturbation.

FIVE IMPORTANT TRUTHS
A. Sex is good and right and pure. It was created by a loving, imaginative God for procreation and pleasure. God created sex to be ENJOYED, but only within the right context: marriage.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.... God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. Genesis 1:27, 31.
B. Masturbation is not mentioned in the Bible. So we have no clear commandment in the Scripture regarding masturbation. In the absence of a clear command, we must always be careful of creating condemnation where God never intended it. Little boys and little girls explore their bodies. Touching their sex organs feels good. This is not sin. It is normal curiosity.
C. However we do have a clear command, concerning the lust of a woman who is not your wife. Jesus says this is essentially the same as the sin of adultery.

"Anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Matthew 5:28.

Therefore, if you are masturbating and in your masturbating you are lusting after a woman that you are not married to, then your masturbation is a sin. If you are using pornography or imagination to lust after a woman who is not your wife, then you are "missing the mark" (the meaning of one of the Greek words for sin). You are committing a form of adultery. You are involved in something that is unhealthy for you and for those around you.
D. In spite of what some single people imagine, masturbation does not stop magically when you get married:
· Archibald Hart in his book The Sexual Man claims "61 percent of all married men surveyed masturbate."
· Sex in marriage has its interruptions and boring times.
· Thought control does not get easier; it gets harder after marriage since you know what sex is all about.
E. The key to self-control in masturbation is control of your mind by the power of the Holy Spirit.

The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace. The sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. Romans 8:6-7.

Your mind controls your sexual arousal. Your most important sex organ is your mind.
THE EFFECTS OF A LONG-TERM HABIT OF MASTURBATION
· We dream up wild fantasies in order to masturbate. Wild fantasies become the only way to physically excite you. They are not at all like the physical relationship in marriage. This will put a strain on your marriage.
· They cause guilt feelings which make it hard for you to relate to other people. Sin blunts your feelings toward God.
· Fantasizing in your mind makes you want to enact your fantasies -- worse sin, big trouble.
· Your lack of self-control may make you susceptible to unfaithfulness in your marriage.
· The guilt you feel can be transferred to thinking that all sex is dirty and wrong.
· Because of the concentration on your own orgasm or release, it can train you to be selfish in marital sex. It is also common for masturbation to create a problem with pre-ejaculation in your marriage.
TOOLS FOR OVERCOMING A CHRONIC HABIT OF MASTURBATION
A. Scripture Memory - Get these Scriptures into your head and heart. Quote them when you get up in the morning and whenever you are tempted. They will help you to renew your mind and teach you to think differently.
Romans 13:14 "Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature."
Romans 8:6 "The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace."
John 8:34,36 "Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed."
2 Corinthians 10:4-5 "The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ."
B. Work on victory only one day at a time:
Never think about getting victory for the rest of your life.
Here is the way to think: "The guys are all out of the apartment. Lord, just let me get through this one afternoon."
C. Remind yourself how long it's been since the last time you masturbated.
"I've had victory for a whole week. Praise God! Now do I really want to go through that guilt again just to start over again? NO, not today!"
D. Remember and review the long-term effects of masturbation.

The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 1 Corinthians 16:13
E. If you sin, it's a little bit easier to sin the next time; but the opposite is also true -- resist and it will make you stronger.

Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. James 4:7.

Resist the devil, standing firm in the faith, because you know that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kind of sufferings. 1 Peter 5:9.
F. Engage in some type of strenuous exercise. Go and burnout and it will lessen the desire. One guy would go and do chin ups until his arms felt like they would fall off.

Therefore, I do not run like a man aimlessly; I do not fight like a man beating the air. No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize. 1 Corinthians 9:26-27.
G. Avoid any situation that tempts you personally. Avoid it. Change it. Expose it. Remove anything from your home that causes you to want to sin sexually -- books, magazines, videos, etc.

Flee from sexual immorality. 1 Corinthians 6:18.

Flee the evil desires of youth, and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 2 Timothy 2:22.

Find out what pleases the Lord. Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. Ephesians 5:11.
H. Be accountable to another Christian brother. Call a Christian friend with whom you can fellowship during this time of temptation.

He who trusts in himself is a fool. Proverbs 28:26.

Let not my heart be drawn to what is evil, to take part in wicked deeds with men who are evildoers; let me not eat of their delicacies. Let a righteous man strike me--it is a kindness; let him rebuke me--it is oil on my head. My head will not refuse it. Psalm 141:4-5.

Confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. James 5:16.
I. Change your habits of thinking. This is also the area that will take the most work. Quick and easy victory is unlikely. This is a war, not just a battle.

Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is. Romans 12:2.

Ask the Lord to show you why you have wrong desires. Give some serious thought to figuring out why you masturbation. A chronic habit of masturbation is usually a emotional substitute for something. It's like a drug we use to anesthetize our emotional pain. Are you using masturbation to overcome sadness, feelings of rejection, or fear of failure? If so, then you are confusing psychological/spiritual issues with sex. Masturbating isn't going to help you mature emotionally. It will only keep you childlike. Take some time to really figure out what masturbation is being used for in your life. Then separate out the psychological issues from God's gift of sex. Ask God to reveal any burdens or anxieties you are carrying, then give them back to Him.
J. Get in the habit of praising and thanking God for the way you are, including your sex organs. Thank Him for making you a sexual being and ask Him to help you control yourself so you can enjoy sex in its proper context.

I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Psalm 139:14.
K. If you yield to the temptation, confess as soon as possible, and don't dwell on it. You will feel guilty because you have given in to your flesh and have obeyed it desires, but don't keep punishing yourself about it; instead rejoice in the cleansing, forgiving power of the blood of Jesus Christ. Renew fellowship with God and again reckon yourself dead to sin.
L. Grow spiritually. Don't stop serving or learning. Sometimes guilt makes us feel like we are not worthy to serve in the church or associate with other Christians. That is Satan's trap to keep you away from God's grace (Romans 8:1). Don't run from the streams of God's grace. Stay involved and active. Becoming more like Christ in other areas will help you in this one.

Down But Not Out - Dealing with Persistent Temptations
This is a teaching that one of the men gave at the 1998 Men's Retreat

The USS California was sunk at Pearl Harbor. One hundred seven days later, she was raised. Three months later, she was repaired enough to make her own way to the States. One year later she reentered the war. Later, in a single battle, she put 1500 shells into a Japanese battleship. By the end of the war, she had earned 7 battle stars!
You may be beaten down, but God can raise you up.
I started my study of temptation in 1994. Two books standout as having been used by God for my healing. Winning the War Within by Charles Stanley, and The War Within by Robert Daniels. I recommend both.
I opened myself up to porn at a young age. My mind is polluted. Call it a habit, a stronghold, or an addiction -- What it is is sin. I have been looking at cyberporn about once a month for the last year. I didn't seem to want to fight it when I was weak. In between periods of sin, I would repent and beg God to give me the "want to" to fight this. In Feb, he did. I have been wanting to fight this temptation since then. I waited and the Lord moved his hand over my life. I don't know why but His timing is perfect. This verse comes to mind:
Psalm 40:1-3 -- 1 ... I waited patiently for the LORD; he turned to me and heard my cry.2 He lifted me out of the slimy pit, out of the mud and mire; he set my feet on a rock and gave me a firm place to stand.3 He put a new song in my mouth, a hymn of praise to our God. Many will see and fear and put their trust in the LORD.
If you're in a slimy pit of sin that you've caused...
a. Accept the consequences of your sin like a man.
b. Know that God still has a wonderful plan for your life. Part of this plan may be that you will be used of God to minister to other sinners who have similar struggles. Two verses come to mind:
Psalm 51:13 -- Then I will teach transgressors your ways, and sinners will turn back to you.
Luke 22:31-32 -- Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift you as wheat. But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers.
When you are in the middle of giving in to a temptation, that is not the time to devise a plan of action. You must plan ahead of time when you're strong. Before I discuss this plan, however, let me talk briefly about what to do when temptation strikes. You may have only a moment of strength. Look for a way of escape. An escape route is a promise from God. Consider this verse:
1 Corinthians 10:13 (personalized version) No temptation has seized me except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let me be tempted beyond what I can bear. But when I am tempted, he will also provide a way out so that I can stand up under it.
There are thousands of wondrous and even humorous stories about how God has provided ways of escape. One of the funniest is one that happened to me. I was taking an aerobics class and just as class was starting, the last remaining spot, which was in front of me, was taken by a beautiful woman wearing an outfit that left little to the imagination. I prayed for a way of escape but told God that I really didn't want to leave the class. The thought came to me to remove my glasses; I did. Aside from being a little clumsy, I did fine for that hour but couldn't focus on the woman in front of me. Praise the Lord. God is so cool!
My 8 point battle defense plan. [Most of these are basic Christian disciplines. God gets all the credit]. You must implement these NOW while you're not in the midst of a temptation.
1. HAVE A CONSISTENT QUIET TIME. Since there are books on this subject, let me mention just two prayers that should be a part of your routine.
First, pray for strength and more reaction time when tempted.
Second, admit your total failure at handling this problem in your own strength. BEG God to intervene. When God sees that you're sincere about needing His help, you have experienced brokenness and He is now in a position to help you.
2. SCRIPTURE MEMORIZATION. If Marines went into battle without bullets, they may be successful with only bayonets and hand grenades. But they certainly would be somewhat unarmed and very foolish. Be fully armed for battle by memorizing relevant scripture. Jesus in Matthew 4 is our example. When tempted, he had several choices. He could have debated Satan and won. But we wouldn't win, so he didn't give us that example. He could have shown Satan His glory and blown Satan away. But again, we wouldn't be able to repeat this. Instead, he did something that we can and should do: Hit Satan with the Word. Do you realize that Jesus did not have one original thought during the exchange? Be armed with scripture. When tempted, say it OUT LOUD even if you must whisper.
I also recommend you personalize it. Substitute your name or a personal pronoun for words like "you" and "we."
3. CONFESS YOUR SINS TO A BROTHER. When a modern submarine shoots a torpedo at a surface ship, it has the torpedo explode underneath the middle of the ship. The ship bends up, away from the blast and then bends down, back into the temporary air pocket. This breaks the back of the ship. Even if the ship miraculously stays afloat, it is so badly damaged that it is 'easy pickens' for a final attack.
Many sins have a back that you can break. Once broken, the sin is more easily defeated. This backbone is "secrecy." Frequently, the power of the sin is in its secrecy. Break the secrecy and you're on your way to breaking the sin. One of my best friends says, "You're as sick as your secrets."
Many of our sins are respectable in the eyes of other Christians so we don't mind confessing them. For instance, "I yell at my kids." Big deal, we all do that. Let me tell you about real secret sin. After a talk on sexual sin given by author Robert Daniels, a fellow military officer, who was as committed a Christian as I was, asked if he could talk to me. He knew of my problem with lusting after women. With head hung low, he confessed that he lusted after other men. I was floored! I thought people with that problem lived in San Francisco. I had never known a Christian man could be tempted in that way. The Lord taught me a powerful lesson that night: We all have sin buttons that Satan likes to push and one sin button isn't more respectable than another.
My friend took a tremendous risk in confiding in me but the Lord used it for growth in both our lives.
4. WORSHIP GOD. Imagine a 5 year old boy not having money to buy his daddy a birthday present so he writes a song instead. As the boy sings the song, his dad sits with a grin from ear to ear. The dad never even considers that the boy is off key.
Don't worry about how you sound when you sing to God. Look up, close your eyes, and sing a song of worship to your heavenly father. A former pastor made the following comment about prayer but it applies equally well to worship: "The closer I get to God, the more childlike my prayers become."
5. COMMIT TO RUNNING FROM TEMPTATION. Most sins of the eyes are geographical. In other words, these sins are in a certain location and you can simply change your location to get away from them. Consider Paul's words...
2 Timothy 2:22 Flee the evil desires of youth, and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
It isn't unmanly to run from temptation; it's smart. This verse also exhorts us to get with other Christians. Remember, there is no Biblical basis for Spiritual Lone Rangers.
6. BUILD WALLS OF DEFENSE IN YOUR OWN TERRITORY. What about temptations from which you can't run? How many men have spent time staring at the partially scrambled Playboy channel. Get it fully blocked! Is cyberporn your temptation, either get rid of the World Wide Web from your home or change to a Christian Internet Service Provider that blocks the stuff. Remember, there is a way of escape [1 Cor 10:13]. While greeting people after church, a particular woman gave the pastor a very passionate hug. She repeated this again next week. The pastor prayed for a way of escape. He had a duty to perform and could physically run. He prayed. The next Sunday as the woman approached, a small child ran between them. Quickly, the pastor scooped the child in his arms thus providing a barrier to the passionate hug. Each week thereafter, the Lord provide a small child nearby for the pastor to lift up. The woman finally got the message.
7. TAKE A FEW STEPS BACK FROM THE LINE. When we see a police car while we're driving, what do we do? We slow down to the exact speed limit, right? When a Christian man who struggles with lust walks passed the so called "soft porn" magazines in a convenience store, what does he do? He frequently pauses and looks at the covers without picking one up, rationalizing that he really hasn't crossed the line into sin.
If we want to look down into the Grand Canyon, would we walk right up to the edge of a sheer cliff and look down? No, we can see just fine by taking a few steps back from the edge. We must learn to do the same with our temptations. If there is a clear line between sinning and not sinning, we must stay a few steps away from the line. Once your toes are on the line, it takes very little effort for Satan to draw you over.
When faced with a situation where you're approaching a line, the question to ask yourself is "What's the wise thing to do?" Normally, the wise thing is to take a few steps back.
8. FINALLY, BE VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT SAYING "GOD HAS HEALED ME OF...." It is much safer to say, "God is healing me of ..." I see at least two reasons for this. First, God may not have totally and completely healed you from your stronghold. Just because you haven't been tempted in your weak area for a year, doesn't mean God delivered you from it. It may just mean that Satan is waiting for a more opportune time in your life. If you brag that a certain sin is behind you and it really isn't, you will be doubly discourage if the sin comes back into your life. I speak from experience here.
Secondly, if God is still healing you then you are still dependent on him. This is as it should be. We need to be aware of our constant dependence on him for healing in all our weaknesses.
Here they are again, in summary...
1. HAVE A CONSISTENT QUIET TIME.
2. SCRIPTURE MEMORIZATION.
3. CONFESS YOUR SINS TO A BROTHER
4. WORSHIP GOD
5. COMMIT TO RUNNING FROM TEMPTATION.
6. BUILD WALLS OF DEFENSE IN YOUR OWN TERRITORY
7. TAKE A FEW STEPS BACK FROM THE LINE.
8. FINALLY, BE VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT SAYING "GOD HAS HEALED ME OF...."
Remember, battle plans must be rehearsed. Practice, Practice, Practice.

**Chef Donjuan** · 01-01-2004, 12:29 PM

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I have seen that little things lead to bigger things. Men who read girlie books usually after a while graduate to porno movies. After watching them for a while, they need more stimulation. It appears to be a hunger that cannot be satisfied. Maybe this is the reason why some couples swap after so many years. Kids today without the proper supervision seem to grow de-senseatize to violence through over expouser to violent movies and video games. I know this is debatable, but is it really. In a marriage if you consistantly do the missionary position, you are going to get board. You need variety for an enduring healthy sexual life. I am not talking whips and stuff, just variety.

Is it wrong to indulge in sexual fantasies; what about masturbation?
Yes. Such fantasies lead to lust. After marriage, there is nothing wrong with fantasizing about your legal spouse, especially during periods of forced separation. However, other sexual fantasies which do not involve a legal spouse lead to illicit lust. The Bible says fornication (sexual intercourse between unmarried persons) and adultery (sexual intercourse between married persons) are both sin. Jesus said that fantasizing about a person to whom you are not married is sin: "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Matt. 5:28,

The Bible is silent about masturbation as a means of releasing sexual tension. Although there is no evidence that it will make you blind, there is evidence that it is habit forming and can follow you into adult life, even after marriage. Treat it as any other potentially habit-forming activity which can eventually disrupt your normal life. It tends to make you want it more and less agressive about getting the real thing. I often wonder is this may be the reason why some men in their later age can not get it up any more, since they wasted all the hard-ons on their right or left hand!

However, masturbation in connection with sexual fantasies should be avoided for the reasons given above.

**Tropicana** · 01-01-2004, 12:51 PM

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Well said Chief DonJuan.

**Chef Donjuan** · 01-01-2004, 01:03 PM

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Thanks Tropicana, cooking is not the only thing I do [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

**Tropicana** · 01-01-2004, 01:13 PM

Re: Christianity and Masturbation

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**dahjah** · 01-01-2004, 04:44 PM

Re: Christianity and Masturbation

Originally posted by Chef Donjuan:
[qb] I often wonder is this may be the reason why some men in their later age can not get it up any more, since they wasted all the hard-ons on their right or left hand!

However, masturbation in connection with sexual fantasies should be avoided for the reasons given above. [/qb]

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**Mutty** · 01-01-2004, 05:34 PM

Re: Christianity and Masturbation

Originally posted by Chef Donjuan:
[qb] I have seen that little things lead to bigger things. Men who read girlie books usually after a while graduate to porno movies. After watching them for a while, they need more stimulation. It appears to be a hunger that cannot be satisfied. Maybe this is the reason why some couples swap after so many years. Kids today without the proper supervision seem to grow de-senseatize to violence through over expouser to violent movies and video games. I know this is debatable, but is it really. In a marriage if you consistantly do the missionary position, you are going to get board. You need variety for an enduring healthy sexual life. I am not talking whips and stuff, just variety.

Is it wrong to indulge in sexual fantasies; what about masturbation?
Yes. Such fantasies lead to lust. After marriage, there is nothing wrong with fantasizing about your legal spouse, especially during periods of forced separation. However, other sexual fantasies which do not involve a legal spouse lead to illicit lust. The Bible says fornication (sexual intercourse between unmarried persons) and adultery (sexual intercourse between married persons) are both sin. Jesus said that fantasizing about a person to whom you are not married is sin: "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Matt. 5:28,

The Bible is silent about masturbation as a means of releasing sexual tension. Although there is no evidence that it will make you blind, there is evidence that it is habit forming and can follow you into adult life, even after marriage. Treat it as any other potentially habit-forming activity which can eventually disrupt your normal life. It tends to make you want it more and less agressive about getting the real thing. I often wonder is this may be the reason why some men in their later age can not get it up any more, since they wasted all the hard-ons on their right or left hand!

However, masturbation in connection with sexual fantasies should be avoided for the reasons given above. [/qb]

I've always found the above scripture interesting. How does 'anyone' commit adultery when ONLY married people (two or one) can actually commit the act? If an unmarried man looks upon an unmarried woman with lust, how can the word adultery be attached to them yet Jesus said 'anyone'? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Christianity and Masturbation

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