A blow against Caribbean unity

[evanovitch]

A blow against Caribbean unity


No matter how heads of government sing the virtues of Caribbean unity, the bond between the English-speaking nations which have the Caribbean Sea in common, will have to be forged among its similar-looking, but varied people.

And the allegations that 20 Jamaican women were treated terribly, one claiming she was punched in the mouth and the story speaking about private parts being touched, do not help the Caribbean unity cause at all.

At this point they are only allegations, as reported in The STAR on Friday, as this newspaper was unable to get confirmation from the Barbadian or the Jamaican authorities, the latter saying that no formal report had been made.


They added that a previous allegation by a Jamaican of being abused by Barbadian immigration authorities is being investigated.

Unfortunately, in so many cases of alleged maltreatment by state officials people prefer to fume rather than go through the formal complaint process. Maybe they feel it is futile and getting their complaint publicised is the best way to go.

And if the intention is simply to warn other people about what might happen to them, then certainly it will work. A solution, though, it is not.

So we are saddened by this blow to the already difficult task of Caribbean unity and we urge the women involved to lodge a formal complaint which would then be investigated. After all, if they really wish to 'warn off' others, that is the best - and, really, only - way to go.

[Dr.Dudd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A blow against Caribbean unity


No matter how heads of government sing the virtues of Caribbean unity, the bond between the English-speaking nations which have the Caribbean Sea in common, will have to be forged among its similar-looking, but varied people.

And the allegations that 20 Jamaican women were treated terribly, one claiming she was punched in the mouth and the story speaking about private parts being touched, do not help the Caribbean unity cause at all.

At this point they are only allegations, as reported in The STAR on Friday, as this newspaper was unable to get confirmation from the Barbadian or the Jamaican authorities, the latter saying that no formal report had been made.


They added that a previous allegation by a Jamaican of being abused by Barbadian immigration authorities is being investigated.

Unfortunately, in so many cases of alleged maltreatment by state officials people prefer to fume rather than go through the formal complaint process. Maybe they feel it is futile and getting their complaint publicised is the best way to go.

And if the intention is simply to warn other people about what might happen to them, then certainly it will work. A solution, though, it is not.

So we are saddened by this blow to the already difficult task of Caribbean unity and we urge the women involved to lodge a formal complaint which would then be investigated. After all, if they really wish to 'warn off' others, that is the best - and, really, only - way to go.

</div></div> That a regular runnungs. Jamaicans are treated like infidels by all and sundry.
Why they don't publicize the treatment Jamaicans get in Cayman,of which Jamaica was a proterectorate for al their existence before '62. Barbados is a very racust place,where the blacks think they are honerable whites,aand Jamaicans are the drfegs.
As far as i am concern Jamaica should not even attempt at any form of unity. Let them fall on tneir own swoards without our company.

[rufian]

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Island grudges are nothing new. Maybe it is because Jamaicans are now discovering the Caribbean why it is an issue. Interesting is the difference with the international stereotype of Jamaica vs the internal Caribbean one.

If anybody should be complaining is Dominicans(not Santa Domingo).

[rufian]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A blow against Caribbean unity


No matter how heads of government sing the virtues of Caribbean unity, the bond between the English-speaking nations which have the Caribbean Sea in common, will have to be forged among its similar-looking, but varied people.

And the allegations that 20 Jamaican women were treated terribly, one claiming she was punched in the mouth and the story speaking about private parts being touched, do not help the Caribbean unity cause at all.

At this point they are only allegations, as reported in The STAR on Friday, as this newspaper was unable to get confirmation from the Barbadian or the Jamaican authorities, the latter saying that no formal report had been made.


They added that a previous allegation by a Jamaican of being abused by Barbadian immigration authorities is being investigated.

Unfortunately, in so many cases of alleged maltreatment by state officials people prefer to fume rather than go through the formal complaint process. Maybe they feel it is futile and getting their complaint publicised is the best way to go.

And if the intention is simply to warn other people about what might happen to them, then certainly it will work. A solution, though, it is not.

So we are saddened by this blow to the already difficult task of Caribbean unity and we urge the women involved to lodge a formal complaint which would then be investigated. After all, if they really wish to 'warn off' others, that is the best - and, really, only - way to go.

</div></div> That a regular runnungs. Jamaicans are treated like infidels by all and sundry.
Why they don't publicize the treatment Jamaicans get in Cayman,of which Jamaica was a proterectorate for al their existence before '62. Barbados is a very racust place,where the blacks think they are honerable whites,aand Jamaicans are the drfegs.
As far as i am concern Jamaica should not even attempt at any form of unity. Let them fall on tneir own swoards without our company. </div></div>

Wait a minute. Was it not Jamaica to first walk away from the west indian federation?

That &quot;let them fall on their own swords&quot; sounds like Jamaica would be an all powerfull entity in a Caribbean union. Please enlighten me

[Dr.Dudd]

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I Jamaica did not get out of the West indies federation, the Islands would all still be colonies.
Since all that was, a collection of colonies with no strategy to achieve independence..
As to Jamaica's future, in another 5 years you will see.

[rufian]

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The main of the west indies federation was independence from Britian contrary to what you are saying.

If this board still here and both of us are still alive in five years time and on this board, I will come back to you on that

[Dr.Dudd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The main of the west indies federation was independence from Britian contrary to what you are saying.

If this board still here and both of us are still alive in five years time and on this board, I will come back to you on that </div></div> As usual ypouy stoll never realate to th efacts. So federation was independence eh?? OK yo as usual never research what you discuss.

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If you are suggesting that it was the goal, you are very wrong.
Why did they not even start discussiopns with beutaun until after Jamaica got independence then?
As for Barbados, and the others called 'little 8', it took someinfluencing to get them to let go of the colonial dress tail.
If Jamaica was still in n the federation the independence vote would not have passed.
since each Jamaican was only valued 2/3 of the vote of other countries.
Ofcourse you won't hear that from the chorus. Why should we be in any federation if our votes don't count as equal.

[rufian]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> As usual ypouy stoll never realate to th efacts. So federation was independence eh?? OK yo as usual never research what you discuss.</div></div>
Very easy to say and no great observation on your path. 1/1000 will I cut and past any secondary information because I am true to my opinion.

What are facts? There is no such thing as facts where history is concerned. This is high school knowledge about the West Indies federation, my friend what is there to research?
But if you want quotes be my guest

Please refer to &quot;The Caribbean People&quot; book three, published by Lennox Honychurch, 1981, Chpt 12 &quot;A Family of nations&quot;


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If you are suggesting that it was the goal, you are very wrong.
Why did they not even start discussiopns with beutaun until after Jamaica got independence then?
</div></div>
The move towards a federation began as early as 1911. Then after there was the Dominica Conference held in 1932. Jamaica never gained independence until 1962.
By the time the British began to steer and stir the official federal conference was held in Montego Bay Jamaica in 1947.

&quot;The 'small islands'&quot; remained strong supporters of the federation throughout the conferences and discussions which paved the way to the union. It was hoped that federation would give them some relief from their economic problems and add to their indepence&quot; pg 136

As is the same with the EU the fear of the larger islands had that the smaller islands would drain all. Jealousy and bad-mindedness was the downfall.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
As for Barbados, and the others called 'little 8', it took someinfluencing to get them to let go of the colonial dress tail.
If Jamaica was still in n the federation the independence vote would not have passed.
since each Jamaican was only valued 2/3 of the vote of other countries.
Ofcourse you won't hear that from the chorus. Why should we be in any federation if our votes don't count as equal. </div></div>
Bring your facts for all of this now as it is clear why the weighting for the vote was so deliberated.