Community policing centre of Jamaica's crime plan

[bee_bop]

Re: Community policing centre of Jamaica's crime plan

RichD said:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> yes the problem is how do you replace the don as protector with the police as protector...in many of these communities the evil of the don is seen as the lesser of the two.</div></div>

Littleman says:
<span style="color: #990000">Beg pardon if I seem offensive here, but <span style='font-size: 14pt'>how on earth can there be a lesser of two evils</span> <span style='font-size: 11pt'>when the dons' engage in the rape of people's teenage daughters(quite possibly their sons as well, judging by evidence found in the rectum of one of Zeek's victims), and the unreported murders of countless people, unsolved murders (of the total reported murders), and people's general fear of traversing these communities controlled by dons'?????</span> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/dizzy.gif[/img] If police do wrong, one has some legal recourse to justice, at least technically, with the don there is no such recourse, except to hope for his early demise!!!</span>
Man what are you smoking????

[Yuriatin]

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LM - seems I'm smoking the same thing RichD is cah hear wha ...

Almost the same exact thing can be said of the police: [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek2.gif[/img]

- unreported murders
- unsolved murders
- general fear of the police, etc, etc

You don't believe that?

Look - it shouldn't be this way, but it IS!

And that's just a sad fact.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Littleman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">RichD said:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> yes the problem is how do you replace the don as protector with the police as protector...in many of these communities the evil of the don is seen as the lesser of the two.</div></div>

Littleman says:
<span style="color: #990000">Beg pardon if I seem offensive here, but <span style='font-size: 14pt'>how on earth can there be a lesser of two evils</span> <span style='font-size: 11pt'>when the dons' engage in the rape of people's teenage daughters(quite possibly their sons as well, judging by evidence found in the rectum of one of Zeek's victims), and the unreported murders of countless people, unsolved murders (of the total reported murders), and people's general fear of traversing these communities controlled by dons'?????</span> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/dizzy.gif[/img] If police do wrong, one has some legal recourse to justice, at least technically, with the don there is no such recourse, except to hope for his early demise!!!</span>
Man what are you smoking???? </div></div>

[Dr.Dudd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Littleman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">RichD said:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> yes the problem is how do you replace the don as protector with the police as protector...in many of these communities the evil of the don is seen as the lesser of the two.</div></div>

Littleman says:
<span style="color: #990000">Beg pardon if I seem offensive here, but <span style='font-size: 14pt'>how on earth can there be a lesser of two evils</span> <span style='font-size: 11pt'>when the dons' engage in the rape of people's teenage daughters(quite possibly their sons as well, judging by evidence found in the rectum of one of Zeek's victims), and the unreported murders of countless people, unsolved murders (of the total reported murders), and people's general fear of traversing these communities controlled by dons'?????</span> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/dizzy.gif[/img] If police do wrong, one has some legal recourse to justice, at least technically, with the don there is no such recourse, except to hope for his early demise!!!</span>
Man what are you smoking???? </div></div>
It is the lessor of the two evil, because when the don commit a crime against the community,there is a probabillity of reporting it to the police, and still a slim chance that he may have to at least be more careful,but when the police does it,they have no option. nobody to report to. That is the reality on the ground.

[Yuriatin]

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Thank you Dudd - totally correct.

In so many, TOO many instances of everyday JA life, people forget about, the actual, reality on the street.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Littleman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">RichD said:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> yes the problem is how do you replace the don as protector with the police as protector...in many of these communities the evil of the don is seen as the lesser of the two.</div></div>

Littleman says:
<span style="color: #990000">Beg pardon if I seem offensive here, but <span style='font-size: 14pt'>how on earth can there be a lesser of two evils</span> <span style='font-size: 11pt'>when the dons' engage in the rape of people's teenage daughters(quite possibly their sons as well, judging by evidence found in the rectum of one of Zeek's victims), and the unreported murders of countless people, unsolved murders (of the total reported murders), and people's general fear of traversing these communities controlled by dons'?????</span> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/dizzy.gif[/img] If police do wrong, one has some legal recourse to justice, at least technically, with the don there is no such recourse, except to hope for his early demise!!!</span>
Man what are you smoking???? </div></div>
It is the lessor of the two evil, because when the don commit a crime against the community,there is a probabillity of reporting it to the police, and still a slim chance that he may have to at least be more careful,but when the police does it,they have no option. nobody to report to. That is the reality on the ground. </div></div>

[Bink - the Only]

Re: Community policing centre of Jamaica's crime plan

[quote=YuriYuri]
(bink - curious - what's the relevance of this statement ... "<span style="color: #3333FF">in addition, i know someone who knows the new commish very well</span>")


Yuri -- "relevance" is in the eye of the beholder. the person to whom i referred has "worked for" the rear admiral. he is NOT a fan and was quite concerned when the man was annointed Police Commish.

one of my reason for watching this scenario so carefully. both the happenings in jamaica and the opinions of folks like you and Dudd and Tuff Gong, etc.

Happy New Year, Yuri. let's hope it will be better in jamaica and everywhere.

[Yuriatin]

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We're all watching the "scenario closely" for a variety of reasons - not the least of which, we're Jamaicans and we care what's happening to our homeland and our people.

Anyway - am not debating the importance of relevance - was just wondering your reasoning for making note of the fact that you know someone who knows the commish very well. I just didn't understand the importance to the thread when I read it.

But trust me - I wont be losing any sleep over it tonite - just curious, that's all.

Happy New Year to you as well! [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70409-waytogo.gif[/img]


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bink</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=YuriYuri]
(bink - curious - what's the relevance of this statement ... "<span style="color: #3333FF">in addition, i know someone who knows the new commish very well</span>")


Yuri -- "relevance" is in the eye of the beholder. the person to whom i referred has "worked for" the rear admiral. he is NOT a fan and was quite concerned when the man was annointed Police Commish.

one of my reason for watching this scenario so carefully. both the happenings in jamaica and the opinions of folks like you and Dudd and Tuff Gong, etc.

Happy New Year, Yuri. let's hope it will be better in jamaica and everywhere. </div></div>

[Bink - the Only]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YuriYuri</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We're all watching the "scenario closely" for a variety of reasons - not the least of which, we're Jamaicans and we care what's happening to our homeland and our people.

Anyway - am not debating the importance of relevance - was just wondering your reasoning for making note of the fact that you know someone who knows the commish very well. I just didn't understand the importance to the thread when I read it.

But trust me - I wont be losing any sleep over it tonite - just curious, that's all.

Happy New Year to you as well! [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70409-waytogo.gif[/img]


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bink</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=YuriYuri]
(bink - curious - what's the relevance of this statement ... "<span style="color: #3333FF">in addition, i know someone who knows the new commish very well</span>")


Yuri -- "relevance" is in the eye of the beholder. the person to whom i referred has "worked for" the rear admiral. he is NOT a fan and was quite concerned when the man was annointed Police Commish.

one of my reason for watching this scenario so carefully. both the happenings in jamaica and the opinions of folks like you and Dudd and Tuff Gong, etc.

Happy New Year, Yuri. let's hope it will be better in jamaica and everywhere. </div></div> </div></div>

how the hell does someone respond to a post here without the respondee being touchy touchy? my god, Yuri, there was NO antagonism in my post. i was trying to respond to your question without giving out too much information. ~~i know where that goes on jam.com~~

there was No debate intended. just an honest response. indeed, i wish to hear the thoughts of you and others.

[Yuriatin]

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[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70409-waytogo.gif[/img] - this means "touchy" to you???

Hmmm ... [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70402-thinking.gif[/img]

Well, no need for cursing dear heart - there was no antagonism in my replies either.

I'm not one of those that go there - it's only a board & it's not that deep.

As I said - I just couldn't figure the reason for your reference when I saw it and I queried you on it.



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bink</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YuriYuri</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We're all watching the "scenario closely" for a variety of reasons - not the least of which, we're Jamaicans and we care what's happening to our homeland and our people.

Anyway - am not debating the importance of relevance - was just wondering your reasoning for making note of the fact that you know someone who knows the commish very well. I just didn't understand the importance to the thread when I read it.

But trust me - I wont be losing any sleep over it tonite - just curious, that's all.

Happy New Year to you as well! [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70409-waytogo.gif[/img]


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bink</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=YuriYuri]
(bink - curious - what's the relevance of this statement ... "<span style="color: #3333FF">in addition, i know someone who knows the new commish very well</span>")


Yuri -- "relevance" is in the eye of the beholder. the person to whom i referred has "worked for" the rear admiral. he is NOT a fan and was quite concerned when the man was annointed Police Commish.

one of my reason for watching this scenario so carefully. both the happenings in jamaica and the opinions of folks like you and Dudd and Tuff Gong, etc.

Happy New Year, Yuri. let's hope it will be better in jamaica and everywhere. </div></div> </div></div>

how the hell does someone respond to a post here without the respondee being touchy touchy? my god, Yuri, there was NO antagonism in my post. i was trying to respond to your question without giving out too much information. ~~i know where that goes on jam.com~~

there was No debate intended. just an honest response. indeed, i wish to hear the thoughts of you and others. </div></div>

[Yuriatin]

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ie: Lesser of 2 Evils ... ?



Four Cops Charged With Teen's Murder
published: Saturday | December 29, 2007

Mark Beckford, Staff Reporter

Four policemen were yesterday charged with the murder of 19-year-old André Thomas of Grants Pen, St. Andrew, when they appeared in the Half-Way Tree Criminal Court.

They are scheduled to reappear in court on January 8.

The four are Noel Bryan, Phillip Dunstan, Clayton Fearon and Omar Miller. The four policemen were charged after an October ruling by the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP).

Thomas was shot under controversial circumstances on September 28.

The shooting had drawn the ire of the residents of Grants Pen who for days staged demonstrations protesting what they described as cold-blooded murder.

According to initial police reports, members of a police party were on patrol in the Grants Pen community when they saw a group of men acting suspiciously.

On the approach of the lawmen, one of the men allegedly pointed a firearm at them; the police took evasive action and opened fire hitting one of them. A Raven .25 automatic pistol with the serial number erased and a magazine containing five .25 cartridges was reportedly found in Thomas' possession. The other men at the scene ran and made good their escape.

Residents' story

However, residents rejected this story and said that a group of men was sitting on a shop piazza on the gully side, when a group of policemen approached them and started to question them.

The residents said the police ordered them out of their house, but when Thomas refused, police started to abuse him. The residents said that during Thomas' protest he was shot. Residents also said that Thomas received additional bullet wounds other to the ones he left the scene of the incident with.

Following the protests, controversy deepened as the four policemen disobeyed an order to return the service vehicle to the Police High Command. The four were ordered arrested by the DPP.

They were yesterday each offered bail in the sum of $1 million. More than 260 persons have been killed by the police in shootings this year.

Meanwhile, Nancy Anderson, human rights lawyer with the Independent Jamaican Council for Human Rights, has welcomed the development in the case, saying that it should be the procedure in all cases.

"We have been calling for proper investigation and bringing persons before the court to prove whether they are guilty or not," she told The Gleaner. That is what should be done when there is a death which appears to be a murder," she said.



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yes the problem is how do you replace the don as protector with the police as protector...in many of these communities the evil of the don is seen as the lesser of the two. </div></div>

[RichD]

Re: Community policing centre of Jamaica's crime plan

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">More than 260 persons have been killed by the police in shootings this year. </div></div>

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[Tuff Gong]

Re: Community policing centre of Jamaica's crime plan

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Community policing centre of Jamaica's crime plan
Posted: 2007-12-21 07:55:27

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Heard dat before!