Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

[Wahalla]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

Naw I was uner the impression that the land of Gog Magog was the Britis Isles... (Seriously This is from a generic dictictionary I had as a child.. Mythological index)....

[Wahalla]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

BRUTUS
The great-grandson of Aeneas. He accidently killed his father and fled from Italy to Greece, where he became the acknowledged leader of the enslaved Trojans. He led them away and, having been instructed by Diana while sleeping in her temple, sailed to Britain where he founded a second Troy - Troia Nova (Trinovantum) on the banks of the Thames. He defeated an army of giants and chained their leaders, Gog and Magog, to be his porters (See GOGMAGOG). Alternatively, according to Geoffrey of Monmouth, Corineus threw the giant Gogmagog into the sea. He is remembered as the ancestor of the Britons. See also: TROY

Memory did not fail...

[Wahalla]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

Another thing says.. Gog was the husband og the Celtic fertility Godess, Magog... so they were Irish...


OGRFAN “GAWR” of British Mythology, the Welsh OGYLE, the Irish OGHMAE (OGMA MAC ELAT), the Gallic OGMIOS, who left his name at “Pen O[g]yle”, in Morgannwg, the last Bronze Age King of Britain, was killed in battle fighting the invading Albanese, under BRUTUS. He is not to be confused by the myth of the Gallic Ogmios, who, according to Gallic Mythology, was defeated in battle by Hercules and taken captive back to Greece where he died a prisoner at an advanced age. Ogrfan/Ogmios was survived by two sons, called Gog and Magog in myth, who were saved alive “of the race of the giants” to be made sport of by the conquerors, and were compelled by Brutus to act as his porters. Their effigies have been housed in Guildhall for the past three hundred years. Geoffrey of Monmouth gives Ogrfan/Ogmios only one son, whom he calls Gogmagog, obviously confusing the two heirs making them one person. Gog recalls the old British name “Cuaich“, and perhaps also the mythological figure Cacus, a giant mentioned in Greek Mythology, who stole some of the cattle that Hercules had rustled from King Geryon of Spain. He sought refuge in Italy in a cave on the Aventine Hill but was killed by Hercules. Magog looks like the Irish name “Mac Cecht”. There is a legend that Magog was made to take part in a wrestling-match at Plymouth Hoe, Devonshire, and was hurled off a cliff by one of Brutus’ champions to fall to his death on a reef of rocks below. The bones of a giant were found in the 19th-century when the foundations of the Citadel of Plymouth were being dug that were identified as those of Magog, and were put on display in the Church of St. Mary Aldermanbury. Gog and Magog, the sons of Britain’s last Bronze Age king, Ogmios, were the last male-line descendants of Britain’s Bronze Age Royal House, and with their deaths the House of Ampher ends, circa 2000-1000/ or 750BC. The date here is depends on the identity of BRUTUS, the first Iron Age King of Britain, of whom later [chapter two].

[PILOT]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

Restless calf if I took myself seriously I wouldn't be in these hollow and unorthodox communication channels exchanging ideas with you and others who one wonders if they are members of the dark side.

What you and others don't recognise is that Technocracy now is in charge of social operations on all Continent, the days when systems of governing a community were based on "values " has passed, the social field the quantitative methods of physical science is boss now.

The renaissance of science took place at the beginning of a European age of trade. It was born among a materialistic people whose business entrepreneurs perceived that science could be used by them for power and profit, and with its application they reinforced their exclusive claim to the Earth and the Universe, reflecting the tyrannical absolutism of antiquity. "Might is right. Justice is in the interest of the Strong" is borne upon the heraldic arms of all exploiters whether King, commissar, president, theocrat or business/financial entrepreneur, who, since time immemorial, has with consummate deception and propaganda created a coven of witches, heretics, communists, or dissidents to divert the attention of their sycophants and moronic followers from their sophisticated, calculated control and corruptions.

That is part of the doctrine behind this current war and has been behind colonialism and industrialisation and now globalisation.

For some prior to science there was no dependable relationship between cause and effect; many belive that all "knowledge" and all theory were colored by man's prejudices, superstitions, and by his religions and some arrogant power and emotional interpretations.


What we have now is that "In the 20th century of civil society, the military/industrial complex of the United States invaded the higher academic facilities in the development of the ultimate weapon of the ideological enforcement of inequality and class stratification, and that is complementary to the vindictive ecclesiastic philosophy of "fall and redemption." It was an advent referred to in the farewell address of President Eisenhower as also heralding "the prospect of domination of the nation's scholars" in their free universities. Further penetration of the US universities that threatened the free exchange of ideas and the freedom of research sought control over genetic engineering by the commercial oligarchy with the potential on "The Human Agenda" of the creation of an inhuman race of "cyborgs", or as has been proposed in England that Parliament enact an "aristogenics" bill that would grant to the aristocracy of blood and mind certain eugenical privileges. In addition theologians of various persuasions, with political support, continue their interdiction of science and public education as a threat to their oracular realm of belief, superstitions, and grotesque gargoyles".

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Where we are now is that second beast from the land the media and techno-cratic beast is the one that is giving more power to the first beast of Democratic globalism.

Both infact is what has given birth to a one world
culture, and a globalised economy "babylon".Where now we are being left in the hands of the military and security systems.

For they are the sharp teethed that is eating up innocent souls, the military is getting more and more funding even in the poorest nations as defence from "Criminal thugs" "Drug gangs" "Malitias" has become a priority.

The fool head is being worked in fear and uncertainty this for no other purpose than to support a financial system that will always demand more and return less.


To distribute goods, our current haphazard, inequitable monetary system is based on speculation and domination and control of a few over a mass. Their is no balanced consuming power, in terms of tangible resource and energy, from birth to death. Right now cheating or robbing everyone else of their consuming power is what is at stake. Money/financial wealth is the only incentive, that explains the increase in money-related crimes, which now accounts for over 90% of all crime.

The following was adopted
From Impoverished Man in a World of Science
by Wilhelm A. Tietz • 1995

In 1975 a Christian gentleman wrote

According to John, this second beast forces the land and its inhabitants to worship the first beast, whose death-stroke (First and second world war) had been healed.

Think for a moment; aren't you yourself being forced to bow to the will of the majority? Aren't the modern scientific and technological achieve- ments promoting the worship of man's mind? Isn't technocracy making even the land itself submit to the will of the people? And yet, technocracy has not yet reached its full power! What will life be like when it does? The Bible tells. But, first notice the achievements of this beast which have already been initiated.


John states that it is performing great signs or displays of its abilities. It even causes fire to come down from heaven to the earth while men watch. This has already occurred, Witness the atomic fires which destroyed two entire cities in Japan at the end of World War II. This was accomplished by technocracy's two horns, science and technology. On a somewhat less spectacular scale, napalm fire was used extensively during the Vietnam war. But these are only samples of the destructive fire which men will see descending from the sky during World War III. Technocracy is ready; it awaits only the command from the opposing heads of the world-ruling democratic beast.

I would like to add that technology has reached its full power and it speaks today through the voice of its mouth piece Global media...in 2003.


Technocracy is democracy's most efficient means of governing the masses of individual citizens. A few aspects of a technocratic society are: numbers for identification; propaganda by mass media; instant two- way communication; and rapid transportation facilities. In fact, every aspect of democratic civilization is now being governed technocratically

[RollinCalf]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

Maas P, if I might be so bold as to ask, is which media house were you a "news director/newscaster/ reporter" for ?

[fOrTyLeGz]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

by PILOT:

Think for a moment; aren't you yourself being forced to bow to the will of the majority?

But it isn't a will that is in charge, it is mechanical determinism. Things happen exactly as they must happen. You do, say, and believe, EXACTLY as you must, given all that has happened to you and the circumstances you find your self in right now.

by PILOT:

Aren't the modern scientific and technological achieve- ments promoting the worship of man's mind?

Worship? Do you mean perhaps, "Do the brightest minds make the most money?" Yes. But what these brightest minds are doing is finding themselves at the cutting edge of their fields. Where new techniques are leading to constant new discoveries. They name these discoveries.

The trouble PILOT, is that in all of these fields that you would like to demean by labeling them "technocrats," magic, and magical thinking have no part to play. Those words, words about magic, are never spoken.

by PILOT:

Isn't technocracy making even the land itself submit to the will of the people?

Of course, but that is a good thing. I have faith. I believe human intelligence will eventually turn all human lives into a wonderful blessing. We will ALL live well. Many generations in the future of course, but magical thinking will not take us there.

by PILOT:

And yet, technocracy has not yet reached its full power!

Scientists are searching for answers, not power.

by PILOT:

What will life be like when it does? The Bible tells.

No one knows the future PILOT. No one. It is a magical belief to think someone knows the future. The Amazing Randi has a million dollars waiting for anyone to do ANY magical anything.

by PILOT:

But, first notice the achievements of this beast which have already been initiated.

"Beast"... Palleeeesst! You seem to be a bright young man, you write well. Check out this book... just a suggestion, called Sleeping with Extra-Terrestrials.

[RollinCalf]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

40, everything is the fault of Freemasons. They are preparing the world for the coming of the Antichrist.

[britisha]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

Pilot, what you do not realise is, Saddam will benefit from this war. He is one of the biggest traders in oil his own account, so you should not forget to include him among the "Babylons." The same for Osama binLaden and his billionaire family.

My Question is how much are we to blame for economic oppressive order of governments as we demand performances that allow us to gain wealth fast. How much is an improved economy fuelling Washington's decision to have war with IRAQ and when conscience comes into play should making a buck or two matter in the final policy decision?

The hypocrisy is obvious for intellectual types who even oppose the war are well deep into the world citizen ideaology of globalisation and so what we have are stakeholders jostling for their piece of whatever pie is located in the middle east ,africa or places not fully modernised as yet.

Again, Saddam is to be blamed here also in context of which you speak. The poverty in Iraq is astounding considering their earnings from the sale of oil. What is Saddam doing with the money, where is he hiding it? There are many secrets that most of us don't know...suffice it to say that I honestly think when the truth comes out, Saddam, Osama and the Bush's will be seen in the same light in terms of playing the economic game.

Those of us who play the market or invest in 401K's are pawns in a bigger game. You should be sympathising with us, not demonizing us for we have a lot to lose, more than you realise. On that basis, I think your argument is skewed. In closing I would like to ask what do you mean by places not "modernised" as yet. Did you forget that Africa was waaay advanced in mathematics, government, and science before the coming of the white man? Does "Timbuktu" the land of the oldest university ring a bell? Where did the father of "democracy" originate?

Westerners are newcomers to the game.

The question is, how do they regain the power and affluence they once enjoyed? The same could be asked of the Middle East. I guess I will join you and indict "money" and "greed" for that was the cause of their downfall, people selling out each other, the same thing that Saddam is doing now, selling out his people in the name of greed. The same thing in Nigeria since you mentioned it. It is bigger than you or I will ever imagine, in the final analysis it will be seen how personal interests are playing a major role in this war and terrorism. Let's put things into perspective.

[Fledgist]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

Originally posted by PILOT:
[qb] Restless calf if I took myself seriously I wouldn't be in these hollow and unorthodox communication channels exchanging ideas with you and others who one wonders if they are members of the dark side.

{Fledgist: Could you be specific here? And could we have this in English please?}


What you and others don't recognise is that Technocracy now is in charge of social operations on all Continent, the days when systems of governing a community were based on "values " has passed, the social field the quantitative methods of physical science is boss now.

{Fledgist: 'Technocracy' is 'the quantitative methods of physical science'? And it makes decisions?}


The renaissance of science took place at the beginning of a European age of trade. It was born among a materialistic people whose business entrepreneurs perceived that science could be used by them for power and profit, and with its application they reinforced their exclusive claim to the Earth and the Universe, reflecting the tyrannical absolutism of antiquity. "Might is right. Justice is in the interest of the Strong" is borne upon the heraldic arms of all exploiters whether King, commissar, president, theocrat or business/financial entrepreneur, who, since time immemorial, has with consummate deception and propaganda created a coven of witches, heretics, communists, or dissidents to divert the attention of their sycophants and moronic followers from their sophisticated, calculated control and corruptions.


{Fledgist: Rubbish.}

That is part of the doctrine behind this current war and has been behind colonialism and industrialisation and now globalisation.

For some prior to science there was no dependable relationship between cause and effect; many belive that all "knowledge" and all theory were colored by man's prejudices, superstitions, and by his religions and some arrogant power and emotional interpretations.

{Fledgist: Again, could we have this in English?}


What we have now is that "In the 20th century of civil society, the military/industrial complex of the United States invaded the higher academic facilities in the development of the ultimate weapon of the ideological enforcement of inequality and class stratification, and that is complementary to the vindictive ecclesiastic philosophy of "fall and redemption." It was an advent referred to in the farewell address of President Eisenhower as also heralding "the prospect of domination of the nation's scholars" in their free universities. Further penetration of the US universities that threatened the free exchange of ideas and the freedom of research sought control over genetic engineering by the commercial oligarchy with the potential on "The Human Agenda" of the creation of an inhuman race of "cyborgs", or as has been proposed in England that Parliament enact an "aristogenics" bill that would grant to the aristocracy of blood and mind certain eugenical privileges. In addition theologians of various persuasions, with political support, continue their interdiction of science and public education as a threat to their oracular realm of belief, superstitions, and grotesque gargoyles".


{Fledgist: Is there a fact in here/}
------------------------------------------------

Where we are now is that second beast from the land the media and techno-cratic beast is the one that is giving more power to the first beast of Democratic globalism.

Both infact is what has given birth to a one world
culture, and a globalised economy "babylon".Where now we are being left in the hands of the military and security systems.


{Fledgist: Of an economy?}


For they are the sharp teethed that is eating up innocent souls, the military is getting more and more funding even in the poorest nations as defence from "Criminal thugs" "Drug gangs" "Malitias" has become a priority.

{Fledgist: Might we have some data on this, in constant dollars?}


The fool head is being worked in fear and uncertainty this for no other purpose than to support a financial system that will always demand more and return less.

{Fledgist: Oh?}

To distribute goods, our current haphazard, inequitable monetary system is based on speculation and domination and control of a few over a mass. Their is no balanced consuming power, in terms of tangible resource and energy, from birth to death. Right now cheating or robbing everyone else of their consuming power is what is at stake. Money/financial wealth is the only incentive, that explains the increase in money-related crimes, which now accounts for over 90% of all crime.

{Fledgist: And you have data which demonstrate this?}

The following was adopted
From Impoverished Man in a World of Science
by Wilhelm A. Tietz • 1995

In 1975 a Christian gentleman wrote

According to John, this second beast forces the land and its inhabitants to worship the first beast, whose death-stroke (First and second world war) had been healed.

Think for a moment; aren't you yourself being forced to bow to the will of the majority? Aren't the modern scientific and technological achieve- ments promoting the worship of man's mind? Isn't technocracy making even the land itself submit to the will of the people? And yet, technocracy has not yet reached its full power! What will life be like when it does? The Bible tells. But, first notice the achievements of this beast which have already been initiated.

{Fledgist: Ho hum.}
John states that it is performing great signs or displays of its abilities. It even causes fire to come down from heaven to the earth while men watch. This has already occurred, Witness the atomic fires which destroyed two entire cities in Japan at the end of World War II. This was accomplished by technocracy's two horns, science and technology. On a somewhat less spectacular scale, napalm fire was used extensively during the Vietnam war. But these are only samples of the destructive fire which men will see descending from the sky during World War III. Technocracy is ready; it awaits only the command from the opposing heads of the world-ruling democratic beast.


{Fledgist: What, precisely, have you got against democracy?}

I would like to add that technology has reached its full power and it speaks today through the voice of its mouth piece Global media...in 2003.

{Fledgist: Proof?}

Technocracy is democracy's most efficient means of governing the masses of individual citizens. A few aspects of a technocratic society are: numbers for identification; propaganda by mass media; instant two- way communication; and rapid transportation facilities. In fact, every aspect of democratic civilization is now being governed technocratically [/qb]

Really?

[Fledgist]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

Originally posted by RollinCalf:
[qb] Maas P, if I might be so bold as to ask, is which media house were you a "news director/newscaster/ reporter" for ? [/qb]

I don't think it was High Times.

[britisha]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

Please forgive me y'all. I do beg your forgiveness but I can't help but say that I wish to thank some of you for the entertainment provided here. I could never afford to pay for this outside these forums. ~~~Waiee~~~ [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Keep them coming!!

[fOrTyLeGz]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

by PILOT:

Technocracy is democracy's most efficient means of governing the masses of individual citizens. A few aspects of a technocratic society are: numbers for identification; propaganda by mass media; instant two- way communication; and rapid transportation facilities. In fact, every aspect of democratic civilization is now being governed technocratically.

[RollinCalf]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by fOrTyLeGz:
[qb]

by PILOT:

Technocracy is democracy's most efficient means of governing the masses of individual citizens. A few aspects of a technocratic society are: numbers for identification; propaganda by mass media; instant two- way communication; and rapid transportation facilities. In fact, every aspect of democratic civilization is now being governed technocratically. [/QUOTE[/qb]

[PILOT]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

Britisha said "Those of us who play the market or invest in 401K's are pawns in a bigger game. You should be sympathising with us, not demonizing us for we have a lot to lose, more than you realise. On that basis, I think your argument is skewed. In closing I would like to ask what do you mean by places not "modernised" as yet. Did you forget that Africa was waaay advanced in mathematics, government, and science before the coming of the white man? Does "Timbuktu" the land of the oldest university ring a bell? Where did the father of "democracy" originate?"

My dear bigger pawns yes but the decision to enter into the corruptible markets in the first place has enprisoned many and even throw them into the debate of war as more than an observer for they have much to gain or lose economically depending on US foreign relations policy.

Much of the banking system and financial methods of quantifying that makes up apart of the spohisticated markets today originated in ancient Babylon, right where the war is taking place as we speak, its an empire that gave us much like africa but which have a greater stake in the playing for spoils in the endtime.

I spoke to the media and its role in the technocratic beast which can alos be viewed as materialistic science. The Fight is for our minds and the TV and movie industries have enormous influence on mens mind today. Movies, TV, Internet,publication convey the image of the current world system, the beast.


In 1 Kings 10: 14

Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talent.

This they were refering on the kings annual Income. Some have said this could well point to the 666 of Rev 13 : 18.

In todays world view earning an annual income even beyond retirement has become an obsession. Its this obsession of financial security that makes man even forget God. He his obsessed with buying and selling for securing his wealth.

today or tommorow we will go into the city you say and continue year after year and buy and sell and get gain. Where as you know not what shall be tomorrow. For what is your life? it appears today and for alittle time and vanishes away.For what we should say is if the Lord will we shall live and do this by his will.

so says james 4:13- 15

For Solomon had all the wealth possible and was measured 666 in gold talent per annum.

In the days of arable farming long before globalisation man would hunt, farm and live without having to worry about money and annual income.

Today man is imprisoned by buying nad selling of his talents for annual income. Some argue that the motivation behind work could well be sending many into the arms of the beast.

Almost every thing is done for money, or profit. This is especially so in cities and modern living.

For it was in Babylon of old that these schemes were derived such things as rent and lease, and paying to resceive service for cities amassed together folks who knew each other not and were motivated by exchanging for money.

Where as in farming communities folks would give and give generously to their neighbour, cities were consumed with people from all over and the culture dictate that you earned from those who you did not know not.

Its similar today in the US big cities a man will need credit check to rent or pay heavy deposit to lease a apartment while in the country areas of Jamaica and even Kingston we neither have checks or desposit as man beleive in good faith.

The striving after annual income whether in the markets or real wages should never take over the believer to the extreme that God is excluded. The Idol of Money and Golden calf dat the folks danced round in the wilderness has come back to life, as blood, sweat and tears of ones life a worship Beast.

Fortylegz It was to materialistic science and technology which has promised so much, while delivering environmental pollution. Science claims to liberate us from all myths yet it is the source behind the devils deception.

Its is science and technology that deludes the world performing great wonders in industry, medicine, space exploration, communication, and it is that same science that has developed weapons of mass destruction.

Aerial warfare, missles, and atomic bombs are agents of the land beast.

Solomon was a man who traded extensively in gold silver, gems, ivory, cinnamon, spices, wine, oil, wheat, cattle, sheep, horces, and chariots.

in 1 Kings 10 and 2 chronicles 9 it is spoken about. But whats interesting is that the prostitute who rides the beast trades in these things as well in the end times.

The number 666 could weel be pointed to extensive trading internationally similar to solomon thousand year before.

For as fortune names who are the top billionaires and where and how they earned their income many man try to emulate earning these incomes quoted annually.Its the financial system of trade and banking know as globalisation that is incharge of mens mind as we speak.

Thw desire to control global trade and money markets are being worshipped, while it persecutes Gods servants and blaspheme Gods name and redefine Gods purpose for this world.

Look at many churches where health and wealth doctrine are in full swing and merchandising and consumerist pitch is being made towards music, books, Video tape, candle, incense, and it goes on.

I still maintain that we are at a crucial time in biblical history and we have enough information at our disposal to measure the number of the man and why he cannot be sealed and cannot enter God s Kingdom in a state of vanity.

Solomon did devote himself to idolatry and had fallen away from the Lord. He admitted that he was no longer King of isreal, as he had fallen away taken up in vanity. His revenues were brought by merchants and traders.

His increase in knowledge brought an increase in sorrow. Solomon concluded that Man has no pre-eminence above beast for all was vanity.

Happy is the man that findeth wisdom and the man that getteth understanding for merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver and the gain thereof than fine gold.

How much it is to get wisdom than gold and understanding than silver!

As for my media exploits they were in your neck of the woods restless calf, News director/Newscaster for a 12-18 member staff of two minor programs on Wlrn public radio Mimai, Ft Lauderdale, keys. This while hosting Jazz show on a number of occasions, also did a stint with Pat Montique, Malcolm T as their Evening Newscater on WAVS 1170 AM the caribbean station.

It was great experience on Live and Delayed radio in the number 12 market in the US at a very young age.

[fOrTyLeGz]

Re: Mysterious economic Babylon on in these times...How are you Coping?

Originally posted by PILOT:

Happy is the man that findeth wisdom and the man that getteth understanding for merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver and the gain thereof than fine gold.

"Findeth?" "Getteth?" Are you losing your mind to King James speak?

Originally posted by PILOT:

How much (bettereth?) it is to get wisdom than gold and understanding than silver!

But PILOT, this is not "understanding" that you are going on and on about, it is the Rosecrutians you are talking. It is global conspiracy. It's war of the Roses. None of this stuff is REAL. You are a young man, don't you think that if this global conspiracy stuff were real that it would be EXPOSED? Of course it would. Believing (in) that garbage is no different than being in a cult. It is deluding. It allows the believers to FEEL suprerior to others. It is a noble cause for which believers are willing to sacrifice time and money to their leaders. Ever hear of Lyndon LaRouche ?

Originally posted by PILOT:


As for my media exploits they were in your neck of the woods restless calf, News director/Newscaster for a 12-18 member staff of two minor programs on Wlrn public radio Mimai, Ft Lauderdale, keys. This while hosting Jazz show on a number of occasions, also did a stint with Pat Montique, Malcolm T as their Evening Newscater on WAVS 1170 AM the caribbean station.

It was great experience on Live and Delayed radio in the number 12 market in the US at a very young age.

Good job! Proud of you.

Please don't tell your bosses that the BEAST IS COMING, or that these are the "END TIMES."