frighening pictures of Negril shoreline changes

**evanovitch** · 10-06-2010, 06:28 PM

so weh him a go get white sand from

Tourism minister eyeing sand mining as solution to Negril beach restoration

HORACE HINES Observer staff reporter

Wednesday, October 06, 2010

NEGRIL, Westmoreland — Following last week's devastation of the seven-mile strip of beach during the passage of Tropical Storm Nicole, Tourism Minister, Hon. Edmund Bartlett disclosed he will be seeking permisssion from Mining and Energy Minister, James Robertson for the mining of sand to take place as part of the beach restoration project.

"I will be speaking to my parliamentary colleague, Minister Robertson, as well as environmental state agencies in seeking permission and possibly securing a green light in getting sand mining done to help the owners and operators of properties in Negril to restore the beach," Bartlett promised. " During a tour of the area on Saturday, I saw first hand the effects of Tropical Storm "Nicole" and will be moving swiftly to ensure that any technical help that can be given to the stakeholders in order to have the beach in Negril restored, is given".

The tourism minister who, spoke to the media following a tour of the tourism resort town on Saturday, expressed that stakeholders in the area were in need of assistance in repairing the damage done to the beach.

Accompanied on tour by tourism director and chairman of the Jamaica Tourist Board (JTB) John Lynch, Bartlett was quick to note that "Negril remains open for business despite the effects the storm had on buildings, flora and fauna, and certainly the beach".

<span style="font-weight: bold">y tax dollas to be spent to fix private beaches...dont dem sell di land to dese hotels so dont di owna fi mek sure him still ha white sand beach fi him privately owned hotel property </span>

**Ja. Jewel** · 10-06-2010, 08:38 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Tourism minister eyeing sand mining as solution to Negril beach restoration

HORACE HINES Observer staff reporter

Wednesday, October 06, 2010

NEGRIL, Westmoreland — Following last week's devastation of the seven-mile strip of beach during the passage of Tropical Storm Nicole, Tourism Minister, Hon. Edmund Bartlett disclosed he will be seeking permisssion from Mining and Energy Minister, James Robertson for the mining of sand to take place as part of the beach restoration project.

"I will be speaking to my parliamentary colleague, Minister Robertson, as well as environmental state agencies in seeking permission and possibly securing a green light in getting sand mining done to help the owners and operators of properties in Negril to restore the beach," Bartlett promised. " During a tour of the area on Saturday, I saw first hand the effects of Tropical Storm "Nicole" and will be moving swiftly to ensure that any technical help that can be given to the stakeholders in order to have the beach in Negril restored, is given".

The tourism minister who, spoke to the media following a tour of the tourism resort town on Saturday, expressed that stakeholders in the area were in need of assistance in repairing the damage done to the beach.

Accompanied on tour by tourism director and chairman of the Jamaica Tourist Board (JTB) John Lynch, Bartlett was quick to note that "Negril remains open for business despite the effects the storm had on buildings, flora and fauna, and certainly the beach".

Think the beach up to the high wata line is considered "public", so that is how the hotels get out of paying their due share of restoration.....I do think most of them do try to have employees clean their beach area, however, because of the seaweed smell & how it look trashy like.

<span style="font-weight: bold">y tax dollas to be spent to fix private beaches...dont dem sell di land to dese hotels so dont di owna fi mek sure him still ha white sand beach fi him privately owned hotel property </span> </div></div>

**Ja. Jewel** · 10-06-2010, 08:40 PM

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My quote nah copy right, so here it is:

Think the beach up to the high wata line is considered "public", so that is how the hotels get out of paying their due share of restoration.....I do think most of them do try to have employees clean their beach area, however, because of the seaweed smell & how it look trashy like.

**evanovitch** · 10-06-2010, 10:41 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ja. Jewel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My quote nah copy right, so here it is:

Think the beach up to the high wata line is considered "public", so that is how the hotels get out of paying their due share of restoration.....I do think most of them do try to have employees clean their beach area, however, because of the seaweed smell & how it look trashy like.
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so if from the beach to the high water, meaning up to u neck , is considered public , den how come private hotel build an di beach lock off fi so many

**Ja. Jewel** · 10-07-2010, 07:24 AM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ja. Jewel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My quote nah copy right, so here it is:

Think the beach up to the high wata line is considered "public", so that is how the hotels get out of paying their due share of restoration.....I do think most of them do try to have employees clean their beach area, however, because of the seaweed smell & how it look trashy like.
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so if from the beach to the high water, meaning up to u neck , is considered public , den how come private hotel build an di beach lock off fi so many </div></div>

Yes, that's VERY GOOD QUESTION!!

**evanovitch** · 10-07-2010, 12:51 PM

Re: so weh him a go get white sand from

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ja. Jewel</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ja. Jewel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My quote nah copy right, so here it is:

Think the beach up to the high wata line is considered "public", so that is how the hotels get out of paying their due share of restoration.....I do think most of them do try to have employees clean their beach area, however, because of the seaweed smell & how it look trashy like.
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so if from the beach to the high water, meaning up to u neck , is considered public , den how come private hotel build an di beach lock off fi so many </div></div>

Yes, that's VERY GOOD QUESTION!! </div></div>

seet...mi mekking note of dis to add to a liss of ?s mi asking wen mi go yaad

**RichD** · 10-07-2010, 01:02 PM

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yuh can read the beach control act HERE

on superficial reading it look like the gov can give permits to lock off beaches.

**RichD** · 10-07-2010, 01:19 PM

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found this:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In Jamaica, licences issued under the Beach Control Act have given exclusive use of the foreshore and floor of the sea to some licensees, who have then been able to deny access to other users of the beach and sea in the licensed area. <span style="font-weight: bold">Although no new ‘exclusive licences’ are being issued, many of those granted are renewed yearly and remain legally in force (Blue, 2001)</span>. These are a cause of conflict, especially since <span style="font-weight: bold">there is a ]perception on the part of the public that they have a right to the foreshore, even through private lands</span>. In addition, many of the ‘better’ beaches are under private control (Gardener, 2001). A new beach policy has been prepared in Jamaica and is awaiting government endorsement. </div></div>

**Ja. Jewel** · 10-10-2010, 03:33 AM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">found this:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In Jamaica, licences issued under the Beach Control Act have given exclusive use of the foreshore and floor of the sea to some licensees, who have then been able to deny access to other users of the beach and sea in the licensed area. <span style="font-weight: bold">Although no new ‘exclusive licences’ are being issued, many of those granted are renewed yearly and remain legally in force (Blue, 2001)</span>. These are a cause of conflict, especially since <span style="font-weight: bold">there is a ]perception on the part of the public that they have a right to the foreshore, even through private lands</span>. In addition, many of the ‘better’ beaches are under private control (Gardener, 2001). A new beach policy has been prepared in Jamaica and is awaiting government endorsement. </div></div>
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What is the "foreshore" & floor of the sea???....does that mean that people can actually buy the "seafloor" in front of their property?????....if so, I was never aware of that? Is that a new law or what?....I was always under the impression that the area of the sea UP TO THE HIGH WATER LINE belonged to the public!....am I wrong?

**Dr.Dudd** · 10-10-2010, 09:11 AM

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Nothing is unusual.
These people are all amatures...playing scientists.

Don't they realize that with the turbulence caused by the waves as a result of the bad weather all that dead grass that is normally at the bottom of the ocean would be washed up on the beach?

How do they think many islands were formed?

What They need to do is to make fertiliser with stuff .
And temporarily resand the beach.
Then institute engeneering projects to reduce the erosion.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Dead seagrass piled up on the Negril shoreline this week.

JET concerned about Negril shoreline

Says ecosystem shows signs of dying

BY KARYL WALKER Online editor [email protected]

Wednesday, October 06, 2010

A massive pile up of dead seagrass along the Negril coastline in Westmoreland has promted the Jamaica Environment Trust (JET) to call for a relook at the area’s ecosystem.

“It (the death of the seagrass) would suggest to me that the seagrass ecosystem is unhealthy. Something is very wrong and it needs some study,” McCaulay told the Observer.

Meanwhile, the JET boss pointed to the continued development of the western resort town’s coastline as a potential source of the problem.

“It is being caused by badly planned and executed coastal development,” she said.

Negril, once famous for its pristine seven-mile white sand beaches with crystal blue water, is fast losing its unique beauty because of the degradation of the coastal environment, McCaulay insisted.

“The Negril marine ecosystem has long been in trouble and it is only going to get worse. It is partly due to land-based pollution from bad agricultural practices and tourism developments, which has disrupted the functions of the morass and (caused the) removal of mangroves and seagrass,” she noted.
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**rie** · 10-10-2010, 10:33 AM

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I agree the natural eco system has long been in jeparody.

I also believe BP oil spill has much to do with killing off the bottom of the eco system. Way to many dispersents used, more oil leaked than what they are claiming also.

So when a storm hits, we are going to see much more bottom being washed ashore.

**Magician** · 10-11-2010, 02:37 PM

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I doubt that an oil spill 1100 miles away with the landmass of Cuba in the way would have any impact on dead seaweed in Jamaican waters. However beach erosion is a serious problem and unless it's addressed it will affect the tourism sector.

**RichD** · 10-14-2010, 09:45 AM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ja. Jewel</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">found this:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In Jamaica, licences issued under the Beach Control Act have given exclusive use of the foreshore and floor of the sea to some licensees, who have then been able to deny access to other users of the beach and sea in the licensed area. <span style="font-weight: bold">Although no new ‘exclusive licences’ are being issued, many of those granted are renewed yearly and remain legally in force (Blue, 2001)</span>. These are a cause of conflict, especially since <span style="font-weight: bold">there is a ]perception on the part of the public that they have a right to the foreshore, even through private lands</span>. In addition, many of the ‘better’ beaches are under private control (Gardener, 2001). A new beach policy has been prepared in Jamaica and is awaiting government endorsement. </div></div>
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What is the "foreshore" & floor of the sea???....does that mean that people can actually buy the "seafloor" in front of their property?????....if so, I was never aware of that? Is that a new law or what?....I was always under the impression that the area of the sea UP TO THE HIGH WATER LINE belonged to the public!....am I wrong? </div></div>

according to the law the floor of the sea and the foreshore is vested in the crown (is public) here are the definitions:

"floor of the sea" means the soil and subsoil off the coasts
of the Island between low water mark and the outer
limits of the territorial sea of the Island and shall be
deemed to include the water column superadjacent to
the floor of the sea and the natural resources therein
and the Exclusive Economic Zone.
"foreshore" means that portion of land, adjacent to the sea,
that lies between the ordinary high and low water
marks, being alternately covered and uncovered as the
tide ebbs and flows;

but this is superceeded by the right of the crown to give exclusive permits for usage of this area....from what i can see this has been in place prior to independence.

**evanovitch** · 10-14-2010, 01:56 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ja. Jewel</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">found this:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In Jamaica, licences issued under the Beach Control Act have given exclusive use of the foreshore and floor of the sea to some licensees, who have then been able to deny access to other users of the beach and sea in the licensed area. <span style="font-weight: bold">Although no new ‘exclusive licences’ are being issued, many of those granted are renewed yearly and remain legally in force (Blue, 2001)</span>. These are a cause of conflict, especially since <span style="font-weight: bold">there is a ]perception on the part of the public that they have a right to the foreshore, even through private lands</span>. In addition, many of the ‘better’ beaches are under private control (Gardener, 2001). A new beach policy has been prepared in Jamaica and is awaiting government endorsement. </div></div>
</div></div>

What is the "foreshore" & floor of the sea???....does that mean that people can actually buy the "seafloor" in front of their property?????....if so, I was never aware of that? Is that a new law or what?....I was always under the impression that the area of the sea UP TO THE HIGH WATER LINE belonged to the public!....am I wrong? </div></div>

according to the law the floor of the sea and the foreshore is vested in the crown (is public) here are the definitions:

"floor of the sea" means the soil and subsoil off the coasts
of the Island between low water mark and the outer
limits of the territorial sea of the Island and shall be
deemed to include the water column superadjacent to
the floor of the sea and the natural resources therein
and the Exclusive Economic Zone.
"foreshore" means that portion of land, adjacent to the sea,
that lies between the ordinary high and low water
marks, being alternately covered and uncovered as the
tide ebbs and flows;

but this is superceeded by the right of the crown to give exclusive permits for usage of this area<span style="font-weight: bold">....from what i can see this has been in place prior to independence</span>. </div></div>

sums up Ja n wat ails it in a sentence

frighening pictures of Negril shoreline changes

frighening pictures of Negril shoreline changes

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