What's up in Heaven?

[Fledgist]

Re: What's up in Heaven?

Originally posted by coffeegyal:
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Originally posted by Fledgist:
I can understand that, but it is problematic. The religions that include transmigration emphasise getting beyond this world to a state of active non-being or presence without mind, and seem to believe that life in this world is highly unpleasant -- which for most of the human race, throughout most of history it has been. Constant recycling would suggest failure to make it up and out.[/qb]

I'm not certain (I'll have to go do some research), but I think Church of Divine Man gets around such "failure." I can't recall offhand if souls can "opt out" of the cycle once they've reached enlightenment, or if CDM uses the whole Christian, world-coming-to-an-end scenario. They pull from quite a few religious and new age traditions, so it's hard for me to keep track of which part of their philosophy aligns with which established religion.

I did have a pretty entertaining past life reading done through them, though, and when I asked about my purpose in this particular life, they said it's apparently to "have fun." That's what I get for not taking them seriously, eh?[/QB]

I'll have to look them up, and see what they're about.

[coffeegyal]

Re: What's up in Heaven?

Originally posted by Fledgist:
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I'll have to look them up, and see what they're about.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Their website is www.c-d-m.org, but it's not very specific or informational. It touches briefly on what it means to be psychic and/or clairvoyant, but doesn't go into any depth about the church's beliefs on past/future lives.

[rebelgirl]

Re: What's up in Heaven?

Originally posted by coffeegyal:
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Originally posted by Fledgist:
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I'll have to look them up, and see what they're about.[/QB]Their website is www.c-d-m.org, but it's not very specific or informational. It touches briefly on what it means to be psychic and/or clairvoyant, but doesn't go into any depth about the church's beliefs on past/future lives

The link is not working CG. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I've never really bought into the past life thing myself although i have to say the stories of some of the kids in India that can tell stories of lives of people they have never heard of are pretty interesting. One thing that blew my mind was when my daughter was 20 months old she was sitting there talking about something I wasn't quite getting and then she looked over at me and said past lives as clear as day. She was talking quite well at this point but i have no idea where the heck that came from. I've never really talked about reincarnation because I don't really buy into it. But like everything it facinates me.

Heaven well this planet could be all anyone could want in a heaven, if we would just drop the barbaric monkey routine. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Sorry I haven't read the rest of this thread just the last few posts so I have no idea how far off topic I just went [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[coffeegyal]

Re: What's up in Heaven?

Originally posted by rebel:
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The link is not working CG. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Sorry about that. Let's give it another shot. If this doesn't work, I found it by doing a Yahoo search on Church of Divine Man.

http://www.c-d-m.org/

Yeah, I like toying with the idea of reincarnation, but I'm not ready to buy into it. It's interesting in the context you mention (kids in India telling stories, etc.), but it's also interesting if you're looking for an explanation of why you feel an immediate connection upon meeting some people. In my CDM reading, for example, they told me that I'd been with my mom (in a variety of roles) and some of my friends in prior lives. They also told me my aura did a little leap of joy when I talked about my husband.

I invest about as much faith in it as I do astrology...fun to play with and imagine, but not reasonable enough to explain all that needs explaining.

[rebelgirl]

Re: What's up in Heaven?

Thanks interesting how they refer to the Christ force. I chuckled a bit, brought up a funny image of Jesus and Yoda battling Darth Vader [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Here's a link to some articles on child experiences with reincarnation.

http://www.childpastlives.org/library.htm

The case of Swarnlata is one of the first I read about years ago: Swarnlata

To me they are the most intriguing. It could simply be a matter of over active imaginations, but some of the details these children know are beyond what I could see being explained simply by their imagination. I supposedly as a small child used to go on about my dead brother. My mother thought I was just totally nuts, being that I never had a brother. I supposedly used to talk at length about how it was my fault, and how horrible it was. It all stopped when I was about 4 though. Personally I don't remember ever having talked about it, but I have been teased a good deal by my mom, and grandparents about it.

It is interesting the feeling of daja vu that come with meeting some people.

An interesting article on Childrens nightmares and past life experiences:

http://www.childpastlives.org/mills.htm

I had constant nightmares starting at the age of 2 about nuclear war long before I even knew what the atomic bomb was. Even though I don't believe in it part of me still thinks sometimes that maybe I was in Hiroshima or something, either that, or just tapping into the collective unconscious, and peoples worries about nuclear war. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Or I am just crazy [img]/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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[Fledgist]

Re: What's up in Heaven?

Originally posted by coffeegyal:
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Originally posted by Fledgist:
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I'll have to look them up, and see what they're about.[/QB]

Their website is www.c-d-m.org, but it's not very specific or informational. It touches briefly on what it means to be psychic and/or clairvoyant, but doesn't go into any depth about the church's beliefs on past/future lives.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Thanks.

[coffeegyal]

Re: What's up in Heaven?

Originally posted by rebel:
[qb]Thanks interesting how they refer to the Christ force. I chuckled a bit, brought up a funny image of Jesus and Yoda battling Darth Vader [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Here's a link to some articles on child experiences with reincarnation.

http://www.childpastlives.org/library.htm

The case of Swarnlata is one of the first I read about years ago: Swarnlata

To me they are the most intriguing. It could simply be a matter of over active imaginations, but some of the details these children know are beyond what I could see being explained simply by their imagination. I supposedly as a small child used to go on about my dead brother. My mother thought I was just totally nuts, being that I never had a brother. I supposedly used to talk at length about how it was my fault, and how horrible it was. It all stopped when I was about 4 though. Personally I don't remember ever having talked about it, but I have been teased a good deal by my mom, and grandparents about it.

It is interesting the feeling of daja vu that come with meeting some people.

An interesting article on Childrens nightmares and past life experiences:

http://www.childpastlives.org/mills.htm

I had constant nightmares starting at the age of 2 about nuclear war long before I even knew what the atomic bomb was. Even though I don't believe in it part of me still thinks sometimes that maybe I was in Hiroshima or something, either that, or just tapping into the collective unconscious, and peoples worries about nuclear war. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Or I am just crazy [img]/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
[img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [/qb]

(in my best Yoda voice): Mmmm. The christforce is strong in this one. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Thanks for those links, by the way. I had the chance to look quickly through them before heading home yesterday, and I kept thinking about them last night. It's tough to find a rational explanation for what those kids remembered. Verrrry interrresting...

[oren cousins]

Re: What's up in Heaven?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fledgist:
[QB][QUOTE]Originally posted by Wahalla:
[qb]Seriously what is the Christian heaven ? Was it not descibed as it was uncertain or it is up to the individual to create his image of it ?

NEWS FLASH

Some Jamaicans who recently ascended are making heaven intolerable by demanding modern reforms. Some Jamaicans who descended are making hell tolerable by recommending air-conditioning and the shutting down of the furnaces........ [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

DO YOU GET THE DRIFT?
Intolerable in heaven because the people who are up there before, they want no changes.in their life- style. Tolerable in hell because the people who are down there before, they want changes. Any other explanation of this debacle is worth a hearing even before a full court. or Supreme Court....... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[oren cousins]

Re: What's up in Heaven?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by oren cousins:
[qb][QUOTE]Originally posted by Fledgist:
[QB]

Originally posted by Wahalla:
[qb]Seriously what is the Christian heaven ? Was it not descibed as it was uncertain or it is up to the individual to create his image of it ?

NEWS FLASH

Some Jamaicans who recently ascended are making heaven intolerable by demanding modern reforms. Some Jamaicans who descended are making hell tolerable by recommending air-conditioning and the shutting down of the furnaces........ [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

DO YOU GET THE DRIFT?
Intolerable in heaven because the people who are up there before, they want no changes.in their life- style. Tolerable in hell because the people who are down there before, they want changes. Any other explanation of this debacle is worth a hearing even before a full court. or Supreme Court....... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [/qb]

[oren cousins]

Re: What's up in Heaven?

HAVE YOU READ " THE DUPPY " by Anthony Winkler: LMH Publishing ?

Yes sir! Yes Ma'am! Some profane imagination, eeh?

BE BACK IN SIX WEEKS TIME. Hasta luego.

[fOrTyLeGz]

Re: What's up in Heaven?

coffeegyal says, " Yeah, I like toying with the idea of reincarnation, but I'm not ready to buy into it. It's interesting in the context you mention (kids in India telling stories, etc.), but it's also interesting if you're looking for an explanation of why you feel an immediate connection upon meeting some people. In my CDM reading, for example, they told me that I'd been with my mom (in a variety of roles) and some of my friends in prior lives. They also told me my aura did a little leap of joy when I talked about my husband. "

So many of us are trying to make those "immediate connections." I can say this because I have spent many years passing through religious cults in my youth. It is such an easy handle for the unscrupulous to grab onto and start manipulating us. There is a large portion of humanity who is looking for people to recognize who they "Really Are." Those people who don't want to be recognized for what they have "Done," and are often pretty unconscious of what IS going on. Know what I mean?

It's like those folks who on meeting you want to know what sign you are, and then like big up your sign, and figure that they KNOW you. Chances are the conversation isn't going too far, unless of course you are looking to make "immediate connections."

[coffeegyal]

Re: What's up in Heaven?

40 - I do know what you mean about people using such recognition as a tool to trap those who lack self-respect. Maybe I didn't really describe what I meant by "immediate connection."

I'm not one to make friends quickly. I'm happy to converse with people, spend time getting to know them, etc. But, there are people who, upon talking for even a few minutes, seem very familiar--people who take less time to understand, people with whom I feel an instant "recognition". Perhaps it can be explained by said people having similar personalities or similar backgrounds, experience, education--whatever. I don't mean the kind of latching on that you're talking about--taking one piece of information (like an astrological sign) and using it to draw someone in. Rather, the whole reincarnation thing seems on the surface an easy way to explain why you feel you know some people more quickly than you know others.

[oren cousins]

Re: What's up in Heaven?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by oren cousins:
[qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by oren cousins:
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Originally posted by Fledgist:
[QB]

Originally posted by Wahalla:
[qb]Seriously what is the Christian heaven ? Was it not descibed as it was uncertain or it is up to the individual to create his image of it ?

NEWS FLASH

Some Jamaicans who recently ascended are making heaven intolerable by demanding modern reforms. Some Jamaicans who descended are making hell tolerable by recommending air-conditioning and the shutting down of the furnaces........ [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

DO YOU GET THE DRIFT?
Intolerable in heaven because the people who are up there before, they want no changes.in their life- style. Tolerable in hell because the people who are down there before, they want changes. Any other explanation of this debacle is worth a hearing even before a full court. or Supreme Court....... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [/qb]

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[oren cousins]

Re: What's up in Heaven?

Originally posted by oren cousins:
[qb]HAVE YOU READ " THE DUPPY " by Anthony Winkler: LMH Publishing ?

Yes sir! Yes Ma'am! Some profane imagination, eeh?

BE BACK IN SIX WEEKS TIME. Hasta luego.[/qb]