Cops, residents give conflicting stories of Paradise killing

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Cops, residents give conflicting stories of Paradise killing

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: remo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Why don't the citizens have cameras and why are they not BLOGS about these things? </div></div>

A camera would be nice,but in reality quite dangerous for the operator

weh yuh tink dis is L.A.?
anybody pull out a camera is fi dem turn nexx </div></div>

I know but 10 cameras and how to use them. You have to be willing to die for something.
I have always felt Jamaicans needed to get cameras. Today while I was writing this I heard an email been read on POL expressing this very sentiments.

Now with Camera phones it should be way easier. I think when I go home this is one of the things I will try to promote.
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The ,ost secure tool would be a camara phone,because the person can take a oic and send iut to others,so thateven if the pkone is later confiistocated, the pic is already deciminated.

[f0rTyLeGz]

Re: Cops, residents give conflicting stories of Paradise kil

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: remo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div> The Citizens are afraid of the Agents of the State and don’t want to be the next one to attract their attention, so I am guessing that only in the most extreme situation would they just whip out the device and start shooting.
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My point exactly [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70409-waytogo.gif[/img] </div></div>I need video to help me understand this because, a video showing the citizens shooting first would be just as powerful.

I know that some people are terribly bad, evil. But I still find it hard to believe that there are policemen, making those terrible salaries, and losing one of their own brother cops about one every two weeks, would go in and murder someone,even a gunman, in cold blood, and in front of countless witnesses? I've seen cops there not wanting to pull a corpse out of the water, because they didn't want to get their shoes wet. Cold blooded murder?

But citizens aren't going to point to their neighbors, and say that they started it. That would get their family in trouble with the neighborhood?

They are caught between a rock and a hard place... Nah tru?

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Cops, residents give conflicting stories of Paradise kil

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: remo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">most of the people I know in jamaica has a cell phone and most cell phones now are equipped with a camera.....So how come we dont have them taking pictures now?
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That is how the 2 JLP MPs were balled out for sayong if th epeople didn't vote JLP they would suffer the consequences. It work,but when shot a fire, most people run from it instead of take pics.

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Cops, residents give conflicting stories of Paradise kil

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: f0rTyLeGz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: remo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div> The Citizens are afraid of the Agents of the State and don’t want to be the next one to attract their attention, so I am guessing that only in the most extreme situation would they just whip out the device and start shooting.
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My point exactly [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70409-waytogo.gif[/img] </div></div>I need video to help me understand this because, a video showing the citizens shooting first would be just as powerful.

I know that some people are terribly bad, evil. But I still find it hard to believe that there are policemen, making those terrible salaries, and losing one of their own brother cops about one every two weeks, would go in and murder someone,even a gunman, in cold blood, and in front of countless witnesses? I've seen cops there not wanting to pull a corpse out of the water, because they didn't want to get their shoes wet. Cold blooded murder?

But citizens aren't going to point to their neighbors, and say that they started it. That would get their family in trouble with the neighborhood?

They are caught between a rock and a hard place... Nah tru? </div></div>
<span style='font-size: 14pt'>You don't know anything about Jamaica. </span>

[f0rTyLeGz]

Re: Cops, residents give conflicting stories of Paradise kil

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Did I say somewhere that I did know anything about the situation?</span>

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Cops, residents give conflicting stories of Paradise kil

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: f0rTyLeGz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did I say somewhere that I did know anything about the situation? </div></div>
Jamaicans wany not give up a criminal that steals and kill in self defebce,but if it is there relative and he kill in coldblood in broad daylight,they will give him up. On th eother hand irrespective of how deviant the person is, if you th epolice or anyone else kill them in cold blood,they will give up the killer.
Ther is a saying in Jamaica that "the same knife that kill sheep,will kill goat,and Jamaicams know what it means.
they're not complaining to defend the criminal. they are trying to protect themselves in the future.
They believe that jus as the police kill that person they will kill them too. It is all about self preservation.

[neutral]

Re: Cops, residents give conflicting stories of Paradise kil

The camera thing is not a bad idea,however,the problem for the ordinary man/woman in the street would be airing such an explosive piece of footage.
Whenever people in the community has said that someone was murdered by the police in cold blood their version of events is never taken serious by anyone in authority,the cops always use the same tired old excuse,and that is always accepted as the true version of events,...they dont even have to pretty up the story,or vary it slightly now and again,the same standard police issue excuse is trotted out in every case.

Citizens may be wary of offering video evidence in case they themselves are targeted by these same killer cops,and even though it may be noble to put your life on the line for such a cause I really cant see many people doing that in Ja,...two shot buss aftah man and yu naw si him an him camera fe duss,..not even donald Quarry wouldah ketch up wid him,an if camera slow him dung dat a get fling weh to.

Until those in authority are prepared to seriously address this issue and appear to be doing something about it,and people can see policemen being charged for murder and be convicted,then I fear the situation will continue.

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Cops, residents give conflicting stories of Paradise kil

The poliose is not doing anythuing that the heads of the country don't want. The heads just will not admit collusion in knowingly authorizing the breaking of th elaws to rid the country of criminals.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Cops, residents give conflicting stories of Paradise kil

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: remo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">most of the people I know in jamaica has a cell phone and most cell phones now are equipped with a camera.....So how come we dont have them taking pictures now?
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That is how the 2 JLP MPs were balled out for sayong if th epeople didn't vote JLP they would suffer the consequences. It work,but when shot a fire, most people run from it instead of take pics. </div></div>

<span style='font-size: 26pt'><span style="color: #009900">What</span>?</span>

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Cops, residents give conflicting stories of Paradise kil

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Newtral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The camera thing is not a bad idea,however,the problem for the ordinary man/woman in the street would be airing such an explosive piece of footage.
Whenever people in the community has said that someone was murdered by the police in cold blood their version of events is never taken serious by anyone in authority,the cops always use the same tired old excuse,and that is always accepted as the true version of events,...they dont even have to pretty up the story,or vary it slightly now and again,the same standard police issue excuse is trotted out in every case.

Citizens may be wary of offering video evidence in case they themselves are targeted by these same killer cops,and even though it may be noble to put your life on the line for such a cause I really cant see many people doing that in Ja,...two shot buss aftah man and yu naw si him an him camera fe duss,..not even donald Quarry wouldah ketch up wid him,an if camera slow him dung dat a get fling weh to.

Until those in authority are prepared to seriously address this issue and appear to be doing something about it,and people can see policemen being charged for murder and be convicted,then I fear the situation will continue. </div></div>

They could up load it to the world and that might offer them a measure of protection!

[remo]

Re: Cops, residents give conflicting stories of Paradise kil

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Newtral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The camera thing is not a bad idea,however,the problem for the ordinary man/woman in the street would be airing such an explosive piece of footage.
Whenever people in the community has said that someone was murdered by the police in cold blood their version of events is never taken serious by anyone in authority,the cops always use the same tired old excuse,and that is always accepted as the true version of events,...they dont even have to pretty up the story,or vary it slightly now and again,the same standard police issue excuse is trotted out in every case.

Citizens may be wary of offering video evidence in case they themselves are targeted by these same killer cops,and even though it may be noble to put your life on the line for such a cause I really cant see many people doing that in Ja,...two shot buss aftah man and yu naw si him an him camera fe duss,..not even donald Quarry wouldah ketch up wid him,an if camera slow him dung dat a get fling weh to.

Until those in authority are prepared to seriously address this issue and appear to be doing something about it,and people can see policemen being charged for murder and be convicted,then I fear the situation will continue. </div></div>

They could up load it to the world and that might offer them a measure of protection! </div></div>

Thats easy for us to say up here...unfortunately for those living on the rock it aint so cut an dry

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Cops, residents give conflicting stories of Paradise kil

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The poliose is not doing anythuing that the heads of the country don't want. The heads just will not admit collusion ....</div></div>

I am glad you are admitting the PNP's complicity of the last 18 years in aiding and abetting the destruction the Jamaican People. Hopefully the end is in sight when the new Investigative body is setup.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Cops, residents give conflicting stories of Paradise kil

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: remo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thats easy for us to say up here...unfortunately for those living on the rock it aint so cut an dry </div></div>

That is why I plan to show them how, when I go home!

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Cops, residents give conflicting stories of Paradise kil

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The poliose is not doing anythuing that the heads of the country don't want. The heads just will not admit collusion ....</div></div>

I am glad you are admitting the PNP's complicity of the last 18 years in aiding and abetting the destruction the Jamaican People. Hopefully the end is in sight when the new Investigative body is setup. </div></div>
Don't get any of your precieved ideas,inmy statement. when I say the head I am not refering to politicians. I am refering ti the real head of Jamaica. the head that change the government wjhen they stop serving their purposes. the heads that own and controlls the media and the econ0my. That head i am refering to.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Cops, residents give conflicting stories of Paradise kil

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The poliose is not doing anythuing that the heads of the country don't want. The heads just will not admit collusion ....</div></div>

I am glad you are admitting the PNP's complicity of the last 18 years in aiding and abetting the destruction the Jamaican People. Hopefully the end is in sight when the new Investigative body is setup. </div></div>
Don't get any of your precieved ideas,inmy statement. when I say the head I am not refering to politicians. I am refering ti the real head of Jamaica. the head that change the government wjhen they stop serving their purposes. the heads that own and controlls the media and the econ0my. That head i am refering to. </div></div>

<span style='font-family: Arial Black'>LOL</span>!