Two-Jamaica syndrome needs to be understood:Seaga

[Panajar]

Re: Two-Jamaica syndrome needs to be understood:Seaga

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _____</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ja. Jewel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please enlighten me....who are the 21 families?....thanks. </div></div>



&quot;Carl Stone's research coincides with Thomas' argument, emphasising how these families have strengthened their position as the managers of the Jamaican political economy.

In the transition from a plantation-dominated economy in which there was an ascendant White rural planter class to a more diversified urban-centred economy there has emerged a powerful grouping of urban-based wealthy families mainly of Jewish and Arab ethnic origin...They have penetrated and dominated many areas of the Jamaican economy...Included among these are the following 15 families who are perhaps the most powerful, active, and influential families in the economic and political power domains of the country and they represent an important segment of the effective class leadership among the rich capitalists in Jamaica:

Powerful Business Families
Matalon, Ashenheim, Hendrickson, Facey, Mahfood, Issa, Hart, Henriques, Desnoes, Geddes, DeLisser, Clarke, Rousseau, Stewart, Kennedy
(Stone, 1986, 38-39)&quot;

- Blood, Bullets &amp; Bodies by Imani Tafari-Ama </div></div>

[Ja. Jewel]

Re: Two-Jamaica syndrome needs to be understood:Seaga

I only know 5 of those names, but am not all that up on Jamaican politics, but where are the missing 6 names?

[Panajar]

Re: Two-Jamaica syndrome needs to be understood:Seaga

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _____</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I went to school with one of the Henriques who at the time was promised to a Matalon...she decided later on in life to marry outside of the family...a non jew at that...

oh an Sean Paul is one a di Henriques dem to </div></div>

Well hissa sun married a Indian ,and him pupa bex almost dis own him,i wanda wat him would do if she was black?

[julie*mango]

Re: Two-Jamaica syndrome needs to be understood:Seaga

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ja. Jewel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I only know 5 of those names, but am not all that up on Jamaican politics, but where are the missing 6 names? </div></div>

Beats me..many argue that the 21 families theory is just that...

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Two-Jamaica syndrome needs to be understood:Seaga

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are absolutely correct the <span style="font-size: 17pt">over seer class</span> is mostly black ,the operative word <span style="font-weight: bold">overseer</span> .The real masters always have a tom looking out for their interest .Jamaica is 90% black,yet you have a PSOJ that has never had a black president,you would be hard press to find more than a few blacks in the top 25 wealthiest people in Jamaica. How many black families are included in the legendary <span style="font-size: 17pt">21 families?</span></div></div>

You are missing the point <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">the two-Jamaica's</span> is not necessarrily about wealth. The line of demarcation for the 2J start right at Uniform Class (police fireman, doctors, nurses, civil servants), those who are treated better because they wear a uniform, work for the State and live in certain Postal Codes.

The bad treatment of the masses in the overwhelmingly, black-skinned and poor Jamaica, come from their own race, shade and colour.

Can <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">you</span> point out to me where groups of Chiney, Indian or any one the so-called 21 Familes have been implicated in the 15K murders that make Jamaica the murder capital of the world?

Can <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">you </span>point out to me where Chiney or Indian Politicians have been in a Majority as a Government and Governing Jamaica in such an inept and corrupt fashion as our Black-Skinned brothers and sisters have?

The PSOJ is an organization of the privalge sins and daughters of Jamaica so it harldly likely that we can stay on the outside and force their hands. there are however many Black-Skinned, Wealthy Jamaicans who are in the Private Sector, some whom are in the Private PSOJ Club, I am pretty sure are not waiting around to ascend to the leadership of a minority private organization to demonstrate their worth.

We have had Black-Skinned Leaders for eons, what good has that brought us collectively? The Black-Man-Thyme-Now revolution of the 90s seems to have only resulted in, <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">more man have gyal</span> and more <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">corruption</span>.

Lets talk about <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">the rea</span>l and stop trying to push narrow racist/race baiting agenda using half-truths and lies based on envy of folks who have used the opportunity afforded to them to make progress.

[Panajar]

Re: Two-Jamaica syndrome needs to be understood:Seaga

<span style="font-size: 20pt">Capturing the State</span>

John Maxwell Sunday, December 06, 2009

n<span style="font-weight: bold"> those days people like Trevor and I were exercised about the prospect of the Jamaican state being captured by local elites. In discussions at my house with Trevor and some other members of the Young Socialist League, I mentioned my theory that Jamaica was controlled by about 21 families and that they could be tracked quite easily</span>.


<span style="font-size: 17pt">Whenever a member of one of these families died, whole swathes of trade and industry were closed down on the day of the funeral and the names of these enterprises were published in the Gleaner to impress the hoi polloi.</span>

One of Trevor's associates took up my idea in a pamphlet which really did not do justice to the theory. <span style="font-size: 17pt">It is an idea that is still relevant, particularly when the society is delving into the decision-making behind FINSAC and other manifestations of private sector hegemony.</span> The media and others are asking Omar Davies for answers to questions which they already know; rather like a cuckolded husband asking his wife for the name of her lover.

<span style="font-size: 17pt">Quite simply, the Jamaican elite threatened to use their money to bet against the Jamaican currency and create political chaos. The high interest rate regime was a socially sanctioned bribe to encourage the rich to behave themselves. </span>Remember how they derided Butch Stewart's campaign to stabilise the exchange rate?

It is my opinion that blaming Omar Davies for the economic debacle that is Jamaica is like blaming the undertaker for the murder.

That is why in 1997 I described the Patterson economic regime as the greatest machine for the transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich since the end of slavery.

When the IMF/World Bank Washington Consensus was consolidating its takeover of Western hemisphere politics, most of us were unaware of the connections between the pot-banging housewives of Chile and the formation of new private sector coalitions all over the Americas to repel and defeat bloodthirsty socialists intent on such revolutionary anti-democratic schemes as National Minimum Wages, Equal Rights for Women and human rights for Haitians.

One of the first casualties, of course, was Salvador Allende and Chilean democracy.<span style="font-weight: bold"> Jamaica soon followed.</span>

yaso

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Two-Jamaica syndrome needs to be understood:Seaga

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-size: 20pt">Capturing the State</span>

John Maxwell Sunday, December 06, 2009

n<span style="font-weight: bold"> those days people like Trevor and I were exercised about the prospect of the Jamaican state being captured by local elites. In discussions at my house with Trevor and some other members of the Young Socialist League, I mentioned my theory that Jamaica was controlled by about 21 families and that they could be tracked quite easily</span>.


<span style="font-size: 17pt">Whenever a member of one of these families died, whole swathes of trade and industry were closed down on the day of the funeral and the names of these enterprises were published in the Gleaner to impress the hoi polloi.</span>

One of Trevor's associates took up my idea in a pamphlet which really did not do justice to the theory. <span style="font-size: 17pt">It is an idea that is still relevant, particularly when the society is delving into the decision-making behind FINSAC and other manifestations of private sector hegemony.</span> The media and others are asking Omar Davies for answers to questions which they already know; rather like a cuckolded husband asking his wife for the name of her lover.

<span style="font-size: 17pt">Quite simply, the Jamaican elite threatened to use their money to bet against the Jamaican currency and create political chaos. The high interest rate regime was a socially sanctioned bribe to encourage the rich to behave themselves. </span>Remember how they derided Butch Stewart's campaign to stabilise the exchange rate?

It is my opinion that blaming Omar Davies for the economic debacle that is Jamaica is like blaming the undertaker for the murder.

That is why in 1997 I described the Patterson economic regime as the greatest machine for the transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich since the end of slavery.

When the IMF/World Bank Washington Consensus was consolidating its takeover of Western hemisphere politics, most of us were unaware of the connections between the pot-banging housewives of Chile and the formation of new private sector coalitions all over the Americas to repel and defeat bloodthirsty socialists intent on such revolutionary anti-democratic schemes as National Minimum Wages, Equal Rights for Women and human rights for Haitians.

One of the first casualties, of course, was Salvador Allende and Chilean democracy.<span style="font-weight: bold"> Jamaica soon followed.</span>

yaso </div></div>

I don't know what this is in aid of.

#1 John Maxwell is a liar.
#2 John Maxwell and his ilk bear most of the responsibility for our collective mindset because he and his group of UWI-Mafioso have been promoting their race-war for over 4 decades.

#3 These guys and girls (who has never in their collective lives produced one single hour of Manufacturing, Engineering, Farm or Industrial Labour) have been crucial to Governmental policies that has shaped our Industrial, Manufacturing, Financial, Environmental and Labour outlook the last 30+ years.

If policy failed and made the lot of the poor and the marginalized tougher, then all have failed including <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">John Max-Un-Well</span> and his cronies. It therefore of no value to hear or read anything produced by such colossal failures.

[Panajar]

Re: Two-Jamaica syndrome needs to be understood:Seaga

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I don't know what this is in aid of.

<span style="font-size: 17pt">#1 John Maxwell is a liar.
#2 John Maxwell and his ilk bear most of the responsibility for our collective mindset because he and his group of UWI-Mafioso have been promoting their race-war for over 4 decades.</span>

#3 These guys and girls (who has never in their collective lives produced one single hour of Manufacturing, Engineering, Farm or Industrial Labour) have been crucial to Governmental policies that has shaped our Industrial, Manufacturing, Financial, Environmental and Labour outlook the last 30+ years.

If policy failed and made the lot of the poor and the marginalized tougher, then all have failed including <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">John Max-Un-Well</span> and his cronies. It therefore of no value to hear or read anything produced by such colossal failures. </div></div>

The so called &quot;race war&quot; started the day Europeans set foot on the rock,and it did not end when the union jack was lowered.Blacks in Jamaica have made political progress but like south Africa ,blacks have failed to progress economically ,because of the polices entrenched in a system created by the British .Micheal Manley was the only leader who tried to make any meaningful change to the system, the other leaders only paid lip service to this issue, including Patterson.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Two-Jamaica syndrome needs to be understood:Seaga

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The so called &quot;race war&quot; started the day Europeans set foot on the rock,and it did not end when the union jack was lowered.Blacks in Jamaica have made political progress but like south Africa ,blacks have failed to progress economically ,because of the polices entrenched in a system created by the British .Micheal Manley was the only leader who tried to make any meaningful change to the system, the other leaders only paid lip service to this issue, including Patterson. </div></div>

No it was <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Micheal Menlie</span> who started the modern race and shade wars and <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">PGay Patterson</span> extended it.

[RichD]

Re: Two-Jamaica syndrome needs to be understood:Seaga

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ja. Jewel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I only know 5 of those names, but am not all that up on Jamaican politics, but where are the missing 6 names? </div></div> some of the missing six are too &quot;black&quot; to support the narrative.....

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Two-Jamaica syndrome needs to be understood:Seaga

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ja. Jewel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I only know 5 of those names, but am not all that up on Jamaican politics, but where are the missing 6 names? </div></div> some of the missing six are too &quot;black&quot; to support the narrative..... </div></div>

Not only that the Party that perpetuated the myth of the so-called 21 Families control of Jamaica is filled with the said 21 Families and where they are not Party Members they benefited from the many PNP Governments rape of the Jamaican Economy

[Tuff Gong]

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To get back to the article Mr. Seaga is being totally disingenuous when he seeks to compare Portia Lucretia Simpson-Miller with Alexander Bustamante.
For one thing Busta was not illiterate and more than speaking about the poor he demonstrated some care for the welfare of the poor.

Looking at Mrs. Simpson-Miller's legacy based on her long service in politics the irrefutable evidence has demonstrated that if anything she has done more to perpetuate and widen the gap between the two Jamaicas.

[Panajar]

Re: Two-Jamaica syndrome needs to be understood:Seaga

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Lets talk about <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">the rea</span>l and stop trying to push narrow racist/race baiting agenda using half-truths and <span style="font-size: 17pt">lies based on envy of folks who have used the opportunity afforded to them to make progress.</span> </div></div>

Even the great USA ,the the hallowed ground of capitalism recognize the need to prevent entities from getting too big,hence the creation of anti monopoly laws. lets us also not forget, the backlash against the all powerful walmart.If the USA can see the dangers involved, when a few individuals or entities have almost full control of a country's economy, why shouldn't Jamaica, a developing post slavery society not do the same?

[RichD]

Re: Two-Jamaica syndrome needs to be understood:Seaga

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Lets talk about <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">the rea</span>l and stop trying to push narrow racist/race baiting agenda using half-truths and <span style="font-size: 17pt">lies based on envy of folks who have used the opportunity afforded to them to make progress.</span> </div></div>

Even the great USA ,the the hallowed ground of capitalism recognize the need to prevent entities from getting too big,hence the creation of anti monopoly laws. lets us also not forget, the backlash against the all powerful walmart.If the USA can see the dangers involved, when a few individuals or entities have almost full control of a country's economy, why shouldn't Jamaica, a developing post slavery society not do the same? </div></div>


so how does that square with the fact that in the USA the top 10% control 70% of the nations wealth and the bottom 40% control 0.2%?

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Two-Jamaica syndrome needs to be understood:Seaga

Have you ever take cognisance of the impression that you only oppose certain posters and defer to certain others?

You give me the impression that you are preparing for a future in politics.
Am I right about the latter?


i already know I am right about the former.
since the record of your posts support it.
It use to be a useful tool in politics, but the advent of the electronic age and google, it is getting to be as much of a disadvantage,that a favourable these days. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rich</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Lets talk about <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">the Rea</span>l and stop trying to push narrow racist/race baiting agenda using half-truths and <span style="font-size: 17pt">lies based on envy of folks who have used the opportunity afforded to them to make progress.</span> </div></div>

Even the great USA ,the the hallowed ground of capitalism recognize the need to prevent entities from getting too big,hence the creation of anti monopoly laws. lets us also not forget, the backlash against the all powerful walmart.If the USA can see the dangers involved, when a few individuals or entities have almost full control of a country's economy, why shouldn't Jamaica, a developing post slavery society not do the same? </div></div>


so how does that square with the fact that in the USA the top 10% control 70% of the nations wealth and the bottom 40% control 0.2%? </div></div>