How do you understand what you cannot see?

[Rev James]

How can a man understand that which he cannot see nor feel? How do you understand the holy scripture, if you have no relationship with the person who inspired it?

2 Peter 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

)( Holy men of God speak it, and only holy men of God can grasp it, all the other people, God command to them is the repent.

2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

2 Cor. 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

2 Peter 3:16
a [some things hard to be understood] The things that Peter refers to are not listed, so it cannot be known what he would consider hard to understand. Had he possessed the whole New Testament Peter might have had more light on some of Paul's statements. Then, too, if he had not been a special apostle to the Jews he might have understood more fully Paul's doctrines to Gentiles concerning complete abolishment of the old law of Moses. Peter might not have been so definite about such doctrines due to his ministry among the Jews.
b [unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction] This should not be taken as proof that the Bible is hard to understand, or that the common man cannot understand it, for the unlearned and unstable not only stumble at the so-called things which are hard to comprehend by some, they also twist the so-called simple scriptures to their own destruction, not wanting to understand (Matthew 13:15-

[britisha]

Re: How do you understand what you cannot see?

How can a man understand that which he cannot see nor feel? How do you understand the holy scripture, if you have no relationship with the person who inspired it?

Maaawning Rev; good question, a deh it deh now. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[jedi]

Re: How do you understand what you cannot see?

Originally posted by britisha:
[qb]How can a man understand that which he cannot see nor feel? How do you understand the holy scripture, if you have no relationship with the person who inspired it?

Maaawning Rev; good question, a deh it deh now. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [/qb]

Secan dat motion (((Rev. James))) and (((Britisha))).

I always say it is like this.
John 9:
35 Jesus heard that they had put him out, and finding him, He said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?"
36 He answered, "Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?"
37 Jesus said to him, "You have both seen Him, and He is the one who is talking with you."
38 And he said, "Lord, I believe." And he worshiped Him.
39 And Jesus said, "For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may become blind."
40 Those of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these things and said to Him, "We are not blind too, are we?"
41 Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since you say, 'We see,' your sin remains.

[britisha]

Re: How do you understand what you cannot see?

Tell them Jedi, press along saint, press along. The word of the Lord shall be your strength.

One Love, ((Jedi)).

[Rev James]

Re: How do you understand what you cannot see?

wi in deah.

1 Cor. 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Cor. 2:14 [the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God] Two kinds of people (1 Cor. 2:14-15): 1.The natural man. Greek: , soulish (1 Cor. 2:14; 1 Cor. 15:44-46; James 3:15; Jude 1:19). This is man living under the control of the fleshly passions, the sensual and depraved part of man in contrast with the rational part (Galatians 5:19-21; Romans 1:29-32; 1 Cor. 6:9-11; Col. 3:5-10). He is the animal man as opposed to the spiritual man. He has no sense of spiritual values and no relish for them. He counts it the highest wisdom to live for this world and carnal pleasures. Spiritual things are foolishness to him. He cannot see their supreme
excellence due to animal appetites and being spiritually dead (Ephes. 2:1-9).
2.The spiritual man. Greek: , spiritual (1 Cor. 2:15; 1 Cor. 3:1; 1 Cor. 9:11; 1 Cor. 14:37; 1 Cor. 15:44-46; Galatians 6:1). This man is living under the control of the Holy Spirit and minds the things of the Spirit (Romans
8:1-13; Galatians 5:16-26). He has the mind of Christ and discerns and esteems
spiritual things above the sensual (1 Cor. 2:15-16). He is a new creature and
resurrected from death in trespasses and sins (2 Cor. 5:17-18; Ephes. 2:1-9; Ephes.
4:22-24). The lower animal passions have been crucified (Romans 8:12-13;
Galatians 2:20; Galatians 5:24) and put off (Ephes. 2:22-24; Col. 3:5-10)

[accepted77]

Re: How do you understand what you cannot see?

Least this become a dominant christian post of rejoicing, remember we are also commanded to be as 'wise as serpents but as harmless as doves'.

What I admire most about the spirituality forum is the high level of debates that some very intelligent persons here engage the christians of this forum.

CG describes us christians as sometimes condescending and I will admit that sometimes I become so in defense of what I see as 'too left feild" or sacreligious comments, but we are truly gifted in this forum with some real probing questions of our faith by MG and Rebel and aFer and Fiver and Q and Fledgist and even RC [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] .

I trully learn a lot from their questions the net result is the strengthening of my own faith.

Like JM once said lets encourage everyone to learn, maybe there is a wider audience out there who don't post but read these debates who benfit most from this forum.

Peace.

[Fledgist]

Re: How do you understand what you cannot see?

Just to bring you the word of a good christian, who shares your values, beliefs, and morals:

http://www.kukluxklanalabama.com/id62.htm

[jedi]

Re: How do you understand what you cannot see?

Originally posted by Fledgist:
[qb]Just to bring you the word of a good christian, who shares your values, beliefs, and morals:

http://www.kukluxklanalabama.com/id62.htm [/qb]

Are you a member of this particular branch, yourself? Seems like you'd fit in quite nicely.

[Fledgist]

Re: How do you understand what you cannot see?

Originally posted by Jedi:
[qb]

Originally posted by Fledgist:
[qb]Just to bring you the word of a good christian, who shares your values, beliefs, and morals:

http://www.kukluxklanalabama.com/id62.htm [/qb]

Are you a member of this particular branch, yourself? Seems like you'd fit in quite nicely.[/qb]

Hardly. I'm not a Christian, nor do I hate black people, which are fundamental requirements. I presume that you share their values and beliefs, as they're good Christians.

[Fledgist]

Re: How do you understand what you cannot see?

Here's another good Christian, with whom I'm sure all the Christians here agree.

http://www.iahushua.com/BeWise/lion.html

[jedi]

Re: How do you understand what you cannot see?

Originally posted by Fledgist:
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Originally posted by Jedi:
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Originally posted by Fledgist:
[qb]Just to bring you the word of a good christian, who shares your values, beliefs, and morals:

http://www.kukluxklanalabama.com/id62.htm [/qb]

Are you a member of this particular branch, yourself? Seems like you'd fit in quite nicely.[/qb]

Hardly. I'm not a Christian, nor do I hate black people, which are fundamental requirements. I presume that you share their values and beliefs, as they're good Christians.[/qb]

And aren't you going to also say that I hate black ppl too?

But no the fundamental requirement here is not so obvious (at least not to you anyway) that is why I think you could fit in very nicely.

PS neither are they Christians.

[britisha]

Re: How do you understand what you cannot see?

Just to bring you the word of a good christian, who shares your values, beliefs, and morals:

Ever heard of fakes?

[Fledgist]

Re: How do you understand what you cannot see?

Originally posted by Jedi:
[qb]

Originally posted by Fledgist:
[qb]

Originally posted by Jedi:
[qb]

Originally posted by Fledgist:
[qb]Just to bring you the word of a good christian, who shares your values, beliefs, and morals:

http://www.kukluxklanalabama.com/id62.htm [/qb]

Are you a member of this particular branch, yourself? Seems like you'd fit in quite nicely.[/qb]

Hardly. I'm not a Christian, nor do I hate black people, which are fundamental requirements. I presume that you share their values and beliefs, as they're good Christians.[/qb]

And aren't you going to also say that I hate black ppl too?

But no the fundamental requirement here is not so obvious (at least not to you anyway) that is why I think you could fit in very nicely.

PS neither are they Christians.[/qb]

They're not Christians? They why do they claim to be? They certainly sound like Christians to me.

Are you going to tell me that you disagree with the opening statement, or that it is not Christian:

"If God brings you to it-He will bring you through it.
Lord I love You and I need You, come into my heart, Today.
For without you I can do nothing."

This sounds a lot, in fact, like your own postings here.

I'd fit in at a Klan rally, about as much as I'd fit in at a revival meeting. That is, not at all.

[Fledgist]

Re: How do you understand what you cannot see?

Originally posted by britisha:
[qb]Just to bring you the word of a good christian, who shares your values, beliefs, and morals:

Ever heard of fakes?[/qb]

Yes.

In what way is this fellow not a good Christian?

[britisha]

Re: How do you understand what you cannot see?

In what way is this fellow not a good Christian?

Since when does the word "fake" imply "goodness"?

AS for your question, figgah hit hout yuhself.