PM admits she met wid Trafigura reps as a courtesy

[Dr.Dudd]

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There is a difference between tit for tat and fair play.
it for tat is just another name for revenge. fair play states that the rules should be equally applied for all parties.
as I stated i am against all forms of prejudice.
That is my principle.
and yes treat the accused with the same procedures as I do the 'hero'.
I did not realize that this is so difficult for others. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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wat is difficult is that u might be involved in the diaspora movement in any significant way...ur tenacious party loyalty , come wat may, is disheartening in light of the stated intent of that group...u exhibit no new thinking...it is the same spiel regardless of the situation...some of us call a spade a spade ,regardless of the party...u excuse the PNP even in the inexcusable...

or am i missreading u due to the typos ..fi real doc...mi having a hard time getting the 'doc' u think u putting forth...help me..type slow and reread before u hit 'enta'..am really confused ...no joke, no snide remark..juss genuine confusion as to ur being objective

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You got me right. if you undrestand that I am saying that it is of no use to deal with this situation. Unless you are willing to put in place s system to make sure it will make it more difficult for it to happen egain.
what if all thes people that are in the PNP should switch partiues and carry out the same act,in the JLP?
I deal with principles not personalities.This is the real difference between our views. YOu are seeing the PNO and i am looking beyond the party and at what is the best for the country.

[evanovitch]

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switching party is not the gist of my argument...switching thinking is...and how can u at this juncture, think of Jamaica ahead of the parties wen they r still there and the thinking of people and home an seemingly abroad , the thinking had not undergone any fundamental change...is like we juss willing fi get fired up re the latest scandal, tek sides, exchange di usual arguments an counterargument depending on di side we hold to

u cannot think of Jamaica's future in a vacuum apart from the parties..so weh u really mean

[Dr.Dudd]

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switching party is not the gist of my argument...switching thinking is...and how can u at this juncture, think of Jamaica ahead of the parties wen they r still there and the thinking of people and home an seemingly abroad , the thinking had not undergone any fundamental change...is like we juss willing fi get fired up re the latest scandal, tek sides, exchange di usual arguments an counterargument depending on di side we hold to

u cannot think of Jamaica's future in a vacuum apart from the parties..so weh u really mean

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The gist of my argument is that the present scandal is only one of the symptoms,if the under lying problem. lets take the opportunity that it presents to deal with the underlying cause itstead of having to waste valuable energy in the future putting out fires like is happening now,instead of adopting fire codes that will make these fires either impossible or near so.
Otherwise in the future,we will be wasting more time on acandals than the smount used in constructive policies.

[RichD]

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switching party is not the gist of my argument...switching thinking is...and how can u at this juncture, think of Jamaica ahead of the parties wen they r still there and the thinking of people and home an seemingly abroad , the thinking had not undergone any fundamental change...is like we juss willing fi get fired up re the latest scandal, tek sides, exchange di usual arguments an counterargument depending on di side we hold to

u cannot think of Jamaica's future in a vacuum apart from the parties..so weh u really mean

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The gist of my argument is that the present scandal is only one of the symptoms,if the under lying problem. lets take the opportunity that it presents to deal with the underlying cause itstead of having to waste valuable energy in the future putting out fires like is happening now,instead of adopting fire codes that will make these fires either impossible or near so.
Otherwise in the future,we will be wasting more time on acandals than the smount used in constructive policies.

[/ QUOTE ] so in di mean time jus mek dis fire burn itself out?

[Dr.Dudd]

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switching party is not the gist of my argument...switching thinking is...and how can u at this juncture, think of Jamaica ahead of the parties wen they r still there and the thinking of people and home an seemingly abroad , the thinking had not undergone any fundamental change...is like we juss willing fi get fired up re the latest scandal, tek sides, exchange di usual arguments an counterargument depending on di side we hold to

u cannot think of Jamaica's future in a vacuum apart from the parties..so weh u really mean

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The gist of my argument is that the present scandal is only one of the symptoms,if the under lying problem. lets take the opportunity that it presents to deal with the underlying cause itstead of having to waste valuable energy in the future putting out fires like is happening now,instead of adopting fire codes that will make these fires either impossible or near so.
Otherwise in the future,we will be wasting more time on acandals than the smount used in constructive policies.

[/ QUOTE ] so in di mean time jus mek dis fire burn itself out?

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As far as i see,the majority is just stoking the fire.

[RichD]

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switching party is not the gist of my argument...switching thinking is...and how can u at this juncture, think of Jamaica ahead of the parties wen they r still there and the thinking of people and home an seemingly abroad , the thinking had not undergone any fundamental change...is like we juss willing fi get fired up re the latest scandal, tek sides, exchange di usual arguments an counterargument depending on di side we hold to

u cannot think of Jamaica's future in a vacuum apart from the parties..so weh u really mean

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The gist of my argument is that the present scandal is only one of the symptoms,if the under lying problem. lets take the opportunity that it presents to deal with the underlying cause itstead of having to waste valuable energy in the future putting out fires like is happening now,instead of adopting fire codes that will make these fires either impossible or near so.
Otherwise in the future,we will be wasting more time on acandals than the smount used in constructive policies.

[/ QUOTE ] so in di mean time jus mek dis fire burn itself out?

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As far as i see,the majority is just stoking the fire.

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som time yuh haffi do dat sodat it burn quick an done...den yuh can try mek sure it nuh hapen again.

dem get catch an dem should go down for this...

[evanovitch]

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switching party is not the gist of my argument...switching thinking is...and how can u at this juncture, think of Jamaica ahead of the parties wen they r still there and the thinking of people and home an seemingly abroad , the thinking had not undergone any fundamental change...is like we juss willing fi get fired up re the latest scandal, tek sides, exchange di usual arguments an counterargument depending on di side we hold to

u cannot think of Jamaica's future in a vacuum apart from the parties..so weh u really mean

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The gist of my argument is that the present scandal is only one of the symptoms,if the under lying problem. lets take the opportunity that it presents to deal with the underlying cause itstead of having to waste valuable energy in the future putting out fires like is happening now,instead of adopting fire codes that will make these fires either impossible or near so.
Otherwise in the future,we will be wasting more time on acandals than the smount used in constructive policies.

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so how can u set fire codes wen the firemen and the fire chief r convinced there is no fire...an the present codes r fine, working fine, producing fine.. and the fire is a figment of everybody else's imagination

[Dr.Dudd]

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switching party is not the gist of my argument...switching thinking is...and how can u at this juncture, think of Jamaica ahead of the parties wen they r still there and the thinking of people and home an seemingly abroad , the thinking had not undergone any fundamental change...is like we juss willing fi get fired up re the latest scandal, tek sides, exchange di usual arguments an counterargument depending on di side we hold to

u cannot think of Jamaica's future in a vacuum apart from the parties..so weh u really mean

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The gist of my argument is that the present scandal is only one of the symptoms,if the under lying problem. lets take the opportunity that it presents to deal with the underlying cause itstead of having to waste valuable energy in the future putting out fires like is happening now,instead of adopting fire codes that will make these fires either impossible or near so.
Otherwise in the future,we will be wasting more time on acandals than the smount used in constructive policies.

[/ QUOTE ] so in di mean time jus mek dis fire burn itself out?

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As far as i see,the majority is just stoking the fire.

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som time yuh haffi do dat sodat it burn quick an done...den yuh can try mek sure it nuh hapen again.

dem get catch an dem should go down for this...

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How owuld you like to replace one burned out structutre with another that is smoldering and just ready to ignite?
How do we know that the same action is not present in the JLP?
Just because you don't find it yet?/
What do we do about making sure that we do not make the same mistake? One of jumping out of frying pan into the fire.

[Dr.Dudd]

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switching party is not the gist of my argument...switching thinking is...and how can u at this juncture, think of Jamaica ahead of the parties wen they r still there and the thinking of people and home an seemingly abroad , the thinking had not undergone any fundamental change...is like we juss willing fi get fired up re the latest scandal, tek sides, exchange di usual arguments an counterargument depending on di side we hold to

u cannot think of Jamaica's future in a vacuum apart from the parties..so weh u really mean

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The gist of my argument is that the present scandal is only one of the symptoms,if the under lying problem. lets take the opportunity that it presents to deal with the underlying cause itstead of having to waste valuable energy in the future putting out fires like is happening now,instead of adopting fire codes that will make these fires either impossible or near so.
Otherwise in the future,we will be wasting more time on acandals than the smount used in constructive policies.

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so how can u set fire codes wen the firemen and the fire chief r convinced there is no fire...an the present codes r fine, working fine, producing fine.. and the fire is a figment of everybody else's imagination

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i get the understanding that they are saying that what takes place is the order of things in the fire fight called politics in Jamaica. ..and if one side disarm the other will have unfafr rule the roost and ther will be no choice.
A lot of us do not realize that jamaica got a charter of independence from Britain before. only to return to th ecolonial fold. I am seeing that as the the next shoe, as long as we can't improve the economic condition if the countty. I also am convinced that th eeconomic elite will do anything to hiner that.
As a matter of fact I see them working at returning Jamaica to colonial status.

[Tuff Gong]

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switching party is not the gist of my argument...switching thinking is...and how can u at this juncture, think of Jamaica ahead of the parties wen they r still there and the thinking of people and home an seemingly abroad , the thinking had not undergone any fundamental change...is like we juss willing fi get fired up re the latest scandal, tek sides, exchange di usual arguments an counterargument depending on di side we hold to

u cannot think of Jamaica's future in a vacuum apart from the parties..so weh u really mean

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The gist of my argument is that the present scandal is only one of the symptoms,if the under lying problem. lets take the opportunity that it presents to deal with the underlying cause itstead of having to waste valuable energy in the future putting out fires like is happening now,instead of adopting fire codes that will make these fires either impossible or near so.
Otherwise in the future,we will be wasting more time on acandals than the smount used in constructive policies.

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so how can u set fire codes wen the firemen and the fire chief r convinced there is no fire...an the present codes r fine, working fine, producing fine.. and the fire is a figment of everybody else's imagination

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i get the understanding that they are saying that what takes place is the order of things in the fire fight called politics in Jamaica. ..and if one side disarm the other will have unfafr rule the roost and ther will be no choice.
A lot of us do not realize that jamaica got a charter of independence from Britain before. only to return to th ecolonial fold. I am seeing that as the the next shoe, as long as we can't improve the economic condition if the countty. I also am convinced that th eeconomic elite will do anything to hiner that.
As a matter of fact I see them working at returning Jamaica to colonial status.

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Smaddy pinch mi.
If this is the script dem sen yu sen it back!

[j-can]

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sweeeeeeet!

a hope ppl a pay close attention!

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well di harcore Socialst dem will always be convinced dat is a labourite plot to get ou dem govt...hopefully those inthe middle will be paying attention.

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And the hard socialist would be right.....those who are in the middle are paying attention,they can see this for what it is only labourite hyperbole....

[niceniss]

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switching party is not the gist of my argument...switching thinking is...and how can u at this juncture, think of Jamaica ahead of the parties wen they r still there and the thinking of people and home an seemingly abroad , the thinking had not undergone any fundamental change...is like we juss willing fi get fired up re the latest scandal, tek sides, exchange di usual arguments an counterargument depending on di side we hold to

u cannot think of Jamaica's future in a vacuum apart from the parties..so weh u really mean

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The gist of my argument is that the present scandal is only one of the symptoms,if the under lying problem. lets take the opportunity that it presents to deal with the underlying cause itstead of having to waste valuable energy in the future putting out fires like is happening now,instead of adopting fire codes that will make these fires either impossible or near so.
Otherwise in the future,we will be wasting more time on acandals than the smount used in constructive policies.

[/ QUOTE ] so in di mean time jus mek dis fire burn itself out?

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As far as i see,the majority is just stoking the fire.

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som time yuh haffi do dat sodat it burn quick an done...den yuh can try mek sure it nuh hapen again.

dem get catch an dem should go down for this...

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How owuld you like to replace one burned out structutre with another that is smoldering and just ready to ignite?
How do we know that the same action is not present in the JLP?
Just because you don't find it yet?/
What do we do about making sure that we do not make the same mistake? One of jumping out of frying pan into the fire.

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bway... a staunch pnp will always be a staunch pnp no matter what, eh? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]
you have any evidence of any similar occurence in the jlp? have they been in a position of power in over 17 years to be similarly smoldering?
why, oh why can't you look at Jamaica's interest instead of a corrupt party who get caught with their snouts in the trough?
Jesus Christ man, try mustering up a little, even an ounce, of patriotism! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]

[Dr.Dudd]

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As far as i see,the majority is just stoking the fire.

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som time yuh haffi do dat sodat it burn quick an done...den yuh can try mek sure it nuh hapen again.

dem get catch an dem should go down for this...

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How owuld you like to replace one burned out structutre with another that is smoldering and just ready to ignite?
How do we know that the same action is not present in the JLP?
Just because you don't find it yet?/
What do we do about making sure that we do not make the same mistake? One of jumping out of frying pan into the fire.

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bway... a staunch pnp will always be a staunch pnp no matter what, eh? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]
you have any evidence of any similar occurence in the jlp? have they been in a position of power in over 17 years to be similarly smoldering?
why, oh why can't you look at Jamaica's interest instead of a corrupt party who get caught with their snouts in the trough?
Jesus Christ man, try mustering up a little, even an ounce, of patriotism! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]

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What is unpatriotic about asking both parties to open their books and let us prove that there is nosimilar situation in th eother party's collection plate too so that we can start with a clean slate no doibts nothing.
remember it was because a worker was willing to break the law and risk their future, why this came out. How do we know that similar situation is not rife in both parties,but no other worker is willing to take such risks?

[niceniss]

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aahhm let's see... repeat the gist of the scandal as you know it.
just a synopsis.
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[Dr.Dudd]

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aahhm let's see... repeat the gist of the scandal as you know it.
just a synopsis.
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The general story is that a worker broke confidentiality laws to expose the contribution to the PNP through a front company in th ename of the Minister that resigned.
unless that person was willing to break th elaws,we would not have known about the contribution.
My suggestion is to ask both parties to open their books so that all can see whether ther is any like contributions and let 's introduce laws after this is to all political parties . That's certainly not too much ask if fairness is the issue .