Jamaicans crying out for work/employment

[britisha]

but alas, none exists...

Isn't this the same cry since I was a girl?

People of the middle and lower strata in the society always complained of a lack of adequate employment opportunities, but obviously more so in the poorer communities, especially in Kingston, the CAPITAL...well....

What is puzzling is the promises made by the same ho-hum politrixians who never deliver on them. [still yet these people vote for them and don't hold them accountable] Why cannot they, the trixians, regard entrepreneurship seriously? How do they imagine that these vendors will attract sales and thereby increase their bottom line in deplorable conditions as these?

Fram mi a suhmall gurl a Kingston, mi used to kick banana thrash wid mi foot in front of vendors' establishments an jump ovah stinking stagnant watah innah di streets downtown Kingston..and now, in the year of our Lord, 2010 it is wursurah? Duhh!!!

Even near Gaawd'n House, things were NOT a pretty sight, right near Beeston Street dere, but how can a government, or how can governments of either stripe allow a capital city to deteriorate to such a low?


<span style="font-weight: bold">WHERE IS THE NATIONAL PRIDE THAT WE SING, LOVE TO BRAG ABOUT, DAILY?</span>

As the piece suggests, there is a division between &quot;followers&quot; of both major parties, and within the &quot;leadership&quot; of both AS WELL, WHICH WOULD SEEM TO BE THE DETERMINING FACTOR THAT DECIDES HOW SCARCE RESOURCES ARE ALLOCATED, AND IN SO DOING.. people's civil rights are stifled because they might prefer another party over the one in power..

<span style="font-weight: bold">Old habits never die</span> an ie look like seh is a vicious cycle, like child abuse and incest in a family [local or farrin ] that need radical intervention to make &quot;it go away..&quot;

Who will bell the cat?

[britisha]

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...an duh !! duh!! for those waiting in the wings to remind me of which politrixians mash hup Jamaica, aldoah mi &quot;indict&quot; them so to speak, the gist of this thread is to see hiff we can come up with suggestions for people to see themselves as &quot;people&quot; [as the man suggested] and not &quot;party-ites&quot; who suck salt through wooden spoons hiff dem paawty nat in power, to dole out likkle dis an dat, as 'payback&quot; for their loyalty.

In other word, can we shake the &quot;vestiges of 'tribalism'&quot; aldoa/and is ongle in Jamaica I've heard that descriptive political terminology used.. Can we unite under the black/gold and green, and say &quot;country first&quot; an tuh hell wid &quot;political parties?&quot; [hiff they can be called that] and DEMAND THAT these politrixians be more accountable and responsible?

&quot;Town people a lose hout big time&quot;...for when yuh si mi goh home di lass time, an mi noh goh a mi baawn grung, BUT stay pan di Naawt Coast, whey mi spen whole heap a ducats, due to FEAR and disgust,...in essence, hiff odda Jamaicans and even farreignahs behave the same way, it is indirectly an injustice, for Kingston vendors, many of whom are born there as compared to <span style="font-weight: bold">foreign-owned</span> business on the Nawwt Coast.. nat reaping any of the proffitts from &quot;tuhrism&quot;....nat getting a slice of di pie..

Are we as a people willing to look at ourselves squarely and fairly, and see the ruination that we indirectly are bringing on ourselves? Outsiders come into our country and make more money--&gt; %tage profits, than the people whey baawn deh? Could this happen say, to play devil's advocate, in China?


A which Sankie sing soh?

**Operative word %tage..




...eta, an yes,mi know seh a China own the US now.. due to investments and loans but mi 'ope nohbaddie noh construe seh a dat type of %tage praffit mi a talk bout..an duh leff Koobah houttah di equation...is nat di same kekkle of fish...ope mi covahed all bases..

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is puzzling is the promises made by the same ho-hum politrixians who never deliver on them. [still yet these people vote for them and don't hold them accountable] Why cannot they, the trixians, regard entrepreneurship seriously? How do they imagine that these vendors will attract sales and thereby increase their bottom line in deplorable conditions as these?</div></div>

Fair questions but it not as easy as it seems.
If you are going to find a one answer soluton blame the Comrades.
If you are going to go indebt then you have to take the uniqueness of the problem into consideration.
Bascially this it West Kingston but the JLP only control two maybe three populated areas, the reast have basically been in a violent struggle with the JLP MP since te 70s.

It is not fair to say there was no money spent. Let say Eddie spent millions on dollars on the three areas he controlled and did absoutely nothing for the other sections that were at odds with him. You must overstand that the Comrades spent billions trying to overthrow him, but if anything this proves one thing one rose might suvive in the most inhospitable climate but it hardley likely that a whole rose garden will.

Add to is the fact that it is impossible to espect Government or even the MP to come in and fix your fence, build your sanitary facilities, send your kids to school and find each person a job which is basically what the residents are calling for.

Here is one of the major problems that will keep the denzings of West Kingston and all slums barefoot and hungry:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">From Tivoli to Matthew's Lane the cry is the same</span>

...'Unemployment nuff. People waan work but nuh work nuh deh'

BY KIMONE THOMPSON Features Editor- Sunday [email protected]

Sunday, January 03, 2010

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">&quot;Is not all of them want to sit down,&quot; adds a middle-aged woman who declines giving her name. &quot;They want work but because of where they live, they can't get any. They [potential employees] always say they will call you back but never call. My son go look work nuff time and is dat dem tell him, seh is because of where him live. So di yout' dem frustrated.&quot;[/</span>quote]

This is one of the most telling aspect of the article and the Newspaper just glance over it as if it was nothing. Basically if the private sector refuses to employ Jamaicans because of their Postal Code the Government of Jamaica would have to wet-nurse them from cradle to grave.

The second most important part of this equation:

[quote]It is this division, according to several people to whom the Sunday Observer spoke, that is preventing development and holding the communities back.

In a busy bar on Luke Lane, part of the PNP-affiliated Matthew's Lane sector, two men sum up the conditions of their neighbourhood.

&quot;From Rose lane go back dem [the MP] fixing di fence dem but dem not doing it roun' here. What dem doing for we roun' here? Ah people weh go foreign and have some money come back and develop the community [by building] park and ball field and dem ting deh,&quot; says one of them who declines giving his name.

&quot;We want dem stop deal wid people like dis,&quot; adds the other man, who initially gives then withdraws his name. &quot;We ah people man, di whole a we ah people. We ah nuh Labourite nor PNP. All dem doing now is to divide and conquer and we don't need that. We need to unite as black people.&quot;</div></div>

The odinary man in the streets will say that to Newspaper but at night time it is completely different. the Division is there, it real and it not been maintained by the MP but by the folks who live and die in West Kingston and the their spokespersons in the Media. Until they lay down their arms against Tivoli don't expect that anything will change. They have cast their lot with corrupt leadership of the Comrade PNP. I heard Mr. Golding and record saying he know they will not vote for him but he has decided to treat them just the same.

As one wise MP once said it takes cash to care after 18 years of Comrade Thievery it hardly likely that there is must to go around even if the MP was Mother Teresa. I am sure for 18 year many loyalists in Tivoli, Denham town and some parts of Fletchers Land could not dependent on the Comrade Government for jack and it was the President that they looked to.

The next bit of evidence that keep being swept under the pile comes from this quote:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In Hannah Town, a small community adjoining Denham Town, residents say the HEART training facility that once operated in their community centre needs to be reinstituted if the many unemployed and unattached youth are to come off the streets.</div></div>

Oh so the former MP (yes the one who invented HEART) did build something....what happened to it.....Of course the Comrades mash it up just like they mash up so many other things not least the economy.

I think the Media must be truthful. the only reason they went is to see if they can keep the Dudus Story burning bus a one said:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">We are Jamaicans... not PNP or JLP</span>

Bruce Golding - Member of Parliament, Kingston western
Sunday, January 03, 2010

DENNIS ADAIR, HIGGLER, TIVOLI GARDENS

Him mek a whole heap ah likkle ting change up. Him put in some

street lights and do some roadwork and him ah sponsor to the community,

<span style="font-family: 'Arial'">but ah di president me rate</span></div></div>

[Dr.Dudd]

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This is funny....
so ther are uniqueness involve with this,situation. a situation involving constituencies withing a parish.
but no uniqueness to be recognized, between Jamaica and the city-state, that is half way cross the globe, ruled by a despot, and with an American military base,generating half it's income.

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is funny....
so ther are uniqueness involve with this,situation. a situation involving constituencies withing a parish.
but no uniqueness to be recognized, between Jamaica and the city-state, that is half way cross the globe, ruled by a despot, and with an American military base,generating half it's income. </div></div>

LOL Wat T F you on about? This post is about <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Kinsgston West </span>in <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Jamaica</span>. What freaking country are you talking about and where did I make a comment(s) that that would lead you to post this nonsense as a response to what I wrote above?

[britisha]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

LOL Wat you on about? This post is about <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Kinsgston West </span>in <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Jamaica</span>. What freaking country are you talking about and where did I make a comment(s) that that would lead you to post this nonsense as a response to what I wrote above? </div></div>

Aye TG, I was ovah here LOL'ing miself, mussie my alluding to China that warranted that.. .anihoo...

[Dr.Dudd]

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Singapore that's the city state i am referring to.
that you are always quick to compare,without accepting that they are 2 separate and unique circumstances<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is funny....
so ther are uniqueness involve with this,situation. a situation involving constituencies withing a parish.
but no uniqueness to be recognized, between Jamaica and the city-state, that is half way cross the globe, ruled by a despot, and with an American military base,generating half it's income. </div></div>

LOL Wat T F you on about? This post is about <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Kinsgston West </span>in <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Jamaica</span>. What freaking country are you talking about and where did I make a comment(s) that that would lead you to post this nonsense as a response to what I wrote above? </div></div>

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Singapore that's the city state i am referring to.
that you are always quick to compare,without accepting that they are 2 separate and unique circumstances[</div></div>

You know what, you really need to get you head checked.
I made zero comparison just now to Singapore and I have no knowledge of what you are talking about.
Would you please furnish a quote along with the context and we can go from there. Please!

[britisha]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Fair questions but it not as easy as it seems.
If you are going to find a one answer solution blame the Comrades.
If you are going to go indebt then you have to take the uniqueness of the problem into consideration.
Basically this it West Kingston but the JLP only control two maybe three populated areas, the rest have basically been in a violent struggle with the JLP MP since te 70s.</div></div>

This I am going to leave on the backburner for a while.

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It is not fair to say there was no money spent. Let say Eddie spent millions on dollars on the three areas he controlled and did absolute nothing for the other sections that were at odds with him. You must overstand that the Comrades spent billions trying to overthrow him, but if anything this proves one thing one rose might survive in the most inhospitable climate but it hardly likely that a whole rose garden will.</div></div>

...and this is one main part of the piece...no??<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Add to is the fact that it is impossible to expect Government or even the MP to come in and fix your fence, build your sanitary facilities, send your kids to school and find each person a job which is basically what the residents are calling for.</div></div>

I hear you. but I don't think this is what they are asking for, [although some fence fixing apparently went on ascarding to the piece] they want JOBS, which is a fair expectation [and especially most of the campaign promises LIE that they will find &quot;work&quot; especially for the &quot;youths&quot;] and if they cannot find a job, they want to be able to run their small businesses under fairly decent conditions rather than those which place them in jeopardy in addition to &quot;chasing&quot; away the potential customers.

Is that asking too much?<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Here is one of the major problems that will keep the denzings of West Kingston and all slums barefoot and hungry:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

This is one of the most telling aspect of the article and the Newspaper just glance over it as if it was nothing. Basically if the private sector refuses to employ Jamaicans because of their Postal Code the Government of Jamaica would have to wet-nurse them from cradle to grave.</div></div>

..and why is this still a problem? Denial of jobs based on the &quot;area&quot; where one resides?<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The second most important part of this equation:

&quot;<span style="font-weight: bold">It is this division, according to several people to whom the Sunday Observer spoke, that is preventing development and holding the communities back.</span></div></div>

Agreed.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


&quot;We want dem stop deal wid people like dis,&quot; adds the other man, who initially gives then withdraws his name. &quot;We ah people man,<span style="font-weight: bold"> di whole a we ah people.</span> We ah nuh Labourite nor PNP. All dem doing now is to divide and conquer and we don't need that. We need to unite as black people.&quot;</div></div>

The odinary man in the streets will say that to Newspaper but at night time it is completely different. the Division is there, it real and it not been maintained by the MP but by the folks who live and die in West Kingston and the their spokespersons in the Media. Until<span style="font-weight: bold"> they</span> lay down their arms against Tivoli don't expect that anything will change. They have cast their lot with corrupt leadership of the Comrade PNP. I heard Mr. Golding and record saying he know they will not vote for him but he has decided to treat them just the same.

As one wise MP once said it takes cash to care after 18 years of Comrade Thievery it hardly likely that there is must to go around even if the MP was Mother Teresa. I am sure for 18 year many loyalists in Tivoli, Denham town and some parts of Fletchers Land could not dependent on the Comrade Government for jack and it was the President that they looked to.</div></div>

...So in essence &quot;political &quot;tribalism&quot;&quot;&quot; ala Jamaican stylee is to be blamed for the demise that West Kingston is in....and... couldn't the same be said for all the other &quot;garrison&quot; type communities that have been &quot;neglected&quot; for want of a bettter word by the &quot;powahs dat be&quot; over the decades, and suffering the same fate, in terms of social and economic stagnation? <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The next bit of evidence that keep being swept under the pile comes from this quote:

&quot;In Hannah Town, a small community adjoining Denham Town, residents say the HEART training facility that once operated in their community centre needs to be reinstituted if the many unemployed and unattached youth are to come off the streets.&quot;<span style="font-style: italic">

Oh so the former MP (yes the one who invented HEART) did build something....what happened to it.....Of course the Comrades mash it up just like they mash up so many other things not least the economy.

I think the Media must be truthful. the only reason they went is to see if they can keep the Dudus Story burning bus a one said:</span>
[quote]
<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">We are Jamaicans... not PNP or JLP</span></div></div>

**chukkle,** so the media had another agenda? They really don't care what happens in the slunms huh?


In any case it is a good &quot;covah story&quot;... echoing what many have been saying for years; clearly giving a good indication/reminder why Kingston is in the shambles that it and suffering such economic blight.

Now, I see where you have interjected the two main parties and even went on to be specific with names...be that as it may, not to downplay your comments in any way [and in fact, I always learn from your posts] but to me, all that is now water under the bridge.

We have entered a new decade, and it is high time that politrixians of whaeva stripe be shamed and made to see the fruits of their &quot;labour&quot; in terms of the status quo in the &quot;Capital&quot;...and of course one side is blaming the other, which I think is crying over spilt milk....the only time IMO that blame should be mentioned here is to see how looking back, errors that were made in the name of &quot;tribalism&quot; can be averted and use the knowledge further to improve the socio-economic situation in Kingston.


so the question still stands..


Can we as a people become politically savvy and mature to overlook our political differences and join hands to [re]build the nation as a whole, but with special attention to Kingston, the Capital? Can we stop marginalising and being condescending to the poorer folks of Kingston, who through no fault of their own have been dealt a bad hand in the &quot;game' of life? Afterall, many of them if they had a choice they wouldn't choose to be born in the slums where poverty and just plain miserable hardship/&quot;survival&quot; is the way of life...


Can we come to grips with the understanding that Kingston is an &quot;appendage&quot; of Jamaica the body/whole, and if Kingston is<span style="font-style: italic"> diseased,</span> eventually, analogically speaking, this disease will manifest itself sooner or later in the entire country, which obviously is what is happening?

Can we as a people, honestly and truthfully say that &quot;we are all in this together?&quot;

<span style="font-style: italic">When di rain fall

It noh fall pan wan man housetop</span>...<span style="font-weight: bold">RNM</span>


WE are too divided, for a ppl that sings &quot;ONE LOVE&quot;....and that is what is killing us an wi juss cyan't seet....even in &quot;politricks&quot; we deny what is rightfully due because of this...**sigh**

It is plausible that the poorer folks have caught on to what is wrong, have awakened and smelling the coffee and obviously, the politrixians are still sleeping at the helm....[no pun intended]

Smaddie help mi dung affah di soap bax fi now...oonoh walk good yaaah..


tbc

[britisha]

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A friendly reminder <span style="font-weight: bold">THIS THREAD IS ABOUT [WEST] KINGSTON, JAMAICA</span>..

tenk yuh..

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now, I see where you have interjected the two main parties and even went on to be specific with names...be that as it may, not to downplay your comments in any way [and in fact, I always learn from your posts] but to me, all that is now water under the bridge.</div></div>

This is to try to answer all the above. First off I am always of the opinion that you have to look at each situation uniquely. In some There are a number of Garrisons in Kingston, now in Jamaica all over.
There are reasons for those Garrisons even if we don't find them acceptable.

In Kingston West it is a little bit strange as the Sitting MP never really controlled the largest part of his Constituency there were only two or three areas under his control.
The fact that we are still talking about this and the fact that the Media approached the story in such a shoddy manner means it not water under the bridge.

Most of Jamaica's money was wasted on the so-called poor between Washington Boulevard and Rockfort Road.
There have been many projects were started, all or most of them have failed or was destroyed because of political wars and strife, most of it directed towards one man Eddie Seaga.
It is hardly likely that any MP is going to help his or her constituents in any way possible now based on the lack of resources.

It is much better for the MHRs to stop wet-nursing the so-called poor in these areas and convince them that doing for Jamaica will ultimately benefit them on an individual basis.
So stop building fences, providing housing, fix toilets with Jamaican or Foreign Taxpayers money.
The MPs can still try to send children to school, provide lunches, books and help the sick, dying and the old.

As they residents say, they can sleep with their doors open but sometimes the noise prevent them from sleeping.
This is the one of the reason they have an MP. To see that folks can live in communities, sleep comfortable in their own beds and move securely on roads and public transport that are suitable for human beings.

So Mr. Golding is failing in his job. He need to stop crime, convince Labourite and PNP to lay down arms (Again I hear him and I have the tape of him saying that he is helping the PNP Supporters as well as the Labourites) fix the roads, clean the gullies and to get his Minister of Labour to investigate cases where Jamaicans are not treated fairly when they go to seek employment.

Fixing one's fence and you can't or won't fix another <span style="font-style: italic">(for whatever reason)</span> will only give a. bias. lackey media something to write about and set one Constituent against another.

[britisha]

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..and I think that we are back at square 1...anihoo, thanks for your response TG...will follow this later as time permits....mi running now.

[Wahalla]

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There has been an over emphersis on investment in Kingston and other urban centers compared to rural areas...

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There has been an over emphersis on investment in Kingston and other urban centers compared to rural areas... </div></div>

Exactly and very little will survive and thrive in a war zone. When you have 18 years of Comrade Government whose policy caused the closure of almost 90% of all the factories in Jamaica (and about 99% in the KSAC, many in geographical area of centered around this article), pair that with one of the most reviled figure from the hated JLP as MHR for <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Kingston West</span>, it little wonder that there is massive unemployment and slums.

As I said the article is shoddy piece of Yellow Journalism from the Media House known for the Yellowest of Journalism practice in Jamaica.

[britisha]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There has been an over emphersis on investment in Kingston and other urban centers compared to rural areas... </div></div>


On whose part?