haitians running hellshire red?

[Wahalla]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Newtral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well if the Haitians are taking over Jamaica I say good,.....its about time Jamaica got some decent obeah instead of the same old watered dung fakery thats been doing the rounds for years now.

Theres nothing to liven things up more than a good bit of voodo, and people who you knew died last week standing in line in the patty shop ordering patty and coco bread and box drink. </div></div>

Wi nuh need nomore Zombie..Wasnt Sista P enough...

[bee_bop]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is a witch hunt against the Haitians. Somebody is planting th eseeds of devision between the Jamaican citizenry and the Haitians. This story has no verifiable information. It is pure speculation with no solid info. </div></div>

Littleman says:
<span style="color: #660000">I must agree with you to some extent Dr. Dudd, because Haiti has taken the '<span style="color: #000000">hard end of the stick</span>' throughout its existence: what with invasions by the U.S. at the turn of the twentieth century, when they were referred to as French-speaking n*****s; the beginning of deforestation of Haiti by American forces, during their occupation; the propping-up of numerous dictatorships, particularly Papa Doc, and the incompetent Baby Doc (which marked the downfall of Haiti).
Haiti was doing well as an independent black nation, up until the twentieth century, probably too well for the 'scheme of things', and the 'powers that be'. They were able to send the U.S. a unit of the Haitian army to help in the revolutionary war, during the siege of Savannah.
They (the Haitians) invaded the Dominican Republic, and occupied it for a few years in order to prevent an invasion of the island of Hispaniola, by French forces. The Dominicans have never taken kindly to this historical fact, and never make the Haitians forget.
<span style='font-size: 11pt'><span style="color: #000000">A look at some parts of Haiti through Google Earth's maps show a denuded, barren, countryside, with mud flows instead of rivers of water. Sort of like a Martian landscape!!!</span></span>
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It seems that there are mercenaries who use Haiti as a base, and spread guns in Jamaica, possibly a deliberate destabilization effort, especially since former Haitian leader Latortue was infuriated at Jamaica's diplomatic support of Aristide. <span style='font-size: 11pt'><span style="color: #660000">That noble support came at a high price for Jamaica.</span></span>

[Blackstar*]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> imagine that- and still lower murder rate than jamaica </div></div>
Who is counting in Haiti though? For real though, all of Haiti's institutions mash up and nobody is counting bodies, just the elite counting their money.

[jamaica_dreamin]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> imagine that- and still lower murder rate than jamaica </div></div>
Who is counting in Haiti though? For real though, all of Haiti's institutions mash up and nobody is counting bodies, just the elite counting their money.
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I wonder if that is the sad truth?

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jamaica_dreamin</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackStar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> imagine that- and still lower murder rate than jamaica </div></div>
Who is counting in Haiti though? For real though, all of Haiti's institutions mash up and nobody is counting bodies, just the elite counting their money.
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I wonder if that is the sad truth? </div></div>

yea i wonder...
or is it just something we tell ourselves so we can feel better about the carnage in our homeland

[jah_yout]

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Most countries keep statistics of how many murders (or homicides) take place on their territory, and many publish a total at the end of each calendar year.

In Haiti, such statistics are hard to come by. Neither the police nor the judicial authorities have much of a presence in the rural areas of the country, where two-thirds of the population live, and even in provincial towns, if the authorities or local human rights organizations are keeping records, the results are not readily accessible.

What figures that are available have been compiled by human rights organizations based in Port-au-Prince. It is here, in the capital, afflicted by waves of political violence and violent crime over the last few years, that the vast majority of incidents involving loss of life have taken place. According to these Haitian human rights organizations, more than 1,500 people were murdered during the 20 months of March 2004-October 2005 inclusive. An average figure would suggest that approximately 75 people have been murdered each month, and that therefore approximately 900 people met violent deaths each year in 2004 and 2005.

Much has been made of the violence and loss of life in Port-au-Prince in recent times, but if we accept that the number of murders committed in the rest of the country during the last year has been relatively small - for argument’s sake, say 50 - how does an annual figure of 950 murders for a population of 8,283,000 compare with other Caribbean nations?

The first comparison must be with the neighboring Dominican Republic, a country with a slightly larger population of almost nine million that, while not regarded as a haven of tranquillity, does at least have a reputation for safety, as evidenced by the millions of foreign tourists who visit each year.

Surprisingly, whereas Haiti - generally perceived as one of the world’s most dangerous trouble spots - has a 2005 murder rate of approximately 11.5 per 100,000 inhabitants, in the Dominican Republic, where there were 2,403 violent deaths in 2005, the murder rate is 26.7 per 100,000 inhabitants.

Across the Caribbean region, authorities are struggling to cope with a growing problem of violent crime. Guyana, the former British colony on the north coast of the South American land mass with a population of just 765,000, recorded over 120 violent deaths in 2005 - a murder rate of 15.7.

Trinidad and Tobago, the oil and gas-rich twin island state in the south-east Caribbean has an even worse rate. The 384 murders committed in 2005 among a population of just under 1.1 million gives a murder rate of 35.7 - three times that in Haiti.

The difference is even more extreme when comparison is made with Jamaica. The Caribbean island with a population of 2,732,000 holds the unenviable distinction of having displaced Colombia and South Africa to become the world’s most murderous country in 2005. A record number of 1,669 murders were committed during the year, giving a murder rate of 62 per 100,000 inhabitants.

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http://www.alterpresse.org/spip.php?article4074

[bee_bop]

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Jah Yout said:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The Caribbean island with a population of 2,732,000 holds the unenviable distinction of having displaced Colombia and South Africa to become the world’s most murderous country in 2005. A record number of 1,669 murders were committed during the year, giving a murder rate of 62 per 100,000 inhabitants. </div></div>

Littleman says:

<span style="color: #660000">I wonder what the present murder rate is? Spanish Town had about 300 murders alone, during the reign of Bulbie the Bloody, now that the violence there has cooled down, and the police have weakened some of the major gangs, things should be a lot better than 62 per 100,000 inhabitants.</span>

[RichD]

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there were 1574 murders last year

so that would put the rate at about 58/100,000

[mangoskin]

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in the Carmicheal area of New Providence (island Nassau is on) they had the latest immigration raid around 4 a.m. and took the haitians to the detention centre.

it's a financial drain not only the feeding and deportations, but because the bahamas has free schooling and free healthcare for children,

they breed like crazy, they're mostly illiterate and hygenically challenged..

sorry this isn't politically correct,

however, in their favour, they are family oriented, and look after their children, it is said they look after their g/f's kids even if they arent theirs, they will take undesirable jobs and are reliable..

[Blackstar*]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mangoskin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">in the Carmicheal area of New Providence (island Nassau is on) they had the latest immigration raid around 4 a.m. and took the haitians to the detention centre.

it's a financial drain not only the feeding and deportations, but because the bahamas has free schooling and free healthcare for children,

<span style="color: #FF0000">they breed like crazy, they're mostly illiterate and hygenically challenged..</span>

sorry this isn't politically correct,

however, in their favour, they are family oriented, and look after their children, it is said they look after their g/f's kids even if they arent theirs, they will take undesirable jobs and are reliable..
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Damn, this hurt my feelings. White people have been known to say the same about black people. <span style='font-size: 8pt'>Not having a go at you or anything; just giving my gut reaction to your post.</span>

All that aside, what is CARICOM doing to help out our troubled brethren in Haiti? I realize JA isn't rich, but what about those other islands like Barbados, T&T, and so on?

[evanovitch]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mangoskin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">in the Carmicheal area of New Providence (island Nassau is on) they had the latest immigration raid around 4 a.m. and took the haitians to the detention centre.

it's a financial drain not only the feeding and deportations, but because the bahamas has free schooling and free healthcare for children,

they breed like crazy, they're mostly illiterate and hygenically challenged..

sorry this isn't politically correct,

however, in their favour, they are family oriented, and look after their children, it is said they look after their g/f's kids even if they arent theirs, they will take undesirable jobs and are reliable..

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[bee_bop]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">there were 1574 murders last year

so that would put the rate at about 58/100,000 </div></div>

Littleman says:
<span style="color: #660000">See I was correct...there was a reduction in the murder rate!!!</span> <span style='font-size: 8pt'>
Granted that it was just a 4 point difference !!!</span>

I would imagine that Barbados, Trinidad and Tobago would be overwhelmed by the mere size of Haiti's population, and its land area. If you were to include Haiti's population in the calculation for GNP/GDP of these CARICOM countries, they would be reduced to pauper states...which is why I said (in another posting) that <span style='font-size: 14pt'><span style="color: #660000">the inclusion of Haiti in CARICOM has doomed it to failure</span></span>, unfortunate to say...the intentions were good though !!!
If the bigger neighbours to the North, thought it worth their while, they could make a difference...however, I don't think the U.S. sees Haiti as a worthwhile cause, they would rather reduce it to ashes, if they could...
Ironically, I've heard that Canada's Governor-General is of Haitian birth...correct me if I lie...if this is so, she should want to offer some assistance...

[RichD]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Littleman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">there were 1574 murders last year

so that would put the rate at about 58/100,000 </div></div>

Littleman says:
<span style="color: #660000">See I was correct...there was a reduction in the murder rate!!!</span> <span style='font-size: 8pt'>
Granted that it was just a 4 point difference !!!</span> </div></div>

the 2006 number was 1355 a 20% decrease from the 2005 number so last years number was actually a 16 % increase over the previous year.

[bee_bop]

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I heard right (I haven't lied), the Canadian Governor-General, Her Excellency the Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean C.C., C.M.M., C.O.M., C.D., Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada...
<span style="color: #660000">whew I would be out of breath trying to read out those titles, plus the pronunciation of her name</span>
According to her biography, she was born in Port au Prince, Haiti, and sought refuge in Canada in 1968, with her family, when she was a young child.

http://www.gg.ca/gg/bio/index_e.asp

I am sure a lot of jamaicans wouldn't mind her becoming Governor-General of Jamaica !!! [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70409-waytogo.gif[/img]