Haiti estimates 140,000 dead, violence breaks out

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Re: Haiti estimates 140,000 dead, violence breaks out

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">most famines r caused by the lack of rainfall in the first place..i.e. no water </div></div>

o, yes. good point. so distributing uncooked grain for famine relief doesn't make much sense either.

[Peasie]

Re: Haiti estimates 140,000 dead, violence breaks out

Doc, you are right in many respects but sometimes we would like to find that out for ourselves so we can give you the props.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We all know that i am right. It is all about presenting a picture. So these people are socialized to repeat stories enough times until people accept it as true. This is the usual, and common action here. Nothing new. The majority is not always right. And in technical areas usually rarely right. I never try to be popular. since i know the difference and te advantage of being right too.</div></div>

[Dr.Dudd]

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Now my hats won't fit me anymore.
And as for the smale, it is permanent.
And ear to ear. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Peasie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Doc, you are right in many respects but sometimes we would like to find that out for ourselves so we can give you the props.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We all know that i am right. It is all about presenting a picture. So these people are socialized to repeat stories enough times until people accept it as true. This is the usual, and common action here. Nothing new. The majority is not always right. And in technical areas usually rarely right. I never try to be popular. since i know the difference and te advantage of being right too.</div></div> </div></div>

[Gen]

Re: Haiti estimates 140,000 dead, violence breaks out

weak mi a tell yuh

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Peasie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Doc, you are right in many respects but sometimes we would like to find that out for ourselves so we can give you the props.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We all know that i am right. It is all about presenting a picture. So these people are socialized to repeat stories enough times until people accept it as true. This is the usual, and common action here. Nothing new. The majority is not always right. And in technical areas usually rarely right. I never try to be popular. since i know the difference and te advantage of being right too.</div></div> </div></div>

[Seveen]

Re: Haiti estimates 140,000 dead, violence breaks out

port au prince needs to be evacuated

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Seveen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">port au prince needs to be evacuated </div></div>

La da dee La dah da!

[Dr.Dudd]

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Evacuate 2 million people, without highways, transportation, security, the willingness of the people to be moved?/
Yeh that is a dream.
wlet's see the plan to get it going.
same logistical bottlenecks that is hampering the distribution of the rations, will be multiplied many times if that is attempted.
In logistics you move the most transportable items.
If the are unable to move the foods in quantities to have an orderly distribution.
how are they going to even think of moving the people, then move the food?
How many more times the transportation needs would have been if they have to mive people, and then move the food to feed them??
What they need to do is to have set up 1 remote distribution point.
As it attracts refugees, you open another a distance from it.

Then as that draw off some more, you set up another . Something Like East then west, North south.
Then start setting up sub centers,.
But Never is done thepeople have to be fed in place or as close to wher they can access the centers .
It also have to be a reliable system.
And as soon as that is achieved, the desperation will subside. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Seveen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">port au prince needs to be evacuated </div></div>

[Seveen]

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<span style="font-weight: bold">Wyclef Jean: Evacuate Port-au-Prince
Haitian-Born Singer Says Residents Should Move Tent Cities; </span>

&quot;Port-au-Prince is a morgue,&quot; Jean said at a Manhattan press conference, recounting how he collected the corpses of small children and adults from the festering streets on his recent trip. Tears streamed down his face as he looked into the camera, speaking to his countrymen.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Residents should be evacuated to tent cities outside Port-au-Prince to allow for aid to reach them and so cleanup can begin in earnest, Jean said, asking for help from around the world in building encampments. </span>

&quot;We need to migrate at least 2 million people,&quot; Jean said, promising to draw on his status as one of Haiti's favorite sons to aid in such an effort. &quot;I give you my word, if I tell them to go, they will go. But they need somewhere to go to,&quot; Jean said.

<span style="font-weight: bold">The musician made the plea for an evacuation at the behest of Haitian Prime Minister Jean-Max Bellerive and President Rene Preval,</span> said Hugh Locke, the president of The Wyclef Jean Foundation Inc.

The organization, also known as the Yele Haiti Foundation, has drawn fire in recent days as groups that vet charities raised doubts about its accounting practices and ability to function in a nation devastated by last week's earthquake.

CBS Station WFOR in Miami first reported on the questions about the organization.

Jean gave an impassioned defense of the organization, which has received more than $2 million in donations in just a few days.

&quot;My dad always told me, if you're a man with a clear conscience, speak with a clear conscience and the world will know,&quot; he said. &quot;Have we made mistakes before? Yes. Did I ever use Yele money for personal benefit? Absolutely not.&quot;

An Associated Press review of tax returns and independent audits provided by Jean's foundation showed that it was closely intertwined with Jean's businesses.

Among the mistakes by the young organization, Locke said, was the decision to buy $250,000 of airtime from Telemax S.A., a for-profit TV station in Haiti that is majority-owned by Jean and another foundation board member.

Locke said that Yele believed it was getting a good price for airtime in a nation where many are illiterate and rely on the TV for information. The decision would be handled differently now, he said.

The foundation plans to send donated supplies to Haiti on a plane provided by FedEx on Saturday. It is still deciding how donated funds will be spent, considering such options as mobile schools for refugee camps and security forces to escort supplies, Locke said.

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Seveen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-weight: bold">Wyclef Jean: Evacuate Port-au-Prince
Haitian-Born Singer Says Residents Should Move Tent Cities; </span>

&quot;<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Port-au-Prince is a morgue</span>,&quot; </div></div>....La da dee La dah dah!

[Seveen]

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<span style="font-weight: bold">Haitians in Mass Exodus from Shattered Port-au-Prince</span>
PORT-AU-PRINCE - Thousands of Haitians flocked out of Port-au-Prince on Saturday in a swelling exodus from the earthquake-shattered city where aid is not reaching the streets fast enough for the homeless, hurt and hungry.
Heading out for the provinces to seek shelter with friends or relatives, many simply walked with bags on their heads and shoulders. Others packed cars and trucks with possessions, lining up for hours at gasoline stations to fill up.

&quot;I have waited for two days, but nothing has arrived, not even a bottle of water,&quot; said Yves Manes, walking slowly toward a main route out of the coastal capital with his wife and two children.

His wife limped with a gashed leg, wrapped in a bloodied T-shirt. &quot;They say there are trucks taking people out of this hell. I have lost all my money, but I will give my clothes, I will give anything, to get out of here,&quot; Manes said.

The Haitian government says between 100,000 and 200,000 people could have died in the earthquake that hit the Western hemisphere's poorest nation on Tuesday. Three-quarters of the city may have to be rebuilt, one minister told Reuters.

The countryside was far less affected than Port-au-Prince, because of its lack of larger and concrete buildings. Haitians with foreign passports congregated at the airport, trying to jump on aid and military planes leaving.

U.S. military personnel even set up a temporary immigration desk to verify people's status before letting them near the runway.

Haiti's local authorities are virtually helpless to respond to one of the world's worst ever earthquakes. That has left the relief effort largely in the hands of the United Nations, the U.S. military and other foreign governments, plus a plethora of aid agencies which have scrambled to help.

&quot;HOW MUCH LONGER?&quot;

Despite the surge of international aid, many of the hundreds of thousands of Haitians living out on the streets -- either because they are homeless, or from fear of after-shocks -- have received nothing yet.

&quot;They have told us on the radio that (U.S. President) Obama is sending help to us. So where is it? Explain it to all these people, please,&quot; said Donade Mars, organizing refugees camped on the lawn of the prime minister's office.

&quot;How much longer must we wait?&quot;

Though violence has only been sporadic on the streets, many fear that could change if the situation becomes even more desperate. All the criminals in Port-au-Prince's main jail have escaped, and locals said flames seen at the shattered judiciary headquarters on Saturday may have been from some of them trying to burn criminal case records.

Showing the basic nature of the aid effort so far, a U.S. helicopter landed in one open space near the port on Saturday and threw out boxes full of plastic bags and bottles of water before taking off again.

Haitians flocked around to grab the water, many drinking immediately and sharing with family members and friends.

Many, however, are unable even to move to help themselves.

Outside what was once Port-au-Prince's main hospital, two young girls -- who seemed to be sisters -- were among the scores of patients lying on makeshift beds in the street where just three foreign medical workers were trying to attend them.

The two, both injured and apparently orphaned, could not speak. &quot;They are in shock, they cannot talk,&quot; said Reuters photographer Kena Betancur. &quot;Nobody knows who they are, where they are from, and how they got there.&quot;

(Additional reporting by Carlos Barria, Jorge Silva and Kena Betancur; Editing by Pascal Fletcher and Kieran Murray)


© 2010 Reuters.

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Haiti estimates 140,000 dead, violence breaks out

That is a defeatist attitude. What are they going to do? build a tent city to hold 2 million people. Or even 10 cities of 200,000 people each??
Well the population of Portmore is 200,000 people.
That is a lot of people to move.
To build cities inclusive of sanitary,water and roadways.
Then You have to move the the stuff to them.
Now that is what happen when people do reactive management(crisis management).

management by crisis, is equal to driving an auto down the road, and only steer it after hitting each objest.
It woin't get very far, and it won't last too long either.

Just because He can sing.
does nto make him a good urbann planner.