Soldier allegedly points gun at senior cop

[jah_yout]

Re: Soldier allegedly points gun at senior cop

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Newt</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sinco01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SweetSsop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

35 rachet an kitchen witch ..

dang ..
whe wrang wid kitchen witch </div></div>
den the kb is not some sort a lamp </div></div>


suh ah wah dem knife name .. ?
de wan wid de wide 2&quot; blade an bout a foot long wid de brownish/reddish handle ?

mi meba some people call dem kb .. </div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold"> ratchet</span> ....not many badman would be seen dead without his trusted ratchet in his back pocket,...always been the favourite cutting tool,.....carried one back in my rude bwoy days.

yea the standard ole reliable ratchet knife...

but the yankee yutes now refer to guns as ratchets

[evanovitch]

MGee wat exakly u a try seh bout mi...cause mi an dem mite

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">vannie, mi curious why di heapa rollyeye affa JFJ. for some reason mi wouldaan ting a your peeps dem dat. </div></div>

go di said school, know one anodda, etc etc mi fi rubba stamp dem juss fi dat...afta mi no assume dat who leff yaad pon banana boat etc still deh pon dem knees etc etc...i am an individual who thinks for herself an mek har own decisions bout nuff.. mi know it is thought rung yah but mi seh mi naw apologise fi any privilege mi ha access to but mi naw be defined by it eida...tonx

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Soldier allegedly points gun at senior cop

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Newt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I suspect that the senior cop wasnt wearing anything to identify him as a senior cop...</div></div>He was in uniform!

[mountaingal]

Re: MGee wat exakly u a try seh bout mi...cause mi an dem mite

hokay mam. thanks for the hexplanation.

ETA - mi juss realize seh you change up di subject line. i was in jamaica in the late 1990s when JFJ was being formed. to me them was like a lot of the champions of the environmental movement - earnest, miggle to upper class, and struggling to connect with the jamaican masses about what ought to be a big issue for jamaican masses but to which jamaican masses usually don't have time or energy to apply.

it was di brown ppl ting mi waina try seh bout you.

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Tuesday, 17 June 2008
<span style="font-style: italic">Human rights lobby group Jamaicans for Justice (JFJ) is expressing concern about the operation.</span>
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I don't overstand are you frowing on JFJ arguments or are saying they have no standing, have not gone far enough, what?

[barosa]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I suppose that military officer may not have much of a future, as I am sure he has inspired fear in the ranks of government. Surely, he would be most likely expected to lead a coup... <span style="font-style: italic">At the same time I don't think that incident will go further than mild discipline.</span></div></div>
Littleman, you may well be right on this. Jamaica, especially since &quot;independence&quot; has veered away from the &quot;traditional discipline&quot; that used to be the hallmark of &quot;life&quot; there in earlier times... It is no coincidence that crime has reached such a high level and respect for life and property has diminished and continues to do so... I dont expect that the soldier would get what he deserves if he had done it say, in Britain or US. Honestly speaking, I would be surprised if he got more than a &quot;slap on the wrist&quot; after the JCF High Command has reviewed the matter...
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[iches]

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If the officer was in uniform, then he had no right to have communication with the soldier, as the soldier only takes orders from his command while on duty.

The key to this is: &quot;What was the communication?&quot;

If the soldier told him to back off and he didn't do it, then the soldier had every right to defend himself. Lucky he wasn't shot on the spot!

There are two types of forces here, one to keep the peace and the other to defend. Only higher ups in ranks can give orders and those orders are only obeyed from their known voice commanders.

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: iches</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the officer was in uniform, then he had no right to have communication with the soldier, as the soldier only takes orders from his command while on duty.

The key to this is: &quot;What was the communication?&quot;

If the soldier told him to back off and he didn't do it, then the soldier had every right to defend himself. Lucky he wasn't shot on the spot!

There are two types of forces here, one to keep the peace and the other to defend. Only higher ups in ranks can give orders and those orders are only obeyed from their known voice commanders. </div></div>

You are talking <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">nonsense</span>!

The soldier had no right to assault anyone under Jamaican law. The soldier cannot and should not if he was to be leading an operation. The Superintendent is in charge of the Parish while operation can be mounted without his knowledge, this Operation was a gross mistake, was not conducted properly.

I have been saying that these Dancehall Raids are dangerous and should be discontinued; they serve no purpose but to further infringe upon and disrespect Jamaican Citizens. Of the more than 100 persons detained, 3 guns were found and one man released, does this make a lick of sense?

[iches]

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Its not NONSENSE...just trying to get answers and was the soldier a ranked one?

Maybe, if you have the time to do the research - back in the late 60's early 70's when there were a lot of joint opts, there were errors and clashes made between the two forces, and both always had it that they were right.

Ok - there are two dogs, one always on the go - free! The other in a cage or pen all day long, put the two together on a mission and see which one is doing the work!

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: iches</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its not NONSENSE...just trying to get answers and was the soldier a ranked one?

Maybe, if you have the time to do the research - back in the late 60's early 70's when there were a lot of joint opts, there were errors and clashes made between the two forces, and both always had it that they were right.</div></div>
I know the history I was there. All intuitions became a tool of a corrupt State and it has remained so ever since. The Army Officer is said to be a Major.

As for Harry Bungles everyone familiar with what is going on in no way shape or form surprised that this Operation was launched against him and they are not surprised from what place it is launched either. I think nothing will come of it publicly but I bet there is some folks that will be constantly watch their backs.

[Q3210]

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This morning a news report stated that 107 were held and 106 were later released because one had absconded bail and the rest they could find no charges to lay on them.
However, there is a possibility that `money drop` so as to leave whoever the untouchables are.

[barosa]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think nothing will come of it publicly but I bet there is some folks that will be constantly watch their backs.</div></div>

I am aware of a long standing &quot;sort of tention&quot; between our two forces. It's amazing that they have managed to work together this long without any noticable fights or disturbances. We can only hope that in the interest of what passes for law &amp; Order these days, they can continue to work together. It's frightening to contemplate any of them having to watch their backs while working together.
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[Q3210]

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Interesting times. In between we have a Rear Admiral leading the JCF, a retired Colonnel as Minister and by the way who is it that`s in charge of the army?

[iches]

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According to Tuff Gong - the Superintendent was in uniform, also was the Army Major. That answer that.

Now, the next missing part of the story is: &quot;The conversation!&quot; what was said, that caused the reaction.