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Maybe no proof because no studies were done..
Come on Tuffy..
There is no empirical proof that deportees are responsible for the high crime rates
Come on Tuffy..
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total eleimation from the US yes. mek dem galang a yard, and feel the wrath of the people.What if the USA was to target every man woman and child that completed their sentences in prison then promptly re-arrest them as soon as they left prison, worse what if they were black and the offence was of a very minor nature?
I could well imagine the outcry.
This is what some posters here are asking the Jamaican Government to do to lock up or detain deportees for no other reason that they are deported back to Jamaica back to Jamaica. no body nay seh fe lack dem up...all we a seh is fe send dem back and no leff dem ya..
The same posters who are saying this is a USA problem and that the offenders should not be deported are the ones saying that the Jamaican Government should promptly arrest them just as soon as they touch the Jamaican soil.
Why not supply some proof that the deportees are the cause of the violence in Jamaica?
Maybe then a case could be made for the summary elimination of anyone who is deported to Jamaica
Yes I agree that some studies should be done, to see if their existence in the country has increased the crime...
but me can just see the fat cat now...sitting pon de verandah a smoke and a sey bout how him a come back sometime next year, (with the money him mek from killing innocent people pickeny
Sickening..
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Where is the proof that foreign makes criminals as against Jamaica?Originally posted by 777:
[qb]Yes, they are foreign made as u say, but jamaica will not deny their own, and personally, I dont think that the us has to play God to everyones children..
especially if them dont *abide by the rules* as such is the case u refer to with the drug dealing.. [/qb]
What are you saying Jamaicans born in Jamaica and as soon as they land in the USA....braps them tun criminal?Comment
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<a href="http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html/20040927t230000-0500_66758_obs_study_shatters_deportee__myth_.asp" target="_blank">Study shatters deportee 'myth'Originally posted by 777:
[qb]Maybe no proof because no studies were done..There is no empirical proof that deportees are responsible for the high crime rates
Come on Tuffy.. [/qb]
US data show criminal behaviour not learnt in America
VERNON DAVIDSON, Senior associate editor
Tuesday, September 28, 2004</a>
<a href="http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/columns/html/20041004t220000-0500_67112_obs_readers_misled_by_deportee_study_st ory_.asp" target="_blank">Readers misled by deportee study story
Bernard Headley
Tuesday, October 05, 2004</a>Comment
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Re: Re: Deportees..
U need to ask Champs that one..Where is the proof that foreign makes criminals as against Jamaica?
that was her claim..
My claim is that if them do the crime...send dem behind home! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]Comment
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Re: Re: Deportees..
and plus please note that *studies, can be tainted* ...
and given as pure facts..
If u ask the jamaican people if their level of comfort/feeling of safety has changed in terms of crime since the massive deportation started , u would possibly be surprised to hear it, first hand, the outcry that it has...
Everybody seems to be trying to pass the buck in these *studies*...and saying
"A noh we" [img]/forums/images/graemlins/704555_dwl.gif[/img] created these criminals...it noh have no owner! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
So now, I am leff to surmise that
I guess them - de deportees, created themselves eh??
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let me translate deh Tuffy, cuz u may not fully understand the context under which I wrote this..Yes, they are foreign made as u say, but jamaica will not deny their own, and personally, I dont think that the us has to play God to everyones children..
especially if them dont *abide by the rules* as such is the case u refer to with the drug dealing..
I am saying, based on a comment that was made -that US shouldnt be made to feel that it has to step in and handle *every crisis*..(rehab for deportees)
If they dont abide by the rules(stay outta trouble, and noh sell no drugs or import it or grow it, and noh kill no body pickney)then, heck their *privileges* (staying in this country) should indeed be revoked..
This goes for anybody that does a crime, not just jamaicans..Comment
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First you are asking for studies then when the studies are presented you are claiming that it is/could be tainted?Originally posted by 777:
[qb] and plus please note that *studies, can be tainted* ... and given as pure facts..[/qb]
Tainted how?
Have you read the study?
I would not be surprised if Jamaicans say crucify them.[qb]If u ask the jamaican people if their level of comfort/feeling of safety has changed in terms of crime since the massive deportation started , u would possibly be surprised to hear it, first hand, the outcry that it has... [/qb]
That is what most of us are saying on this board, the problem is if this was YT or the anyone from the USA saying that about Blacks or Jamaicans we would be up in arms.
FYI a vox pop was done on a radio station among Jamaicans living in Jamaica, quite recently and most Jamaicans were sympathetic to the deportees, perhaps because most Jamaicans know that the so-called deportee can be any Jamaican sent back from a foreign country and this does not mean they arrive with a gun and start shooting up the place.
The study is not to prove or disprove the claim the one country or the other created the criminals who are then deported the study is merely to prove or disprove the rumor that the deportees to Jamaica from the USA is responsible for the upsurge in crime.[qb]Everybody seems to be trying to pass the buck in these *studies*...and saying
"A noh we" [img]/forums/images/graemlins/704555_dwl.gif[/img] created these criminals...it noh have no owner! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
So now, I am leff to surmise that
I guess them - de deportees, created themselves eh?? [/qb]
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as my grannie would say:
"finga stink, but u cant cut ie off"
the dips are a part of us - good, bad or ugly
a helping hand, love not hate [img]/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]ray:Comment
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lawd, u dedicated sah..Tainted how?
Have you read the study
Why u a primps and pramps pon every word? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
the one u listed, I took the courtesy to read...Have you read the study?
yes, they are sympathic because they, the deportees are *one of us*...FYI a vox pop was done on a radio station among Jamaicans living in Jamaica, quite recently and most Jamaicans were sympathetic to the deportees, perhaps because most Jamaicans know that the so-called deportee can be any Jamaican sent back from a foreign country and this does not mean they arrive with a gun and start shooting up the place.
Who wouldnt be sympathic to this..
I was sympathic when I heard about the Maryland shooter who was jamaican, but it still doesnt dim the fact that if they do the crime, they should do the time..
Send dem home me seh!!
u hear me seh dat.... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]this does not mean they arrive with a gun and start shooting up the place.
but we all know, amongst ourselves, that some of them come here and form de fool.. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
Personally, from what I read, the study touches on both of those issues..The study is not to prove or disprove the claim the one country or the other created the criminals who are then deported the study is merely to prove or disprove the rumor that the deportees to Jamaica from the USA is responsible for the upsurge in crime.
What else u got Tuffy... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] :love:Comment
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Livicated to the truth!Originally posted by 777:
[qb]lawd, u dedicated sah..Tainted how?
Have you read the study
Why u a primps and pramps pon every word? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/qb]Comment
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Okay so you don't mind that they are sent home then.Originally posted by 777:
[qb]yes, they are sympathic because they, the deportees are *one of us*...
Who wouldnt be sympathic to this..
I was sympathic when I heard about the Maryland shooter who was jamaican, but it still doesnt dim the fact that if they do the crime, they should do the time..
Send dem home me seh!! [/qb]
Do you think that they are the cause of the high crime rate?Comment
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Well no doubt that one might read that into the study, but it was primarily to demonstrate that from the figures available it could not be said that the deportees from the USA figured significantly in the high crime rate.Originally posted by 777:
[qb]Personally, from what I read, the study touches on both of those issues..[/qb]The study is not to prove or disprove the claim the one country or the other created the criminals who are then deported the study is merely to prove or disprove the rumor that the deportees to Jamaica from the USA is responsible for the upsurge in crime.
Nothng unless you desire to have something else cleared up.[qb]What else u got Tuffy... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] :love: [/qb]Comment
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um um um ... unless i am missing something (which would not be a new thing) 21 and tuff gong are agreeing here.
and, i agree with both of them.
i am weary of all the slamming of the us of a. read, people, please read. jamaica deports ppl right and left -- and, well they shouldComment
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Originally posted by 777:
[qb]soh dem can tan ya and continue with dem disorderly self..jamaica should not accept any hard core deportees that have been out of the country for 10 yrs or more, they should make a law that says they lost their citizenship and the derpoting countries have to keep the deportee!!!!!!! weather they like it or not
Eh..eh..
Send dem behind home!
(dats punishment enough! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/704555_dwl.gif[/img] ) [/qb]Comment
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