What is Obeah?

[JesusDread]

Re: What is Obeah?

Originally posted by PRINCE OF DARKNESS:
[qb] Fiya bun!
Can you feel the heat yet?

Some interesting reading can be found right here.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/afr/vao/vao07.htm [/qb]

Thank you POD for that obeah link.

Ohh, my gosh! Never thought I would be tahnking Satan for anything..

What is this world coming to?

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[rufian]

Re: What is Obeah?

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look behind you, PRINCE OF DARKNESS

[rufian]

Re: What is Obeah?

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[Guest]

Re: What is Obeah?

Originally posted by JesusDread:
[qb] Obeah is a demonic religion that uses spells and evil spirits to harm and bring misfortune on the practitioner’s enemies.[/qb]

Yep, that's what the British told our forefathers. Why should we believe the people who put us in chains and what they say about our origins?

[JesusDread]

Re: What is Obeah?

Originally posted by MissB:
[qb]

Originally posted by JesusDread:
[qb] Obeah is a demonic religion that uses spells and evil spirits to harm and bring misfortune on the practitioner’s enemies.[/qb]

Yep, that's what the British told our forefathers. Why should we believe the people who put us in chains and what they say about our origins?

[/qb]

Is not only the British say so. A lot of bad minded Jamaicans tell mi too. Dem tell mi seh mi no have long fi live, some seh mi a go tun mad, some seh mi a go tun wutless an all amnner of evil. All mi ex-wife go obeahman regularly fi me, LOL

All now none a dem spell cyaa touch me. Mi under the Blood of Jesus, in His name I bind evil spirits and rebuke demonic oppression. Still living in God's grace and prosperity.

So, fiya, fiya, and they have no water!

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[Guest]

Re: What is Obeah?

Originally posted by PRINCE OF DARKNESS:
[qb] Some interesting reading can be found right here.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/afr/vao/vao07.htm [/qb]

Thanks for the link POD. I had read this, it's a good primer on the history of Obeah. Unfortunately, there is little about the beliefs.

One note that was interesting (and illustrates how Obeah has come to be viewed as demonic):

"When the confidence of the people has been won and my own knowledge widened, I could question them about beliefs and customs. To three such informants I am especially indebted--to Wilfrid Bonito of Richmond (but brought up in Manderville), etc." Her friend, then, must have been amusing himself at her expense at times, if we may judge from the following, p. 108: "The real Obeah man, says Wilfrid, must kill one of his own family--it may be an infant. Wilfrid did not say so, but I suppose in this way the Obeah man secures the duppy who acts as his 'familiar' or 'control.'"

Wilfrid was a real ginnal. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/704555_dwl.gif[/img]

[rufian]

Re: What is Obeah?

Originally posted by JesusDread:
[qb]

Originally posted by MissB:
[qb]

Originally posted by JesusDread:
[qb] Obeah is a demonic religion that uses spells and evil spirits to harm and bring misfortune on the practitioner’s enemies.[/qb]

Yep, that's what the British told our forefathers. Why should we believe the people who put us in chains and what they say about our origins?

[/qb]

Is not only the British say so. A lot of bad minded Jamaicans tell mi too. Dem tell mi seh mi no have long fi live, some seh mi a go tun mad, some seh mi a go tun wutless an all amnner of evil. All mi ex-wife go obeahman regularly fi me, LOL

All now none a dem spell cyaa touch me. Mi under the Blood of Jesus, in His name I bind evil spirits and rebuke demonic oppression. Still living in God's grace and prosperity.

So, fiya, fiya, and they have no water!

[/qb]

not if mami wata get you. you think that that imaginary blood can protect you from a good dose of powder? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/704555_dwl.gif[/img] and ana talcum powder or johnsons me a talk either [img]/forums/images/graemlins/704555_dwl.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/704555_dwl.gif[/img]

[Guest]

Re: What is Obeah?

Originally posted by JesusDread:
[qb] Is not only the British say so. A lot of bad minded Jamaicans tell mi too. Dem tell mi seh mi no have long fi live, some seh mi a go tun mad, some seh mi a go tun wutless an all amnner of evil.

All now none a dem spell cyaa touch me.[/qb]

You sure it's not working, JD? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Guest]

Re: What is Obeah?

Here's an interesting link: Obeah

[Suesumba]

Re: What is Obeah?

Originally posted by JesusDread:
[qb] A lot of bad minded Jamaicans tell mi too. Dem tell mi seh mi no have long fi live, some seh mi a go tun mad, some seh mi a go tun wutless an all amnner of evil. All mi ex-wife go obeahman regularly fi me, LOL[/qb]

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[Guest]

Re: What is Obeah?

Originally posted by SueSumba:
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Originally posted by JesusDread:
[qb] A lot of bad minded Jamaicans tell mi too. Dem tell mi seh mi no have long fi live, some seh mi a go tun mad, some seh mi a go tun wutless an all amnner of evil. All mi ex-wife go obeahman regularly fi me, LOL[/qb]

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All now, me cyann stop laugh. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/704555_dwl.gif[/img]

[JesusDread]

Re: What is Obeah?

Four shillings was the price for pulling an Obeah and six shillings for catching a shadow, and they did make money. They accompanied their operations with violent singing and dancing. They worked themselves into violent animal excitement and fanaticism, jumping about, yelling like so many demoniacs. It was frightful to hear them. Sometimes one would bolt out of the ring and run into the bush and then the others would go after him, declaring that the spirits had taken him away. They had vials filled with the juice of bad-smelling bushes which they called 'their weed.' It was said that it had the effect of causing those upon whom it was sprinkled to become Myal people. Not a little injury was done to the churches by this Myal procession. A number of young people, especially females, were drawn away. They followed them all about and fell into immorality with the men, notwithstanding the affected piety of the latter. They went into the churches on Sundays and interrupted divine services by pulling out persons whom they suspected of dealing in Obeah, or who were so reported to them. Old men who looked suspicious were beaten, rolled in cotton bush and half killed.

A wonda homuch it cost now! In US dollas!

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Originally posted by MissB:
[qb] Here's an interesting link: Obeah [/qb]

same nonsense, obeahmanism, shamanism, pwamanism.....|Re: What is Obeah?|rufian|sukuna|Thu Jun 10 13:49:00 2004|193.170.62.46|1|1|0|0
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Originally posted by JesusDread:
[qb] Four shillings was the price for pulling an Obeah and six shillings for catching a shadow, and they did make money. They accompanied their operations with violent singing and dancing. They worked themselves into violent animal excitement and fanaticism, jumping about, yelling like so many demoniacs. It was frightful to hear them. Sometimes one would bolt out of the ring and run into the bush and then the others would go after him, declaring that the spirits had taken him away. They had vials filled with the juice of bad-smelling bushes which they called 'their weed.' It was said that it had the effect of causing those upon whom it was sprinkled to become Myal people. Not a little injury was done to the churches by this Myal procession. A number of young people, especially females, were drawn away. They followed them all about and fell into immorality with the men, notwithstanding the affected piety of the latter. They went into the churches on Sundays and interrupted divine services by pulling out persons whom they suspected of dealing in Obeah, or who were so reported to them. Old men who looked suspicious were beaten, rolled in cotton bush and half killed.

A wonda homuch it cost now! In US dollas!

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man look how you a tek it een. learn well. you hear jesus? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/704555_dwl.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/704555_dwl.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/704555_dwl.gif[/img]

it not too expensive, how about a bottle of milk?
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[rufian]

Re: What is Obeah?

Originally posted by MissB:
[qb]

Originally posted by PRINCE OF DARKNESS:
[qb] Some interesting reading can be found right here.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/afr/vao/vao07.htm [/qb]

Thanks for the link POD. I had read this, it's a good primer on the history of Obeah. Unfortunately, there is little about the beliefs.

One note that was interesting (and illustrates how Obeah has come to be viewed as demonic):

"When the confidence of the people has been won and my own knowledge widened, I could question them about beliefs and customs. To three such informants I am especially indebted--to Wilfrid Bonito of Richmond (but brought up in Manderville), etc." Her friend, then, must have been amusing himself at her expense at times, if we may judge from the following, p. 108: "The real Obeah man, says Wilfrid, must kill one of his own family--it may be an infant. Wilfrid did not say so, but I suppose in this way the Obeah man secures the duppy who acts as his 'familiar' or 'control.'"

Wilfrid was a real ginnal. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/704555_dwl.gif[/img] [/qb]

It is well known that for certain things you have to sacrifice a child. I guess Abraham was illustrated in the bible to root out the practice, but it na have nothing to do wid de spirit the way this person interpretate it. This sounds more like witchcraft or white magic - the authors understanding of obeah.

[JesusDread]

Re: What is Obeah?

Originally posted by sukuna:
[qb]

Originally posted by JesusDread:
[qb] "Four shillings was the price for pulling an Obeah and six shillings for catching a shadow, and they did make money. They accompanied their operations with violent singing and dancing. They worked themselves into violent animal excitement and fanaticism, jumping about, yelling like so many demoniacs. It was frightful to hear them. Sometimes one would bolt out of the ring and run into the bush and then the others would go after him, declaring that the spirits had taken him away. They had vials filled with the juice of bad-smelling bushes which they called 'their weed.' It was said that it had the effect of causing those upon whom it was sprinkled to become Myal people. Not a little injury was done to the churches by this Myal procession. A number of young people, especially females, were drawn away. They followed them all about and fell into immorality with the men, notwithstanding the affected piety of the latter. They went into the churches on Sundays and interrupted divine services by pulling out persons whom they suspected of dealing in Obeah, or who were so reported to them. Old men who looked suspicious were beaten, rolled in cotton bush and half killed.

A wonda homuch it cost now! In US dollas!

[/qb]

man look how you a tek it een. learn well. you hear jesus? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/704555_dwl.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/704555_dwl.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/704555_dwl.gif[/img]

it not too expensive, how about a bottle of milk?
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Ah soon come! A going go check mi she goat. She juss ha kiddies.

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[Fledgist]

Re: What is Obeah?

Originally posted by JesusDread:
[qb]

Originally posted by MissB:
[qb]

Originally posted by JesusDread:
[qb] Obeah is a demonic religion that uses spells and evil spirits to harm and bring misfortune on the practitioner’s enemies.[/qb]

Yep, that's what the British told our forefathers. Why should we believe the people who put us in chains and what they say about our origins?

[/qb]

Is not only the British say so. A lot of bad minded Jamaicans tell mi too. Dem tell mi seh mi no have long fi live, some seh mi a go tun mad, some seh mi a go tun wutless an all amnner of evil. All mi ex-wife go obeahman regularly fi me, LOL

[/qb]

Much is now explained.