Murderers target returning residents?

[Tuff Gong]

'Murderers preying on returning residents'
published: Friday | November 2, 2007

Rasbert Turner, Gleaner Writer

Spanish Town, St. Catherine

President of the Returning Residents Association, Percival La Touche, said immediate attention needed to be paid to the life of returned resident as, in the last seven years, 209 have been murdered.

He said that, with an average of 30 deaths per year, it is clear that criminals do not believe they will be punished when they kill persons who went abroad and worked hard before returning to the island.

Having attended several funerals, he claimed that, since the start of 2007, eight returning residents had been killed and that it was heart-wrenching to see that, when they return, they cannot enjoy their hard-earned money.

Authorities have failed

He added that this trend has been allowed to continue as the authorities failed in a bid to deter criminals from preying upon returned residents. He said the time had come for persons, when caught, to pay the ultimate price for their acts.

Mr. La Touche was addressing the funeral of returned resident, Ivy Vernice Rhodes, of Kitson Town, who was burnt to death in her house on September 28, exactly 10 years after she returned to the island, having worked in England for 37 years.

"I am not afraid to say that the only crime these residents have done is to return to Jamaica and that alone is very sad," he said.

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[Yuriatin]

Re: Murderers target returning residents?

... sad to say, this is old news ... [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img]

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Murderers target returning residents?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_Mama</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... sad to say, this is old news ... [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img] </div></div>

Old news from a person who consistently and loudly backed the former Government, even though he knew the facts.
Of course this is one the subjects that could not get a hearing over many years on this BB, even though many of us claim that we want to go forward to live on the Rock!

[RichD]

Re: Murderers target returning residents?

how yuh mean it couldn't get a hearing? dem was censoring it?

[remo]

Re: Murderers target returning residents?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_Mama</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... sad to say, this is old news ... [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img] </div></div>

Old news from a person who consistently and loudly backed the former Government, even though he knew the facts.
Of course this is one the subjects that could not get a hearing over many years on this BB, even though many of us claim that we want to go forward to live on the Rock! </div></div>

Oh come on Tuffy dat no true

[affordableweb]

Re: Murderers target returning residents?

I wonder if these returning residents are returning to their old neighborhoods with new money and new attitudes that maybe get them noticed.

If I were a returning Jamaican citizen I suspect I would return to a different neighborhood or area where maybe my money could better protect me and I would certainly never let on that I had anything.

Why else would Jamaican expats be targeted other than people know they are expats with money? How do these people know these things? Someone opened their mouth or changed their lifestyle and thats what gave them away.

You can't comeback to Jamaica and live like and American I would think. I am not saying thats what these 209 people did or that they would deserve it if they did I am simply wondering how it was these expats were targeted if they were as they article suggests.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Murderers target returning residents?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">how yuh mean it couldn't get a hearing? dem was censoring it? </div></div>

Yes an I can call some names of Moderators who when facts about crime in Jamaica was posted they would either find some reason to lock it down or claim the poster was badmouthing Jamaica.

Why is there hate for a particular poster on this Board?
Answer all the runnins with Moderators locking down posts about crime on the Rock and what to do about it. They would allow foreigners and their friends to set the tone of the arguments, which often times had nothing of relevance for the improvement of Jamaica.

The fact that it can be posted now is unimportant because most of the members are saying nothing can be done about it
.

[RichD]

Re: Murderers target returning residents?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The fact that it can be posted now is unimportant because most of the members are saying nothing can be done about it
. </div></div> the ones who would have had something constructive to contribute have monved on?

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Murderers target returning residents?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: affordableweb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder if these returning residents are returning to their old neighborhoods with new money and new attitudes that maybe get them noticed.

If I were a returning Jamaican citizen I suspect I would return to a different neighborhood or area where maybe my money could better protect me and I would certainly never let on that I had anything.

Why else would Jamaican expats be targeted other than people know they are expats with money? How do these people know these things? Someone opened their mouth or changed their lifestyle and thats what gave them away.

You can't comeback to Jamaica and live like and American I would think. I am not saying thats what these 209 people did or that they would deserve it if they did I am simply wondering how it was these expats were targeted if they were as they article suggests. </div></div>

This is an argument that is not uniquely yours, but one which has been introduced and debunked before.
So what if they are returning to their old neiighbourhoods with new money?
If you worked your A for 37 years in another country and saved up your pennies wouldn't you like to live like Royalty?

In any case the killings have nothing to do with whether or not they are Returning Residents or Citizen of Jamaica, who have lived all their lives on the Rock. The problem is a lack of opportunities for the perpetrators and the fact that RR presents the mostly likely opportunity and the lease path of resistance.
It is not different from stealing Man Hole covers, Cash Pot Gambling, Pyramid Investment Schemes, Government Papers, Remittances, Drug for Guns trade and or the Cuban Bulb Scandal.
The last Administration has wrecked the productive capabilities of the country, therefore each and every Jamaican Citizen, high and low have had to find a way to make a living.
One cannot tackle one aspect of this problem without considering the whole.

[RichD]

Re: Murderers target returning residents?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: affordableweb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder if these returning residents are returning to their old neighborhoods with new money and new attitudes that maybe get them noticed.

If I were a returning Jamaican citizen I suspect I would return to a different neighborhood or area where maybe my money could better protect me and I would certainly never let on that I had anything.

Why else would Jamaican expats be targeted other than people know they are expats with money? How do these people know these things? Someone opened their mouth or changed their lifestyle and thats what gave them away.

You can't comeback to Jamaica and live like and American I would think. I am not saying thats what these 209 people did or that they would deserve it if they did I am simply wondering how it was these expats were targeted if they were as they article suggests. </div></div>
you raise some intersting points...to me it seems that in alot fo these cases these returning residents are targeted by family or "friends" who seem to think that they were left behind and now thet this person has returned they owe them somthing and if it is not forthcomming in a manner they think fitting they will take action to extract it.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Murderers target returning residents?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The fact that it can be posted now is unimportant because most of the members are saying nothing can be done about it
. </div></div> the ones who would have had something constructive to contribute have monved on? </div></div>

Most have and the Board is so polarized now that it is impossible for the ones that remain to really come to a common positon. Too much blood has flowed for that to happen.

[RichD]

Re: Murderers target returning residents?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The problem is a lack of opportunities for the perpetrators </div></div>i agree with that

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and the fact that RR presents the mostly likely opportunity and the lease path of resistance. </div></div> however im not so ready to accept at this is a fact as you have stated.

what makes them less likely to resist and more likely to have somthing worth taking?

[RichD]

Re: Murderers target returning residents?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The fact that it can be posted now is unimportant because most of the members are saying nothing can be done about it
. </div></div> the ones who would have had something constructive to contribute have monved on? </div></div>

Most have and the Board is so polarized now that it is impossible for the ones that remain to really come to a common positon. Too much blood has flowed for that to happen. </div></div>

mi nevah know sey discussion on here was about reaching a common position

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Murderers target returning residents?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The problem is a lack of opportunities for the perpetrators </div></div>i agree with that

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and the fact that RR presents the mostly likely opportunity and the lease path of resistance. </div></div> however im not so ready to accept at this is a fact as you have stated.

what makes them less likely to resist and more likely to have somthing worth taking? </div></div>

Easy Targets: the perception that they have something valuable, same as the Taxi Driver to the Extortionist.

Less Resistance: 1. they are for the most part up in age (to be kind)
2. they are for the most part English (to again be kind)
3. the number one reason of course is our bumbling, incapable security and investigative apparatus.

[Yuriatin]

Re: Murderers target returning residents?

Rich – do you mind if I ask you – what has been the outcome of the Manchester case of earlier this year? It was Manchester, right?

Recall the elderly couple, whom I think you knew personally or peripherally, who went missing and then were found murdered?

They ran on my mind a couple weeks ago ...