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My daughter cried through the entire movie.
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my understanding is that it is the amount of violence in the movie that is the issue, not that there is violence per se. if it is enough to truly disturb adults, then would it be appropriate to show to young children? also, the appropriateness issue becomes relevant, i hear, because of the religious topic - what would be the effect of having children see a religious figure undergo that much torture onscreen?
i have to say that based on jedi's feedback of the nature of the film i will not be watching it. i have a low tolerance for violence in movies and teevee shows unless i can see that it is deliberately cartoonish and not meant to be seen as realistic (e.g., Kill Bill). But torture scenes are definitely not my thing. -
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Umm! O mi gosh I think I am in trouble but really Mntngyal, I was kinda sorry for my kid because it was horrendous, and I still find myself flinching and squeezing my back together everytime I think of it. But I couldn't get through to her that it was fiendish and overdone she insisted that it was the true picture of what happened [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] You know and even talking to some co-workers they believe that Jesus against all human limitations miraculously survived the beatings and batterings to go to the cross to be crucified. . Some even behave as though the movie is holy!Originally posted by mountaingal:
[qb] my understanding is that it is the amount of violence in the movie that is the issue, not that there is violence per se. if it is enough to truly disturb adults, then would it be appropriate to show to young children? also, the appropriateness issue becomes relevant, i hear, because of the religious topic - what would be the effect of having children see a religious figure undergo that much torture onscreen?
i have to say that based on jedi's feedback of the nature of the film i will not be watching it. i have a low tolerance for violence in movies and teevee shows unless i can see that it is deliberately cartoonish and not meant to be seen as realistic (e.g., Kill Bill). But torture scenes are definitely not my thing. [/qb]
I don't know I still don't believe that coercing people into believing is the way to go.Comment
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The effect it has had so far on each one of my children is positive.Originally posted by mountaingal:
[qb] what would be the effect of having children see a religious figure undergo that much torture onscreen?
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My 8 year old son cried when they crucified Jesus. He said that it made him sad but also "happy that Jesus loves me so much". He really wanted to understand sin better and specifically asked about lying and forgiveness.
My 12 year old daughter cried through the whole movie. She said "mom, there should be no one in our choir that doesn't sing better now that we saw what Jesus did for us" (most of the kids we took are in our young adult choir).
My 15 year old son was extremely quiet after the movie. The way he processed it seemed to be a very personal one and he requested to go to Sunday school. We have since gone back to
Sunday school prior to our church service. (I stopped going as a teen.)
Every single teenager we took cried through the movie and their reaction was guilt. It was only after we spoke to them after the movie that they realized there is no reason for guilt. That was taken from us at the cross. Each one said they would seek forgiveness for their sins and turn thier grief into praise.
I saw a change immediately in the youth that I advise and hopefully each one will take what was onscreen and turn that experience into a deeper, closer walk with God. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]ray:Comment
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I have not seen the movie but I have been reading the reviews. I have also researched crucifixtions and flogging techniques. From what I am told of the movie it is about as real as can be imagined.
I am amused that our children are exposed to so much violence on the net, in movies, on TV and in video games and that is OK to most. Suddenly it is a terrible thing to show what Christ would have gone through. I should say that I am not amused at the violence but at the concept that somehow Christ's suffering should not be depicted but that of others is entertaining.
I am also amused that our children are thought to be stupid, easily traumatized and understand nothing of reality. I disagree. They see, hear and understand more than we give them credit for.
If kids can see death and torture reduced to a video game than they can also see it for what it is. It is not pretty. They do not get points for being involved in the death of Christ. They are not given praise for a direct hit upon the nails piercing Christ's feet and hands. They will not be "high fiving" when the spear pierces Christ's side.
My guess is that they will think. They will look at themselves. They will understand the consequences of their actions (or so I would hope). They may understand that it is as though they are standing over Christ...that it is our failures that took his life. A life that He gave freely for us. And yet...knowing this...I still fail him...but He does not fail me. He does not turn from me but I do from him. THAT is the sad and hideous part.Comment
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There is a common misconception that the human body cannot take much. Perhaps we are so accustomed to western movies wherein the villian always drops dead with one bloodless shot. That is not the case.Originally posted by Jedi l:
[ But I couldn't get through to her that it was fiendish and overdone she insisted that it was the true picture of what happened [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] You know and even talking to some co-workers they believe that Jesus against all human limitations miraculously survived the beatings and batterings to go to the cross to be crucified. . Some even behave as though the movie is holy!
I don't know I still don't believe that coercing people into believing is the way to go. [/QB]
The movie will not coerce anybody. A viewer will understand or they will not. Nobody can be repulsed into faith. The movie WILL have the effect of causing believers to understand their faith more fully. Perhaps others may be exploring and will finally understand Christ's sacrifice.
The odd thing is that I cannot picture the movie as anything but an affirmment of my faith. I cannot be repulsed by the thought of seeing what I know is true. I AM repulsed at knowing that I, yes I, am guilty of what was done to Christ. I am even more repulsed in knowing the truth and yet I continue to sin.
However, the joy is in knowing the truth...that I have something that cannot be taken from me. I do not deserve it. I could never earn it. I received it freely. The cost is what is depicted by Mel Gibson. He is a courageous and dedicated man. He is nothing and yet everything in the sight of He whom he serves...just as you or me.Comment
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Reading these comments of crying children, of shamed and stunned children, reminds why invisible, all powerful gods, who let thier kids be beaten to death, won't have a seat at the table in the near future.
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and all of that pain and torture and violence was directed by jesus's father. the people who did those things to him had no choice in the matter. they were destined to do that to prove a point the almighty wanted to make.
the father's not coming across too wonderfully, i have to say.Comment
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I have not seen the movie but I have been reading the reviews. I have also researched crucifixtions and flogging techniques. From what I am told of the movie it is about as real as can be imagined
Tim the movie portrayed more than just a flogging, and way more than being crucified. Yet when I read the bible it makes reference only to being flogged, spat at and mocked and then crucified. Please go and see the movie.
(((Fortylegz))) and (((Mtngyal))) the movie portrays unequivocally the fiendish and totally depraved nature of mankind. Imagine that not even one soul offered to help him if even out of compassion that part grossed me out. That is not so unreal, look at when you see someone about to jump from a building, what is the crowd below usually hollering. Take right here on this website how many people have been "ganged upon" mercilessly and not a soul offers a word everyone remains silent. God allowed Christ to suffer (never mind the movie) and die at the hands of brutal men so that we might have everlasting life, and Christ took up His life again so He is not dead. It may all have been a true dipiction but by nature I cannot stand by and watch that type of thing and the movie horrified me, my daughter on the other hand cried and told her friends about it and life goes on, some may be right they (kids) are more accustomed to watching fiendishly, horrific blood splattering movies, I can't.Comment
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I agreeOriginally posted by Tim:
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I am amused that our children are exposed to so much violence on the net, in movies, on TV and in video games and that is OK to most. Suddenly it is a terrible thing to show what Christ would have gone through. I should say that I am not amused at the violence but at the concept that somehow Christ's suffering should not be depicted but that of others is entertaining.
I am also amused that our children are thought to be stupid, easily traumatized and understand nothing of reality. I disagree. They see, hear and understand more than we give them credit for.
If kids can see death and torture reduced to a video game than they can also see it for what it is. It is not pretty. They do not get points for being involved in the death of Christ. They are not given praise for a direct hit upon the nails piercing Christ's feet and hands. They will not be "high fiving" when the spear pierces Christ's side.
My guess is that they will think. They will look at themselves. They will understand the consequences of their actions (or so I would hope). They may understand that it is as though they are standing over Christ...that it is our failures that took his life. A life that He gave freely for us. And yet...knowing this...I still fail him...but He does not fail me. He does not turn from me but I do from him. THAT is the sad and hideous part. [/qb]
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I saw the movie today with my 14 year old daughter. We both were extremely touched by the movie. My daughter and I cried at the scenes showing the beatings and the crucifixion. It was an excellent film.Comment
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It should be an excellent film.
It keeps making money...Comment
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I heard it grossed many millions times more than what he spent to make the film
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I'm not taking my kids. But I do NOT allow them to play violent video games, watch violent TV - even cartoon violence - or surf the net without me. I think my position is therefore consistent.I am amused that our children are exposed to so much violence on the net, in movies, on TV and in video games and that is OK to most. Suddenly it is a terrible thing to show what Christ would have gone through.
I personally won't see the movie in the theaters. Perhaps if it comes to cable or something. This is partly because I hate violence and avoid movies that I know have graphic violent scenes and partly because I just don't get to movies much - the only one I'd seen out of the ones nominated for Oscars this year was Finding Nemo [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
I haven't seen a lot of discussion here on the anti-Semitism that some Jewish (and other) people are saying is there...have I just not read those threads?Comment
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by ohliz:
[qb]here, the only people i see are christians and those belittling them.
I haven't seen a lot of discussion here on the anti-Semitism that some Jewish (and other) people are saying is there...have I just not read those threads? [/qb]
Where are the other religions?
I had hoped to see islam, judiasm and others represented here as well...Comment
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