Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

It is crass to completely propose a lie. this lie supposees the exact the opposite of my principle of many post, to ridicule my arguments.

She not only try to ridicule my statement, but did so an a lie that is actually proposing the complete opposite of my proposal.
Put up a star man of her own creation .
One that is opposite to my proposal and then use it to ridicule my statements of tears.
That is not just crass, but bordering on misrepresentation of the facts.
My principles as stated in every post is one of out numbering the armed criminals by making it equitable of all law abiding especially the black ones,to be legally armed. thi swill remove the advantage that the criminals use to maintain their want murdering at will of people with and without legal firearms.
i didn't expect the majority to understand th principles behind it. I have always come up with solutions to problems that the majority never get. until they see the effects. then they daftly claim it a miracle.
this is not unique with the ordinary people either i regularly have PHd's and supposedly smart people open their eyes and proclaim miracle simply because they are not familiar with the principles behind an action. incidentally I never propose anything unless it has a proven principle that i find infallible.
But that is me and there are not a lot that think like me. Not that I am smart. It is just that i am like that. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RicharD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">maybe you could make it easier and point it out for us(the original crassness).

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[loops]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

let me help you out with this logic my learned friend.

just because i don't agree with what you state...does not mean i don't &quot;get&quot; your logic.

i expect to be wood?

[loops]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is crass to completely propose a lie. this lie supposees the exact the opposite of my principle of many post, to ridicule my arguments.

She not only try to ridicule my statement, but did so an a lie that is actually proposing the complete opposite of my proposal.
Put up a star man of her own creation .
One that is opposite to my proposal and then use it to ridicule my statements of tears.
That is not just crass, but bordering on misrepresentation of the facts. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RicharD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">maybe you could make it easier and point it out for us(the original crassness).

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ok...now THAT statement...i'd need a translator to get.

i am not ridiculing you....i merely pointed out that the man had a gun...i did not protect him. good lord man....take a pill.

[loops]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

and please to point out where i lied?

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

You go back and read every post that i deal with the reason and action to solve the high murder rate. then you should see your blatant lie as soon as you are able to look at what I have proposed. It is important that you read objectively though.
otherwise your personal opinion will colour your views. and we will be right back to where we start. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: loops</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and please to point out where i lied? </div></div>

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

where have I ever propose that armed business men in Jamaica would prevent criminals from murdering them.

as a matter of fact i gave that Tobe the reason why they are being murdered. and my proposal is to remove the advantage of the gunmen.
The same mandeville people form vigilante group, and i stated then that it will be only a matter of time before the criminals outfox them.
and instead of just ribbing them will really kill them As Rich State that woman is lucky to be alive.

Since they will want to remove all witnesses.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: loops</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is crass to completely propose a lie. this lie suppose the exact the opposite of my principle of many post, to ridicule my arguments.

She not only try to ridicule my statement, but did so an a lie that is actually proposing the complete opposite of my proposal.
Put up a star man of her own creation .
One that is opposite to my proposal and then use it to ridicule my statements of tears.
That is not just crass, but bordering on misrepresentation of the facts. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RicharD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">maybe you could make it easier and point it out for us(the original crassness).

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ok...now THAT statement...i'd need a translator to get.

i am not ridiculing you....i merely pointed out that the man had a gun...i did not protect him. good lord man....take a pill. </div></div>

[loops]

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some one else will have to &quot;reason&quot; with you dudd...if you're going to continue to call me a liar...we're done here.

and by the way....you're overblown ego is getting in the way of your &quot;logic&quot;

on to solve more pressing matters...

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

Right now that is the most pressing matter that i have. Me and my ego.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: loops</div><div class="ubbcode-body">some one else will have to &quot;reason&quot; with you dudd...if you're going to continue to call me a liar...we're done here.

and by the way....you're overblown ego is getting in the way of your &quot;logic&quot;

on to solve more pressing matters...
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[Panajar]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IQ is very important in understanding my principles. It take a little more than being able to read. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: loops</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the man had and used his firearm dudd....he's still quite dead. in this case, that gun didn't help him at all. </div></div> </div></div>


LOL

SHE DONT OVERSTAND HOW JAMAICA RUN ONLY &quot;SPECIAL&quot; PEOPLE GET LICENCE FIREARMS

[RichD]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

SHE DONT OVERSTAND HOW JAMAICA RUN ONLY &quot;SPECIAL&quot; PEOPLE GET LICENCE FIREARMS </div></div> what was special about Mr Young?

[Panajar]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

SHE DONT OVERSTAND HOW JAMAICA RUN ONLY &quot;SPECIAL&quot; PEOPLE GET LICENCE FIREARMS </div></div> what was special about Mr Young? </div></div>..LETS START WITH HIS LAST NAME ....<span style="font-weight: bold"> BIG ADVANTAGE </span>

[RichD]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

SHE DONT OVERSTAND HOW JAMAICA RUN ONLY &quot;SPECIAL&quot; PEOPLE GET LICENCE FIREARMS </div></div> what was special about Mr Young? </div></div>..LETS START WITH HIS LAST NAME ....<span style="font-weight: bold"> BIG ADVANTAGE </span> </div></div> so black Jamaicans with Asian sounding last names are special?

[diabolical_Tanya]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

SHE DONT OVERSTAND HOW JAMAICA RUN ONLY &quot;SPECIAL&quot; PEOPLE GET LICENCE FIREARMS </div></div> what was special about Mr Young? </div></div>

wonder what so special bout alllll di people a yaad mi know who have licenced firearm

[Panajar]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

FI ALL THE PEOPLE WHO FRAID FE CAAL A SPADE ASPADE LIKE DR DUDD HAVE BEING SAYING IT IS MUCH HARDER FOR A AVERAGE BLACK JAMAICAN TO GET A FIRE ARM LICENSE. HERE IS A ARTICLE IN THE GLEANER THAT WILL SHED SOME LIGHT ON THE SUBJECT.


&quot;<span style="font-weight: bold">Some eight weeks ago I sat in the private office of a supermarket owner in a western parish and heard him telling a police officer which applicant could or could not get a firearm permit. It was a telephone conversation and the supermarket guy referred to his caller as 'Supe'. &quot;No, him no fi get none &quot; &quot;Yea, him can get an him can get. Mi know him an ting, but dat man no fi get none &quot; Forgive my ignorance, but is that the process of checking references?&quot;</span>


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I want a gun'

Melville Cooke, Contributor

I WANT a gun. Not just any gun, but a big one like those shotguns the security guards carry. I want something that not only kills, but sounds like it kills everything.

I don't want a handgun, because I don't want something to carry around with me. It is also too small; I don't want something that I may have to fire more than once per target. I want that 'shottie' for my home, to be put in a safe place and only removed in times of mortal danger to my family.

In other words, when it is used somebody must die. (Do you carry shotguns to the range anyway?).

I do not wish for this to be an exclusive situation; I do not wish for a gun only for myself. I want every adult over 25 to be allowed to purchase a firearm of their choice (short of automatic weapons) upon proof of citizenship and domicile, subject to verification before the weapon is provided.

In other words it would be like buying bread, but with a waiting period.

It would seem to me that the police are unable to provide protection for all members of the society. It would also appear that they are unable, Crime Management Unit and all, to disarm or kill all the 'shottas' in the society.

It would also appear that the only people who do not have an illegal firearm in this society are those who do not want one. And it would further appear that most of those who wish a legal gun have a heck of a time.

<span style="color: #CC0000">The end result of all those appearances is that he or she who plays by the rules not only get shafted, but also shot.</span>

<span style="color: #CC0000">The process of obtaining a firearm licence is a can of worms all in itself.</span> Those of us who read the STAR (even in the privacy of their bedrooms, the curtains safely drawn) will remember the gunshots that marked the 'Fully Loaded' dancehall show. The police searched cars leaving the venue and firearms were seized.

Legal ones

Then there was the recent case of the tavern operator who got into a parking squabble with one of his customers. The customer proceeded to use his legal pistol to enforce his point and when the smoke cleared two people were dead.

It raises the question of how such irresponsible people came to have gun licences. From where I sit, the process of granting these licences is fraught with friendship, largesse and corruption.

<span style="color: #CC0000">Some eight weeks ago I sat in the private office of a supermarket owner in a western parish and heard him telling a police officer which applicant could or could not get a firearm permit. It was a telephone conversation and the supermarket guy referred to his caller as 'Supe'. &quot;No, him no fi get none &quot; &quot;Yea, him can get an him can get. Mi know him an ting, but dat man no fi get none &quot; Forgive my ignorance, but is that the process of checking references?
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I really don't think so.

There are those who will argue that a free-for-all on gun ownership will lead to more carnage in our society. I don't buy that argument.

For one, a person will not need to kill another because they want his or her firearm. They will be able to get what they want for themselves pretty easily in the first place. It may also be argued that gangs of miscreants will be formed and these groups will terrorise the society. Wake up, it is happening now and has been for some time.

Those who say that there will be more domestic murders may have a needle-sized point. However, I believe that we would have more a change of method than an increase in numbers. In other words, a man who shoots his woman and then himself would have stabbed her and then cracked his own neck with a rope anyway.

What I do believe 'guns for all' would lead to is a reduction in crime. There are not many 'bad men' around. There are many vicious thugs, but not man real 'bad man'. The bad man is fearless, real Clint Eastwood B-Movie fearless. The 'shotta' is a person with a gun who preys on people who have none, or who attacks those who do in vastly superior numbers.

(An aside. We often confuse cruelty and courage, mistaking those who practice the former vice as possessing the latter quality).

How many robbers would brazenly walk into a businessplace and demand the cash if they could not tell what sort of firepower lay between them and the safety of their lairs, what with the proliferation of cellular phones? How many criminals would try to break into someone's home in the night if they did not know if a shotgun was waiting with a shell marked 'tief'?

And how many rapists and car thieves would prey on women if they did not know if she had a .32, .22. or .38 to defend herself and her property? Many snort at Neighbourhood Watch signs, but how many would test 'Neighbourhood Shot' ones?

Not many of these snivelling shottas, I am willing to bet.

Do you remember the arms race? There was enough nuclear power on both sides to destroy the world several times over, but nobody squeezed the red button. The thing with war is that everybody wants to live. And that applies to the criminal as well.

So I say guns for all adults, 25 and over. The Government seems unable to provide security for all (what is the average reaction time to 119 calls anyway?), as well as unable to remove all illegal firearms.

I heard a man on radio attributing the firepower in an inner-city community to the residents needing to defend themselves. So what am I in my middle-class neighbourhood, too poor to afford private security and too nice to get a tool?

A nice, helpless target?

Melville Cooke is a freelance writer.

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[diabolical_Tanya]

Re: Robbers murder Mandeville businessman again

and you have posted this one SAME article on the board before so it would appear that that is your only proof.

I know <span style="text-decoration: underline">personally</span> ordinary black Jamaicans who own licenced firearms and to me that holds more weight than the one newspaper article that is ONE persons OPINION wheel an come again Panajar