Originally posted by JesusDread:
[qb] She was a real person. A wife with a husband who loved her. A woman who made sacrifices helping the unfortunates in Iraq! Who did she harm?
MarieK you are a very callous person! [/qb]
And this is a real child. Who did he harm?
It is all sad. It is all callous. War harms the innocent, seldom the guilty.
Originally posted by Tigrrr:
[qb] It is all sad. It is all callous. War harms the innocent, seldom the guilty. [/qb]
You don't hear me or any sensible person come in here talking like that child deserved it or it's OK for any innocent person to be hurt or killed because a war is going on though!
Yet you call Marie callous for pointing out that there are two sides and both sides are suffering. When she mentioned the people suffering in Iraq, you blew that comment off as if their lives are of no consequence or are of less value than this woman's. Isn't that callous also JD?
to every Margaret Hassan thats killed,there`s at least a hundred iraqi children killed by american carpeting bombing of fallujah.
we dont hear of these,because their lives are not seen as important as Margaret Hassan,..they are nameless faceless "colateral damage".
to every life that is taken in this ill forgotten war,lay the blame solely at the feet of the trigger happy americans,..it was them that started this war,them that invaded iraq illegally,and them that is still killing randomly.
all those people that lost their lives whether being shot,bombed,be-headed,or raped to death by sadistic GI`S, would still be alive today,if not for america`s insistence on spreading democracy at the end of a gun. the americans are to blame for all the death and carnage,..no one else!!!
Originally posted by countrygrl:
[qb]
Our armed forces are fighting off their butts to keep us safe in this country... [/qb]
YES they are...keeping us safe from all those Weapons of Mass Destruction that were aimed right at us...
Originally posted by countrygrl:
[qb]May her soul rest in peact. God almighty take the case Lord. [/qb]
THIS we agree on....She was a good person who did not deserve to die...but there are 1000's just like her in Iraq that also did not deserve to die...the whole WAR is one big joke. YOu cannot have war and not expect people to die....EVEN the innocent. AS long as Bush and his supporters allow us to be over there fighting...people are going to die...GET USED TO IT!
Originally posted by countrygrl:
[qb] These thugs are losers and they know it.
Mrs. Marie K you should think about separting the good guys from the bad guys. Who do you think is who in this Iraq debacle.
Our armed forces are fighting off their butts to keep us safe in this country and all they get is negative vibes. I am just pi,s.d off for Mrs. Hassan. What brutes.
May her soul rest in peact. God almighty take the case Lord. [/qb]
your armed forces are not fighting their butts off to keep you safe,you`ve been fed a lie,and you`ve bitten into it hook,line and sinker,you obviously only listen to the broadcasters that spin and lie to make this damn so-called war look just from america`s point of view.
iraq was never a threat to america,so how can your forces be fighting to "keep you safe"...?
in my opinion,its the americans who are thugs ,it was them that illegally invaded a country,what would you have the iraqi people do,lay down and roll over like little puppies without defending themselves...?
what would you expect america to do if it was invaded by a foreign power,would you describe anyone who took up arms and defend america as "thugs"...?
why is there so much arrogance amongst some americans that they assume that other countries should merely turn the other cheek in the face of their aggression.
why is it that anyone who defend their country against america is either seen as "terrorist" or "thugs"...?
I am not only pisseddd off for mrs hassan, am ****** off for the thousands of iraqi children that has been killed by american bombs,I am ****** off for the thousands of innocent women that has been killed by american bombs.
america has invaded iraq,....iraq didnt invade america,...the people of iraq has every right to defend themselves from an agressive military power,even if they are being helped by so-called "terrorist",or "thugs"...the very same terrorist and thugs that america used,and was friendly with during the invasion of afghanistan by the soviet union,....it was america that armed some of these very same "thugs" in order to dispel the soviet union,..these very same thugs were friends of america then...only then they werent called "thugs",..or "terrorist"..they were called freedom fighters.
so why should these very same "thugs" fight so hard alongside america to dispel foreign soviet forces from afghanistan,..then turn around and ask for their tummies to be tickled when america invade the region...?
every life that is lost in iraq is as a result of america`s illegal invasion..it doesnt matter who is kiled,and how popular they were,or unpopular,before the invasion.
the blame lies solely at the feet of the arrogant trigger happy cowboys who illegally invaded,lets not get our facts all twisted. anerica is to be blamed for margaret hassan`s death..along with the other thousands of innocent lives lost in this illegal invasion
From my interaction with many people in the Middle East... I think most people would be ashamed that this happended to a guest... What more it happened to a woman married to a beleiver so.... I suspect that they would go around and tell the forigeners they respect how sorry they are...
I was in North Africa in 9-11... And the number of people who cane to reassure me was astonishing.. Even at the time they thought the US might bombe them.... Western who have not lived in middle east dont really see what or how senstive the Muslim worlf is to breach of etiquitee...
Originally posted by countrygrl:
[qb] These thugs are losers and they know it.
Mrs. Marie K you should think about separting the good guys from the bad guys. Who do you think is who in this Iraq debacle.
Our armed forces are fighting off their butts to keep us safe in this country and all they get is negative vibes. I am just pi,s.d off for Mrs. Hassan. What brutes.
May her soul rest in peact. God almighty take the case Lord. [/qb]
your armed forces are not fighting their butts off to keep you safe,you`ve been fed a lie,and you`ve bitten into it hook,line and sinker,you obviously only listen to the broadcasters that spin and lie to make this damn so-called war look just from america`s point of view.
iraq was never a threat to america,so how can your forces be fighting to "keep you safe"...?
in my opinion,its the americans who are thugs ,it was them that illegally invaded a country,what would you have the iraqi people do,lay down and roll over like little puppies without defending themselves...?
what would you expect america to do if it was invaded by a foreign power,would you describe anyone who took up arms and defend america as "thugs"...?
why is there so much arrogance amongst some americans that they assume that other countries should merely turn the other cheek in the face of their aggression.
why is it that anyone who defend their country against america is either seen as "terrorist" or "thugs"...?
I am not only pisseddd off for mrs hassan, am ****** off for the thousands of iraqi children that has been killed by american bombs,I am ****** off for the thousands of innocent women that has been killed by american bombs.
america has invaded iraq,....iraq didnt invade america,...the people of iraq has every right to defend themselves from an agressive military power,even if they are being helped by so-called "terrorist",or "thugs"...the very same terrorist and thugs that america used,and was friendly with during the invasion of afghanistan by the soviet union,....it was america that armed some of these very same "thugs" in order to dispel the soviet union,..these very same thugs were friends of america then...only then they werent called "thugs",..or "terrorist"..they were called freedom fighters.
so why should these very same "thugs" fight so hard alongside america to dispel foreign soviet forces from afghanistan,..then turn around and ask for their tummies to be tickled when america invade the region...?
every life that is lost in iraq is as a result of america`s illegal invasion..it doesnt matter who is kiled,and how popular they were,or unpopular,before the invasion.
the blame lies solely at the feet of the arrogant trigger happy cowboys who illegally invaded,lets not get our facts all twisted. anerica is to be blamed for margaret hassan`s death..along with the other thousands of innocent lives lost in this illegal invasion [/qb]
Truer words have never been written ..Well said neutral.... ...The sad thing is that those who make the decision to go to war never have to suffer the real evil and horrors of war, if they or their loved ones did have to directly experience it, they would certainly have made a different choice....If by killing all the resisting fighters the USA army and coalition thinks that they will have elimated the terrorist they are making a sad mistake, all this does is to create a more determined and angrier group of resisting fighters in years to come from all the orphans, widows and widowers they are now creating who will do nothing but hate the USA and coalition for the hurt, death and pain they have caused.
Amazing the impact done by the media to minds re: beheading of individuals compared to the broader factor of multiple killings and injuries re: the Little child with burns over arma and chest.
As Wahalla said about ettiquette, murdering a guest, a wife of a believer is more than shameful.
Infiltrating foreign borders and imposing on others their interests as to what they perceive to be right and say it is for the preservation of democracy is an irony.
The world has depleted in size and the population out numbered its holding area. The people of ancient countries such as Iraq and Afghanistan suffer the consequences such as the people of modern countries such as the USA in a conflict not born just on 9/11 but for many many years ago where aggression breeds hostility and hostility breeds war.
The conflict of religion, politics and oil-economics. The want all, know it all attitude of the self righteous once again as history has shown us has caused massive destruction all because of the want to preserve selfish beliefs and traditions.
Mankind at no length of time seems capable of living in peace. The 20th century was full of conflict, some threatening to wipe out human existence. The 21st century with all the science, technology and military might has not taught mankind to be humble and tolerant of others with conflicting interests. No, because to live by ones tradition and culture peacefully becomes over time, envy to another folk.
We are all mere animals, even with superior brain power we are mere animals. We decimate each other unknowingly to keep mother Earth from becoming over-populated. Generations come and go. We are mere mortals. Some of us will fight to death to preserve beliefs. Some of us are limited in pride.
Our pride is locked within our immediate surroundings which is forseeable to security and preservation of life.
Why can`t our pride be unlimited so as to be proud of our Earth rather than to exclusive securities, such as individual cultures and ethnic interests that each belong?
No, because there are those who weild power. Power to keep the tribe, the country in control.
It is when those that impose power outside their territory and threaten the livlihood and disturb the traditions of people outside their boundaries that cause this destruction that is now taking place.
If there is a call. A call for help to rid a tyrant. Take heed and help if you can.
But what afterwards?
Hang around and be part of a conflict that causes more lives to be lost and more suffering amongst the survivors.
There is a time and place for everything and I dont want none of you to come to my home and take it over just because you fixed my plumbing.
Originally posted by countrygrl:
[qb]
Our armed forces are fighting off their butts to keep us safe in this country... [/qb]
YES they are...keeping us safe from all those Weapons of Mass Destruction that were aimed right at us...
Originally posted by countrygrl:
[qb]May her soul rest in peact. God almighty take the case Lord. [/qb]
THIS we agree on....She was a good person who did not deserve to die...but there are 1000's just like her in Iraq that also did not deserve to die...the whole WAR is one big joke. YOu cannot have war and not expect people to die....EVEN the innocent. AS long as Bush and his supporters allow us to be over there fighting...people are going to die...GET USED TO IT! [/qb]
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...The sad thing is that those who make the decision to go to war never have to suffer the real evil and horrors of war, if they or their loved ones did have to directly experience it, they would certainly have made a different choice....If by killing all the resisting fighters the USA army and coalition thinks that they will have elimated the terrorist they are making a sad mistake, all this does is to create a more determined and angrier group of resisting fighters in years to come from all the orphans, widows and widowers they are now creating who will do nothing but hate the USA and coalition for the hurt, death and pain they have caused.
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