Meanwhile: Moms, babies risk death at Line-In

[evanovitch]

Re: Meanwhile: Moms, babies risk death at Line-In

TG wat bothers me as i indicated in another post elsewhere, is that this is happening at the public hospital that is heavily used and geared towards the PUBLIC, while the PRIVATE wing at the other supposedly public hospital, announced a couple days before this story broke, the intent to expand said PRIVATE WING OF THE PUBLIC HOSPITAL

go figga dat one out an read what dat means re priorities etc...mek dem gwane a yaad [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70400-talktohand.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70368-hoppingmad.gif[/img]

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Meanwhile: Moms, babies risk death at Line-In

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TG wat bothers me as i indicated in another post elsewhere, is that this is happening at the public hospital that is heavily used and geared towards the PUBLIC, while the PRIVATE wing at the other supposedly public hospital, announced a couple days before this story broke, the intent to expand said PRIVATE WING OF THE PUBLIC HOSPITAL

go figga dat one out an read what dat means re priorities etc...mek dem gwane a yaad [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70400-talktohand.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70368-hoppingmad.gif[/img]

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The private wing of that quasi public hospital,is funded by money earned by the same private wing,from user fees charged for it's services.
it certainly cannot be compared with the tax supported hospital of a country where the median income is less tha US$4'000.
remember that the taxes has to be colledted off that money at a maximum of 33 1/3% .Ofcourse 15% GTC taxes have to be added to th emix,but unless and until the median earnings is significantly increased by introducing stuff like mechanical plows,and irrigation to farmers,the social services as necessary as they are,will not be adequately funded,with resulting lack of appropriate services.

[evanovitch]

Re: Meanwhile: Moms, babies risk death at Line-In

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TG wat bothers me as i indicated in another post elsewhere, is that this is happening at the public hospital that is heavily used and geared towards the PUBLIC, while the PRIVATE wing at the other supposedly public hospital, announced a couple days before this story broke, the intent to expand said PRIVATE WING OF THE PUBLIC HOSPITAL

go figga dat one out an read what dat means re priorities etc...mek dem gwane a yaad [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70400-talktohand.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70368-hoppingmad.gif[/img]

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The private wing of that quasi public hospital,is funded by money earned by the same private wing,from user fees charged for it's services.
it certainly cannot be compared with the tax supported hospital of a country where the median income is less tha US$4'000.
remember that the taxes has to be colledted off that money at a maximum of 33 1/3% .Ofcourse 15% GTC taxes have to be added to th emix,but unless and until the median earnings is significantly increased by introducing stuff like mechanical plows,and irrigation to farmers,the social services as necessary as they are,will not be adequately funded,with resulting lack of appropriate services.

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u r missing the underlying slap to the tax payer in having a private wing in a public hospital....

it is admission and open admission that the standard of care being afforded the majority is substandard

and not ongle dat, u allow a private individual to come in at tax payers' expense and capitalise on tax payers' initial expenditure in building the infrastructure

bun fyah on the practise....

if we neva a fund every hurry come up project weh fren an consultant bring our way, the hospital would be on one level affordable to all in the part that is of the real importance... the level of care

[Yuriatin]

Re: Meanwhile: Moms, babies risk death at Line-In

Dr D - I guess I learned something new today. I never knew KPH was a quasi public facility. Can you please tell me where you get this info? Am very curious - thanks.

If it's quasi public, do you feel it's acceptable for them to provide the sub standard service that they do? I'll assume you feel it's unacceptable, yes?

Would you be in support of them them changing the name from Kingston Public Hospital to "Kingston Hospital" or "Kingston Quasi Public Hospital"?

According to the JIS ... :

<font color="blue">Ministry of Health
Hospitals by Region, Parish, Type bed complement and services
Hospital services are provided through general and specialist facilities. These are administered through the boards of the four Regional Health Authorities. Hospitals are classified A, B or C according to the level of service and the size of the population served.

Type C Hospitals are basic district hospitals. In-patient and out-patient services are provided in general medicine, surgery, child and maternity care. Basic x-ray and laboratory services are usually available.

Type B Hospitals are situated in the larger urban centres. They provide
in-patient and out-patient services in the four basic specialties; general surgery, internal medicine, obstetrics and gynaecology and paediatrics.

Type A Hospitals are multi-disciplinary. They are the final referral points for secondary and tertiary services. The Kingston Public Hospital and the Cornwall Regional Hospital are examples of such institutions.

<font color="black">... KPH is a TYPE A Hospital and should be able to provide complete multi disciplinary services to the community. Yet ... as we all know, they cannot afford even the most basic or services or supplies too much of the time.

Do you feel this is to be expected because it's there a private section and a non private section?


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TG wat bothers me as i indicated in another post elsewhere, is that this is happening at the public hospital that is heavily used and geared towards the PUBLIC, while the PRIVATE wing at the other supposedly public hospital, announced a couple days before this story broke, the intent to expand said PRIVATE WING OF THE PUBLIC HOSPITAL

go figga dat one out an read what dat means re priorities etc...mek dem gwane a yaad [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70400-talktohand.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70368-hoppingmad.gif[/img]

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The private wing of that quasi public hospital,is funded by money earned by the same private wing,from user fees charged for it's services.
it certainly cannot be compared with the tax supported hospital of a country where the median income is less tha US$4'000.
remember that the taxes has to be colledted off that money at a maximum of 33 1/3% .Ofcourse 15% GTC taxes have to be added to th emix,but unless and until the median earnings is significantly increased by introducing stuff like mechanical plows,and irrigation to farmers,the social services as necessary as they are,will not be adequately funded,with resulting lack of appropriate services.

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[CeaBee]

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But, do the revenues derived from the private wing, also go towards funding the "public" facilities at the hospital?

[evanovitch]

Re: Meanwhile: Moms, babies risk death at Line-In

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But, do the revenues derived from the private wing, also go towards funding the "public" facilities at the hospital?

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u muss not be a yaadie fi ask bout di intermiggling of 'private ' wid 'public'

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Meanwhile: Moms, babies risk death at Line-In

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Dr D - I guess I learned something new today. I never knew KPH was a quasi public facility. Can you please tell me where you get this info? Am very curious - thanks.

If it's quasi public, do you feel it's acceptable for them to provide the sub standard service that they do? I'll assume you feel it's unacceptable, yes?

Would you be in support of them them changing the name from Kingston Public Hospital to "Kingston Hospital" or "Kingston Quasi Public Hospital"?

According to the JIS ... :

<font color="blue">Ministry of Health
Hospitals by Region, Parish, Type bed complement and services
Hospital services are provided through general and specialist facilities. These are administered through the boards of the four Regional Health Authorities. Hospitals are classified A, B or C according to the level of service and the size of the population served.

Type C Hospitals are basic district hospitals. In-patient and out-patient services are provided in general medicine, surgery, child and maternity care. Basic x-ray and laboratory services are usually available.

Type B Hospitals are situated in the larger urban centres. They provide
in-patient and out-patient services in the four basic specialties; general surgery, internal medicine, obstetrics and gynaecology and paediatrics.

Type A Hospitals are multi-disciplinary. They are the final referral points for secondary and tertiary services. The Kingston Public Hospital and the Cornwall Regional Hospital are examples of such institutions.

<font color="black">... KPH is a TYPE A Hospital and should be able to provide complete multi disciplinary services to the community. Yet ... as we all know, they cannot afford even the most basic or services or supplies too much of the time.

Do you feel this is to be expected because it's there a private section and a non private section?


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TG wat bothers me as i indicated in another post elsewhere, is that this is happening at the public hospital that is heavily used and geared towards the PUBLIC, while the PRIVATE wing at the other supposedly public hospital, announced a couple days before this story broke, the intent to expand said PRIVATE WING OF THE PUBLIC HOSPITAL

go figga dat one out an read what dat means re priorities etc...mek dem gwane a yaad [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70400-talktohand.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70368-hoppingmad.gif[/img]

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The private wing of that quasi public hospital,is funded by money earned by the same private wing,from user fees charged for it's services.
it certainly cannot be compared with the tax supported hospital of a country where the median income is less tha US$4'000.
remember that the taxes has to be colledted off that money at a maximum of 33 1/3% .Ofcourse 15% GTC taxes have to be added to th emix,but unless and until the median earnings is significantly increased by introducing stuff like mechanical plows,and irrigation to farmers,the social services as necessary as they are,will not be adequately funded,with resulting lack of appropriate services.

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Who said that I was reffering to KPH?
Is there a private wing that i don't know of there??

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Meanwhile: Moms, babies risk death at Line-In

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But, do the revenues derived from the private wing, also go towards funding the "public" facilities at the hospital?

[/ QUOTE ]I am not aware of that,but what I know is that the public funds does not support the private wing at that hospital.

[CeaBee]

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But, do the revenues derived from the private wing, also go towards funding the "public" facilities at the hospital?

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u muss not be a yaadie fi ask bout di intermiggling of 'private ' wid 'public'

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should i take your answer to mean that revenues and costs are kept seperate? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

and mi yardi papas are accounted for and in orda [img]/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

[evanovitch]

Re: Meanwhile: Moms, babies risk death at Line-In

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But, do the revenues derived from the private wing, also go towards funding the "public" facilities at the hospital?

[/ QUOTE ]I am not aware of that,but what I know is that the public funds does not support the private wing at that hospital.

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how can public funds not support the private wing of a larger institution that is publicly funded....whe bout di land etc etc etc

[Dr.Dudd]

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But, do the revenues derived from the private wing, also go towards funding the "public" facilities at the hospital?

[/ QUOTE ]I am not aware of that,but what I know is that the public funds does not support the private wing at that hospital.

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how can public funds not support the private wing of a larger institution that is publicly funded....whe bout di land etc etc etc

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As long as the private wing are not for profit an duses it's revinue to support health care it really does not matter. Remember that those people who are paying for the use of the facillity,their health care is also the responsibillity of the government too. So it is not like they are using it for people who are not entitled to the use of the government funded facillities.
They are actually giving asistance to the government in providing additional facillity for th euse of those citizens who is also the responsibillity of th egovernment to supply services.
the land cost the government nothing,and it is given to the university at 5cents per year.

[evanovitch]

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But, do the revenues derived from the private wing, also go towards funding the "public" facilities at the hospital?

[/ QUOTE ]I am not aware of that,but what I know is that the public funds does not support the private wing at that hospital.

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how can public funds not support the private wing of a larger institution that is publicly funded....whe bout di land etc etc etc

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As long as the private wing are not for profit an duses it's revinue to support health care it really does not matter. Remember that those people who are paying for the use of the facillity,their health care is also the responsibillity of the government too. So it is not like they are using it for people who are not entitled to the use of the government funded facillities.
They are actually giving asistance to the government in providing additional facillity for th euse of those citizens who is also the responsibillity of th egovernment to supply services.
the land cost the government nothing,and it is given to the university at 5cents per year.

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oh please doc,...u really believe seh profits a pay to di coffers..u faithful an mi haffi gi u dat

[Yuriatin]

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Error on my part. KPH on the brain!

Can you still answer part of the question - where's it noted that VJ is quasi public and not a fully public?

And still - if it's quasi public, do you feel it's expected/acceptable for them to provide the sub standard service that they do? Are you saying, that's just how the cookie crumbles? Please do correct me by all means if I'm wrong but, that's the sense I'm getting from reading your earlier post.

<font color="black"> And still, VJ is not just a type A facility, it's also classified as 'specialist' according to the ministry of health. Making it even MORE of a sorry situation that they can't even provide the basics.



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Dr D - I guess I learned something new today. I never knew KPH was a quasi public facility. Can you please tell me where you get this info? Am very curious - thanks.

If it's quasi public, do you feel it's acceptable for them to provide the sub standard service that they do? I'll assume you feel it's unacceptable, yes?

Would you be in support of them them changing the name from Kingston Public Hospital to "Kingston Hospital" or "Kingston Quasi Public Hospital"?

According to the JIS ... :

<font color="blue">Ministry of Health
Hospitals by Region, Parish, Type bed complement and services
Hospital services are provided through general and specialist facilities. These are administered through the boards of the four Regional Health Authorities. Hospitals are classified A, B or C according to the level of service and the size of the population served.

Type C Hospitals are basic district hospitals. In-patient and out-patient services are provided in general medicine, surgery, child and maternity care. Basic x-ray and laboratory services are usually available.

Type B Hospitals are situated in the larger urban centres. They provide
in-patient and out-patient services in the four basic specialties; general surgery, internal medicine, obstetrics and gynaecology and paediatrics.

Type A Hospitals are multi-disciplinary. They are the final referral points for secondary and tertiary services. The Kingston Public Hospital and the Cornwall Regional Hospital are examples of such institutions.

<font color="black">... KPH is a TYPE A Hospital and should be able to provide complete multi disciplinary services to the community. Yet ... as we all know, they cannot afford even the most basic or services or supplies too much of the time.

Do you feel this is to be expected because it's there a private section and a non private section?


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TG wat bothers me as i indicated in another post elsewhere, is that this is happening at the public hospital that is heavily used and geared towards the PUBLIC, while the PRIVATE wing at the other supposedly public hospital, announced a couple days before this story broke, the intent to expand said PRIVATE WING OF THE PUBLIC HOSPITAL

go figga dat one out an read what dat means re priorities etc...mek dem gwane a yaad [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70400-talktohand.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70368-hoppingmad.gif[/img]

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The private wing of that quasi public hospital,is funded by money earned by the same private wing,from user fees charged for it's services.
it certainly cannot be compared with the tax supported hospital of a country where the median income is less tha US$4'000.
remember that the taxes has to be colledted off that money at a maximum of 33 1/3% .Ofcourse 15% GTC taxes have to be added to th emix,but unless and until the median earnings is significantly increased by introducing stuff like mechanical plows,and irrigation to farmers,the social services as necessary as they are,will not be adequately funded,with resulting lack of appropriate services.

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Who said that I was reffering to KPH?
Is there a private wing that i don't know of there??

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[Tuff Gong]

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Victoria Jubilee Hospital in a mess
Doctors say conditions unacceptable, embarrassing and demoralising
Observer Reporter
Friday, September 29, 2006

THE Medical Association of Jamaica (MAJ) yesterday painted an ugly picture of the Victoria Jubilee Maternity Hospital, saying government has allowed the facility to run down and languish in a state of disrepair.

Dr Alverston Bailey, president of the MAJ - a grouping of senior doctors - told reporters that the Jubilee Hospital can no longer guarantee quality health care to its patients due to the number of inefficiencies at the facility.

Dr Bailey, who was addressing a press briefing in Kingston, said elevators at the Victoria Jubilee have been malfunctioning for more than 20 years; there has been contamination of the operating theatre by roaches and bird droppings, inconsistencies of medical supplies and the lack of essential equipment, including ventilators for critically ill patients, while the suction machine has been malfunctioning.

"The state of affairs at the hospital is unacceptable, embarrassing and demoralising and must be addressed immediately by the South East Regional Health Authority, whose responsibility it is to acquire, maintain and repair medical equipment and the physical plant at the Victoria Jubilee Hospital," Dr Bailey said.

"The medical and nursing staff at the hospital are faced with a myriad of challenges," said Dr Bailey.

The press conference comes on the heels of the recent death of a baby at the hospital, which was blamed on the breakdown of the steriliser, which had forced the hospital to postpone a C-Section operation on the child's mother.

Meantime, Dr Douglas McDonald, senior medical officer at the Jubilee Hospital, said the malfunctioning elevators have seriously crippled the hospital's ability to adequately serve its patients, who sometimes have to walk to the operating room. This, he said, should not occur under ideal circumstances.

"The operating theatres are located on the third floor... and to access the operating theatres one needs the elevators because the stairwells are very narrow and dangerous and stretchers cannot be taken up the stairwell," he said. The elevators, he said, malfunction, at least twice weekly.

"When the elevators malfunction, patients for surgery have to be cancelled because the patients cannot access the operating theatre and even if the emergencies are taken to the operating threatres they cannot get back to the wards," said Dr McDonald.

However, he said money has been allocated from the National Health Fund (NHF) to purchase two new elevators at a cost of $50 million.

In the meantime, Dr Kenneth Baugh, the Opposition's spokesperson on health, yesterday called on the government to conduct a full inquiry into the state of the delivery of health care services in the public sector.

Doctors were also concerned about the critical shortage of nurses at Victoria Jubilee, which has forced the hospital to scale back some of its services.

The Victoria Jubilee Hospital is the largest women's hospital in the English-speaking Caribbean, and serves the parishes of Kingston and St Andrew, parts of St Thomas and St Catherine, and receives referrals from doctors from other parts of Jamaica.

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html...L_IN_A_MESS.asp

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Meanwhile: Moms, babies risk death at Line-In

Yuriatin states;-----Error on my part. KPH on the brain!

Can you still answer part of the question - where's it noted that VJ is quasi public and not a fully public?

And still - if it's quasi public, do you feel it's expected/acceptable for them to provide the sub standard service that they do? Are you saying, that's just how the cookie crumbles? Please do correct me by all means if I'm wrong but, that's the sense I'm getting from reading your earlier post.

And still, VJ is not just a type A facility, it's also classified as 'specialist' according to the ministry of health. Making it even MORE of a sorry situation that they can't even provide the basics.-------------


I will answer as soon as you show me where I or any other poster stated it.
You need to read more or at least understand what you tread before you start asking questions that are irrelivant to the thread.