Cuba legalising real estate and car sales

[evanovitch]

HAVANA (AP) — Cuba has made official what had been rumoured for weeks: It is legalising real estate and car sales and enacting other major changes.

But the Communist Party's newly released economic guidelines give few specifics, meaning islanders must wait for the fine print when the strategy becomes law.


The guidelines published today say the state ought to "establish the buying and selling of homes" for citizens. There is no mention of how the system will work, what restrictions will be imposed or taxes levied. The Parliament must still approve the changes.

The guidelines also call for legalising the sale of cars. They make clear, however, that the state is not yet in a position to sell most Cubans new cars through state-owned businesses.

[johnnycakes]

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With the Cuban Communist Party meeting over and new ideas and reforms coming into play, things should be interesting.

I have been reading what I can of what is coming but there does not seem to be much hard news out on the reforms and changes.

The Cubans who write on havanatimes.org seem skeptical of the changes. They feel that many of their beefs have been blown off or not accorded the discussions or changes the people think they should get.


It is a bit early to say one way or the other but what does seem clear is that despite the hopes of the United States, Cuba is not getting on that slippery slope back to capitalism. Individual enterprises within the centralized socialist economy is what we can expect . They are not about to go capitalist and especially not while the U.S is waging an economic war on them to bring down Cuban socialism. They have too much pride to surrender to the enemy of mankind after 50 years of struggle and a life that they know is made difficult by the capitalist bullies to the north.

[Wahalla]

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Yes mi primo gallego now reconstructed capitalism.. He is now in the class of being called:
a running dog,
pimp,
stupid
does not understand the cuban poltical systemt,
an apologist for murder .

After all when I made the prediction / recommendation that this would happen in Cuba, those were the names I was called on here without the intervention of the moderator....

note I am always amused when when any one calls a dictator a dictator their apologist counter with "u dont understand our system" Gadaffi used that same argument

All Raul dfid was formalise what was taking place in Cuba.. A barter system has long replaced the formal economy and alot more money escapes being captured by the authrorties. I hope they get a coherent tax system in place to increase their revenue...

Next up is the reinvention of an loyal opposistion in Cuba based on an offshoot of the former communist party which shared power with Batista as the old guard try to oppose the reforms...

[lonewolf]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is a bit early to say one way or the other but what does seem clear is that despite the hopes of the United States, Cuba is not getting on that slippery slope back to capitalism. Individual enterprises within the centralized socialist economy is what we can expect . </div></div>

Yeah, right.....keep spinning and spinning. You can dress this pig up any way you like, but when you remove it's disguise, it's still a pig......Holding on by your finger nails?
Cuba eventually will be communist by name only.

[johnnycakes]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is a bit early to say one way or the other but what does seem clear is that despite the hopes of the United States, Cuba is not getting on that slippery slope back to capitalism. Individual enterprises within the centralized socialist economy is what we can expect . </div></div>

Yeah, right.....keep spinning and spinning. You can dress this pig up any way you like, but when you remove it's disguise, it's still a pig......Holding on by your finger nails?
Cuba eventually will be communist by name only. </div></div>



Wolfie,

Better to keep your mouth shut and have people suspect that you are as ill-informed as you are than to post something and have those suspicions confirmed.

II will try again to explain that Cuba is not communist. There was never a communist country. Communism is a future utopian state which communist parties are SUPPOSED to be working towards .
The interim step between capitalism and communism is socialism .
Cuba is a SOCIALIST state with government control of most of the economy.

Were I you I'd spend more time looking at the demise of capitalism.

How's THIS country doing economically?
How's the EU doing ?
How are most Third World countries doing with capitalism.
How is globalization of corporate control of societies doing?

And if you think Cuba is a dictatorship what do you think corporate control of your life is?

[Archie68]

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I love your tripple talk!!!!

[johnnycakes]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Archie68</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love your tripple talk!!!! </div></div>


I love your double &quot;p&quot; in tripple.

Why not triPPPle ?

Why not try to answer the questions instead of making empty criticisms ?

[Archie68]

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That grammer/spelling distraction? Focus on content. Only a fool focuses on how things are said instead of what was said. In all cases, such people are trying to deflect from the issue. Wornout. It points to intellectual exhaustion on your point. AKA....pulling at straws.

I have no need to answer questions. You do.

You support a system that admits its principles are complete failures.

I love to watch you dance around and try your wornout tactics. I do.

[johnnycakes]

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&quot;You support a system that admits its principles are complete failures. &quot;


Archie,

Show me who when and where in Cuba said that its socialist principles are complete failures.

That is an American fiction that you have chosen to swallow because it is convenient for you.

Were Cuba's system a failure, the 50 year embargo/war would not be necessary to try to make it a failure.

You're in deep and blind denial unaffected by inconvenient facts as all our previous exchanges have shown..

[Archie68]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Show me who when and where in Cuba said that its socialist principles are complete failures.</div></div>

Show me where socialists demand that capitalist hire 500,000 fired socialist employees?

Why do you do this? I am not tired but I tired of your stupidity.

Do you work for the CIA? Everything you say undermines your point.

[johnnycakes]

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&quot;Show me where socialists demand that capitalist hire 500,000 fired socialist employees?&quot;


Archie,

What gave you the mistaken idea that Cuba's reforms are capitalist in nature?

People working for themselves or with a few employees is not considered capitalism except perhaps by people with no real knowledge of economic or even the meaning of the terms socialism or capitalism.

The WISHFUL thought that Cuba is going backwards into capitalism is held only by the very old Cubans who came to this country with their boy Batista AND those stupid enough to believe right wing blather.

I find it amazing that people who KNOW that the government and the media lie like rugs on things like this choose to believe this obvious nonsense.


I keep a cartoon taped up nearby that has a man saying: &quot;Oh sure they lied to me about this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this but you know....I believe them on this.&quot;

I'll write in Archie on his shirt.

[Archie68]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> People working for themselves or with a few employees is not considered capitalism except perhaps by people with no real knowledge of economic or even the meaning of the terms socialism or capitalism.</div></div>

Joncalvin, please take this back. YOUR IGNORANCE IS STUNNING. The speak of these things without any knowledge?

As your proof read, the matters of import escape you.

Retard, I want you to search for two words. Did you read that...two words.

They are: Petit Bourgeois

How can you be so ignorant? How can you advocate socialism without knowing what socialism advocates?

[Wahalla]

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Last week a rig arrived in cuba. Repsol the operator was able to sell participation in a convoluted manner shares in the project. This was allowable. So all the cuban goverment did was allow their citzens to do what transnationals do in cuba.

In 2002, i pointed out that the cuban goverment had begun to close mum and pop resturants. I was told that these enterprises were capitalism. and this was me supporting prostitution. Personal initative was not an economic driver. That to suggest this was contatary to socialism. That the cubans would never allow this.

I was insulted called stupid and a pimp. And any support of private buisness was murder. Guess what every thing i advocated has been put in place. The cuban goverment agreed with each of my reccomendations.

again with 10 % 0f the arable land devoted to vegtable farming private initive produces 50 % of the vegtables?

Next it will be the split in the communist party. Some wlll stick with this model based on centralised control. The other part will support wahallaism. Unless parties are legalised there will be mass arresst by the dominant part. So the onway forward is independent trade unions, multiple parties, private buusness.

[lonewolf]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So the onway forward is independent trade unions, multiple parties, private buusness.
</div></div>

I agree, it's either change with the times or get left behind. The powers that be know if they don't change another revolution would eventually occur.

[johnnycakes]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lonrwolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So the onway forward is independent trade unions, multiple parties, private buusness.
</div></div>

I agree, it's either change with the times or get left behind. The powers that be know if they don't change another revolution would eventually occur. </div></div>



Wahalla and Wolfie,

If the Cubans were stupid enough to adopt those things which they are not, they'd have the economic failure that we have.

Since neither of you read Hvanatimes.org you really don't know how the Cuban people feel about things reading and relying on information and wishful thinking from the capitalist press which parrots the talk and thinking of the States Department.

Independent trade unions are necessary under capitalism in order to get working conditions etc forced out of the bosses whose primary interest is keeping all the money.

Corporate power and the media have pretty much destroyed the unions in the United States.

Multiple parties ? LOL BOADWL and all of the things people use here to indicate sarcasm and ridicule.

Multi-party systems are what we have in the United States and Jamaica .
They are not only no more democratic than is the Cuban system but they are not reformable. The U.S/ Jamaican systems are ossified, rigid, unchangeable.

The Cuban system is constantly undergoing change since it's beginning not that long ago.

Private business? Sure. The Cubans also want to lose their houses, have their pensions lost, have massive and constant unemployment, lousy healthcare and education.

HELLO !