When are kids "ready" for sex ?

**ohliz** · 02-18-2004, 01:57 PM

Re: When are kids "ready" for sex ?

Originally posted by servant:
"They are not a corporation, they're a non-profit organization, they don't make money and if they ever showed a profit they wouldn't be able to keep it."

http://www.conservativenews.org/View...20031212a.html

So they're a very well funded not-for-profit organization. Any excess $$ they have doesn't enrich any shareholders or owners, no one in that organization gets personal financial benefit from PP having excess $$...if that's what you were trying to suggest.

"read your source and that's not what it says."

Look under subject heading "Teenage Abortion".

The very first line says: "Four in 10 teenage pregnancies (excluding miscarriages) end in abortion."

Then your source contradicts itself, or simply overstates the facts it presents elsewhere in the article. I don't know which - it's YOUR source.

...and it's still using 20 year old numbers and it sitll says countries that educate their kids thoroughly about sex have much lower teen pregnancy rates than we do.

I don't see what point you're trying to make, your own source contradicts you (and itself).

**Fledgist** · 02-18-2004, 03:36 PM

Re: When are kids "ready" for sex ?

Originally posted by servant:
[qb] Well did or did not PP say that "having fun" and "both wanting to have sex at the same time" should be part of the decision making process for teens ?

And where did I "claim that they're all that matter" ?

{Fledgist: You excluded everything else, thus giving the appearance that Planned Parenthood was simply encouraging hedonism. That is dishonest.}

The point Fledgist, is that to tell kids that having fun together and both wanting to have sex should be ANY part of how you decide who to have sex with is irresponsible. [/qb]

Those were the only criteria? A much larger set was included. You keep focusing on only two parts of it, as if they were the whole. In any case, wanting to have sex and seeking to enjoy it are important parts of the experience. Apparently, you don't want people to have fun. It all boils down, again, to your seeking control over other people's lives. I can still remember your ringing declaration that parents were not competent to guide their children on the subject of sex.

I certainly would not want you anywhere near my children.

**servant** · 02-18-2004, 03:54 PM

Re: When are kids "ready" for sex ?

You excluded everything else, thus giving the appearance that Planned Parenthood was simply encouraging hedonism. That is dishonest."

I posted the entire list at the beginning of the thread.

"Apparently, you don't want people to have fun."

I don't think teenagers should be encouraged to have sex, wittingly or unwittingly.

**fOrTyLeGz** · 02-18-2004, 05:11 PM

Re: When are kids "ready" for sex ?

Originally posted by fOrTyLeGz:

But, self-esteem isn't something that you lose when you have sex as a teenager. Self-esteem is something that you get, and you get it when you are an infant and a toddler, and it is pretty much all jelled up and firmly in place by ten or eleven... in my opinion. It comes about through good parenting, and nasty stuff on TV, and rude girls in high school, nor bad dates and love affairs in high school can destroy it.

Originally posted by Jedil:

Forty-legz did your daughter share those feelings with you when she was a teenager? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Just an amaizingly rude and argumentative question.

What feelings?

Originally posted by Jedil:

What you have asserted above? Or else how do you know what teenagers feel before or after indulging in sex.

Please share with me where I said how kids feel before or after sex. And how that fits in with my kids.

Originally posted by Jedil:

Perhaps you can say for some but not all, and unless your teenage daughter confided in you, or you did a study of your own you cannot say with certainty at all.

Oh I see... You tell me how to post!?

I am talking about self-esteem... and how you get it early, and how it can PREVENT or PROTECT kids that have it, from bad sexual liasons. And if they have high self-esteem and they do have a bad experience, it won't destroy their self-esteem. Self-esteem doesn't get destroyed. JmO.

Originally posted by Jedil:

There are a lot of factors governing the matter of teenage sex, and in the majority of cases low self esteem plays a major role in why many girls indulge themselves.

How do you know. Did your son confide in you?

Originally posted by Jedil:

For the boys it is the conquest,

How do you know? Did your son confide this to you?

Originally posted by Jedil:

...for the girl more often times it is the matter of being loved and accepted, but afterwards they are sadly disappointed.

Pathetic! Poor girls. They just want to be "loved and accepted." And they just get used and abused? It's not fair!

Originally posted by Jedil:

Notice also I did not say in all cases but in the majority of cases.

I see. And I said "all cases?"

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**Fledgist** · 02-18-2004, 09:24 PM

Re: When are kids "ready" for sex ?

Originally posted by servant:
[qb] You excluded everything else, thus giving the appearance that Planned Parenthood was simply encouraging hedonism. That is dishonest."

I posted the entire list at the beginning of the thread.

{Fledgist: And then quoted selectively later in the thread. Fallacy of emphasis.}

"Apparently, you don't want people to have fun."

I don't think teenagers should be encouraged to have sex, wittingly or unwittingly. [/qb]

That's an interesting step back from saying that enjoyment and wanting to have sex are unacceptable reasons for sexual intercourse.

If a teenager (and that includes persons who are legally adult, btw) wants to engage in sexual intercourse responsibly (taking care to ensure that diseases are not spread, and conception does not occur), I have no objection. And if the teenager is my child, I have no objection providing that they are being responsible. And if you want to object to that, I have to point out that they're not your children and they are none of your damn business.

**Guest** · 02-18-2004, 11:28 PM

Re: When are kids "ready" for sex ?

Originally posted by fOrTyLeGz:
[qb]