Will Toyota defense free this man?

[Nanook]

A man convicted of vehicular homicide after a 2006 crash involving his Toyota Camry killed a family of three may have a shot at freedom in the wake of the automaker's recent safety troubles.

The convict, 32-year-old Koua Fong Lee, a Laotian refugee, is serving an eight-year prison sentence in Minnesota. Lee has maintained all along that "it was the car" -- not his reckless driving -- that caused the fatal crash.

To his point, at the time he was returning from church with his pregnant wife, daughter, brother and father all in the car when the accident happened. Regardless, a jury convicted him.

Story here

I feel terrible for this guy. He was not drinking and driving, nonetheless he has been handed a swift serious jail time.

[H_O]

Re: Will Toyota defense free this man?

they should build special prisons for people who buy Toyotas or other jap crap foreign made junk

[Emperah]

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naah man they should put dem troo all de same treatment de big 3 did a get back in de day.
Now we a see big tory come tuh light bout how toyota mek deals wid ppl fi nuh put out de recall etc.
Like how toyota knew bout dese tings all de while an now dat it ha nuttin fi duh wid any fu-fool mats ar de pedel but a de electronics inna de sytem.

Dem fi fry cah JAH kno if it was an amerikkkan company ppl wouldan bawl fi murdah by now.

[Dr.Dudd]

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You see what i was saying about keeping the car in the garage??

I mean my wife was mad with me, for insisting on parking it.

Now she is so happy, that I was so 'paranoid'.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">naah man they should put dem troo all de same treatment de big 3 did a get back in de day.
Now we a see big tory come tuh light bout how toyota mek deals wid ppl fi nuh put out de recall etc.
Like how toyota knew bout dese tings all de while an now dat it ha nuttin fi duh wid any fu-fool mats ar de pedel but a de electronics inna de sytem.

Dem fi fry cah JAH kno if it was an amerikkkan company ppl wouldan bawl fi murdah by now. </div></div>

[Dr.Dudd]

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I think they should lock people who write such crap in their water closets.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H_O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">they should build special prisons for people who buy Toyotas or other jap crap foreign made junk
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[RichD]

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so how logn you keeping it parked? or you got rid of it?

[Emperah]

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It is a problem with their on board electronics could be cheap capacitors on circuit boards or programming. I always thought it was a speed censor. It bess fi keep it pawk until Toyota come wid de real fix, but dem won't tell yuh seh a dat, dem will jus come an tell yuh seh dem a duh software enhancement ar sittin else.

[Dr.Dudd]

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I think that under certain circumstances, the accelerator is activating the cruise control,with the advance speed mode.

So unless you instinctively decide to switch off the cruise control you can't shut it down.
Since the brakes don't work when the cruise control is in the advance mode.
That is teh button that you use to increase the speed by 1 mph per hit. . M

The car i was referring to is brand new and sold to my wife . It is one of the new HS250.
It is still in the garage, until they send the request to update it.
And it will be going on the back of the tow truck. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is a problem with their on board electronics could be cheap capacitors on circuit boards or programming. I always thought it was a speed censor. It bess fi keep it pawk until Toyota come wid de real fix, but dem won't tell yuh seh a dat, dem will jus come an tell yuh seh dem a duh software enhancement ar sittin else. </div></div>

[RichD]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Since the brakes don't work when the cruise control is in the advance mode.
</div></div> explain that a bit more? the brakes are electronically disabled?

[Emperah]

Re: Will Toyota defense free this man?

if dat is de case den dat prove seh de mats an ting a pure smoke screen.
Dudd why yuh nuh report dis to dem congress ppl?

[Dr.Dudd]

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The brakes are actually controlled by the computer that controls the ABS and brake equalizer functions..As a matter of fact just about everything the cars does is controlled by the computer today .
Include the control of circuits when a bulb is burnt our.
Yes it actually cut power to the circuits when headlight bulbs are burnt out.
Just as it dopes to just about every other function.
That is why you are always instructed to remove the negative ground prior to changing just about anything.

Reason is that every time the negative ground is interrupted, the computer do a status check of all the circuits in the vehicle.
The computer does not shut the brake off. it simply stops the wheels from coming to a skid. So if the engine is still in power and the2 wheels are turning, the ABS will not allow the other 2 wheels to lock up and cause skidding. It will only allow the unpowered wheels to turn at the same speed of the powered one. That is the function of the ABS system. It regulate the speed of all wheels and eliminate wheel lockup so as to avoid skidding and loss of control.

Anyway, the advance mode is the mode at which you can have the vehicle increase it speed incrementally during cruise control process.
it can increase in increment sof 1MPH, but in certain mode it can actually increase those increments really fast,and go to the maximum in no time.
Unless the driver realize that the cruise control is activated, he will try to use other methods in futility to slow the vehicle.
They may have to deactivate the cruise control on all these vehicles until they get the software fix. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Since the brakes don't work when the cruise control is in the advance mode.
</div></div> explain that a bit more? the brakes are electronically disabled? </div></div>

[Dr.Dudd]

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I think some in congress already know this.

It is a matter of not wanting to create further damage to teh company, or something like that. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dahJahPawtTwo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if dat is de case den dat prove seh de mats an ting a pure smoke screen.
Dudd why yuh nuh report dis to dem congress ppl? </div></div>

[RichD]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The brakes are actually controlled by the computer that controls the ABS and brake equalizer functions..As a matter of fact just about everything the cars does is controlled by the computer today .
Include the control of circuits when a bulb is burnt our.
Yes it actually cut power to the circuits when headlight bulbs are burnt out.
Just as it dopes to just about every other function.
That is why you are always instructed to remove the negative ground prior to changing just about anything.

Reason is that every time the negative ground is interrupted, the computer do a status check of all the circuits in the vehicle.
The computer does not shut the brake off. it simply stops the wheels from coming to a skid. <span style="font-weight: bold">So if the engine is still in power and the2 wheels are turning, the ABS will not allow the other 2 wheels to lock up and cause skidding. It will only allow the unpowered wheels to turn at the same speed of the powered one. </span>That is the function of the ABS system. It regulate the speed of all wheels and eliminate wheel lockup so as to avoid skidding and loss of control.

Anyway, the advance mode is the mode at which you can have the vehicle increase it speed incrementally during cruise control process.
it can increase in increment sof 1MPH, but in certain mode it can actually increase those increments really fast,and go to the maximum in no time.
Unless the driver realize that the cruise control is activated, he will try to use other methods in futility to slow the vehicle.
They may have to deactivate the cruise control on all these vehicles until they get the software fix. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Since the brakes don't work when the cruise control is in the advance mode.
</div></div> explain that a bit more? the brakes are electronically disabled? </div></div> </div></div>

so if i apply my break while still applying power the brake will not engage?

[Dr.Dudd]

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It will engage, but the ABS will prevent it from coming to a full stop.
Since the ABS will only slow each empowered wheel to the speed of the powered ones.
And as long as the engine is able to turn the drive wheels the ABS will not be able to bring t to s complete stop.

If you can get it in neutral that is a different situation. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The brakes are actually controlled by the computer that controls the ABS and brake equalizer functions..As a matter of fact just about everything the cars does is controlled by the computer today .
Include the control of circuits when a bulb is burnt our.
Yes it actually cut power to the circuits when headlight bulbs are burnt out.
Just as it dopes to just about every other function.
That is why you are always instructed to remove the negative ground prior to changing just about anything.

Reason is that every time the negative ground is interrupted, the computer do a status check of all the circuits in the vehicle.
The computer does not shut the brake off. it simply stops the wheels from coming to a skid. <span style="font-weight: bold">So if the engine is still in power and the2 wheels are turning, the ABS will not allow the other 2 wheels to lock up and cause skidding. It will only allow the unpowered wheels to turn at the same speed of the powered one. </span>That is the function of the ABS system. It regulate the speed of all wheels and eliminate wheel lockup so as to avoid skidding and loss of control.

Anyway, the advance mode is the mode at which you can have the vehicle increase it speed incrementally during cruise control process.
it can increase in increment sof 1MPH, but in certain mode it can actually increase those increments really fast,and go to the maximum in no time.
Unless the driver realize that the cruise control is activated, he will try to use other methods in futility to slow the vehicle.
They may have to deactivate the cruise control on all these vehicles until they get the software fix. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Since the brakes don't work when the cruise control is in the advance mode.
</div></div> explain that a bit more? the brakes are electronically disabled? </div></div> </div></div>

so if i apply my break while still applying power the brake will not engage? </div></div>

[RichD]

Re: Will Toyota defense free this man?

i will have to test this later on